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mckara

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65. You Haven't Read the Frontier Thesis
Mon Sep 15, 2014, 08:48 PM
Sep 2014

Turner's Frontier Thesis changed the course of American history. Read it and you'll understand how the Frontier "purified" democracy and how its lessons affected American foreign policy for the next century. TR and Woodrow Wilson were in concurrence with Turner as were others. Did you ever wonder where JFK got the name for "The Last Frontier"?

As a historian, I try to analyze historical figures objectively. Roosevelt had his flaws, as did most of the ruling class in the late XIXth and early XXth century, if we judge individuals with XXIst century standards. Your criticism of TR has no context to the tenor of the times. We all know that Native Americans lost the battle for control of North American. Who ever said social Darwinism was a good thing? Its battles were fought around the world until concentration camps in Nazi Germany demonstrated its psychotic implications. Ideas come into favor and fade from memories as time exposes their flaws or their virtues gain timeless acceptance as part of human social evolution. Whether you think it was good or bad is irrelevant. It's part of the historical record. People believed in ideas that seemed rational in their eyes, not because they were good or bad people. Most of time they acted with the best intentions. In hindsight, we know the road to hell was paved with good intentions. C'est la vie and history!

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K&R N/T tiredtoo Sep 2014 #1
Saw the first episode...it was wonderful. I highly recommend everyone watch snappyturtle Sep 2014 #2
tonight should be great. FDR's life story big_dog Sep 2014 #64
I was surprised by how much of a self-promoter Teddy Roosevelt was. TwilightGardener Sep 2014 #3
Hadn't thought about that but you are very correct about McCain. jwirr Sep 2014 #6
That surprised me, too. He really understood PR and took it upon himself Arugula Latte Sep 2014 #13
Yeah, I came away feeling rather ... frazzled Sep 2014 #18
Speaking of unhinged, he shot a neighbor's dog because it barked at him. TwilightGardener Sep 2014 #28
Unhinged and narcissistic. JimDandy Sep 2014 #31
Zeitgeist mckara Sep 2014 #37
In other words ... frazzled Sep 2014 #44
Hardly mckara Sep 2014 #62
Cherry picking is fine... frazzled Sep 2014 #63
You Haven't Read the Frontier Thesis mckara Sep 2014 #65
Thanks for that perspective. n/t JimDandy Sep 2014 #61
My grandfather knew of him heaven05 Sep 2014 #22
I wasn't born then so they didn't change my life. upaloopa Sep 2014 #4
Yeah, they did change your life Cyrano Sep 2014 #7
... Arugula Latte Sep 2014 #14
In my 68 years I have read many books about upaloopa Sep 2014 #16
You did benefit from some of Teddy's actions. We have a National Parks system because of him and jwirr Sep 2014 #8
Also child labor laws LordGlenconner Sep 2014 #49
changed your life because of what you have now -- social security for one. oldandhappy Sep 2014 #11
Ever been to a National Park? Arugula Latte Sep 2014 #15
They literally defined the progressive movement AZ Progressive Sep 2014 #23
It was very worth watching last night. jwirr Sep 2014 #5
For those who didn't see it, Le Taz Hot Sep 2014 #9
And it's also on the Roku PBS channel if you have that. nt justiceischeap Sep 2014 #10
Oh good! tammywammy Sep 2014 #20
Thanks, I was only able to catch a few minutes of it on the tube. progressoid Sep 2014 #17
Each episode repeats many times during the week SoCalDem Sep 2014 #42
I agree -- worth watching. oldandhappy Sep 2014 #12
highly recommended pleinair Sep 2014 #19
You bet. Maybe, just maybe, some Republicans will Cyrano Sep 2014 #21
That's a hopeful thought pleinair Sep 2014 #32
will set my DVR. thanks for the reminder. mountain grammy Sep 2014 #24
Learned Teddy is the true leader of Imperialists in America SleeplessinSoCal Sep 2014 #25
He would be far too liberal for today's GOP LordGlenconner Sep 2014 #50
Thanks for the reminder. merrily Sep 2014 #26
The Roosevelts saved America, twice AZ Progressive Sep 2014 #27
Perhaps, just perhaps, "President" Bernie Sanders Cyrano Sep 2014 #29
Theodore had a reputation of being a corruption buster before he became president AZ Progressive Sep 2014 #30
Î learned Teddy was a whacked out war monger! B Calm Sep 2014 #33
Yes. However, don't miss the rest of it. Cyrano Sep 2014 #34
after loosing his son in WW1, teddy grew up a bit on war, but he certainly was an adrenalin junkie. pansypoo53219 Sep 2014 #35
Quote of the night skippy66 Sep 2014 #36
kick Phentex Sep 2014 #38
See? LiberalAndProud Sep 2014 #39
It got locked. But, I still Cyrano Sep 2014 #45
Check your trash can. LiberalAndProud Sep 2014 #47
You mean I searched all over the backwaters of DU for nothing? pinboy3niner Sep 2014 #51
I was looking and looking and could not find the Backwater Forum. LiberalAndProud Sep 2014 #52
Yaaa. It was in my trash can Cyrano Sep 2014 #53
k&r TDale313 Sep 2014 #40
... LiberalAndProud Sep 2014 #41
Found it. Watched Part 1 which was very interesting. Teddy appears to have been a bit complex and sabrina 1 Sep 2014 #43
What the hell is this thread doing in this backwater forum!?!?!?!?! cbayer Sep 2014 #46
It was very good ProudToBeBlueInRhody Sep 2014 #48
K & R. n/t FSogol Sep 2014 #54
Can you see me now? LiberalAndProud Sep 2014 #55
You bet. And you're beautiful. Cyrano Sep 2014 #56
k/r Dawson Leery Sep 2014 #57
And be sure to tell all to Cyrano Sep 2014 #58
I enjoyed 'The Roosevelts'... Stellar Sep 2014 #59
Rec it to everyone you know Cyrano Sep 2014 #60
saw part of it Liberal_in_LA Sep 2014 #66
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