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140. There were people who talked to TMZ. However, the cops showed up and put on the cuffs

Reply to LisaL (Reply #116)

Tue Sep 16, 2014, 08:49 AM

Sep 2014

without talking to any witnesses.

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In my opinion, it changes the narrative if Daniele Watts and Brian Lucas were engaged in sex [View all] cali Sep 2014 OP

She'd have been cuffed for something different if that was the case. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Sep 2014 #1

He gave them his ID. She refused. The cop gave her more than one opportunity cali Sep 2014 #3

How does giving ID show that he wasn't engaged in sex in public? Erich Bloodaxe BSN Sep 2014 #4

it doesn't demonstrate that. My only point is that he had the legal right to ask for ID cali Sep 2014 #7

Nope. jeff47 Sep 2014 #31

True...ID or none if they we're having sex in public the id.... uponit7771 Sep 2014 #14

I think often a cop asks for an ID to simply see the individual's reaction. randome Sep 2014 #17

He assumed she was a prostitute TexasMommaWithAHat Sep 2014 #32

If he assumed anything, he never told her. LisaL Sep 2014 #87

Well, he did TexasMommaWithAHat Sep 2014 #173

Cop was trying to ID her since she refused to provide an ID. LisaL Sep 2014 #176

He must have thought she could be a prostitute TexasMommaWithAHat Sep 2014 #181

if she is a prostitute hfojvt Sep 2014 #52

That was my read on it. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Sep 2014 #56

But she wasn't arrested for that. She was arrested for not giving her ID, pnwmom Sep 2014 #95

She was not arrested. She was detained. LisaL Sep 2014 #107

But this all hinges on reasonable suspicion. Should they have had any reasonable suspicion, pnwmom Sep 2014 #108

Per police, there was a 911 call about lewd acts being committed in the car. LisaL Sep 2014 #110

There is no law against making out, and no reasonable suspicion to me pnwmom Sep 2014 #118

What action did police took other than asking her for an ID? LisaL Sep 2014 #119

They detained her. They put her in handcuffs. And it would have been more reasonable pnwmom Sep 2014 #121

This message was self-deleted by its author LisaL Sep 2014 #123

The police did detain her (or arrest her -- that's unclear) on suspicion of prostitution. pnwmom Sep 2014 #124

It appears to be a poorly written article. LisaL Sep 2014 #129

I agree. But the bottom line to me is that the police didn't find any sign of a crime. pnwmom Sep 2014 #130

So police can only arrest/detain someone if they personally see a crime? LisaL Sep 2014 #131

If the crime consists of a DISPLAY, then yes, the police should SEE it. pnwmom Sep 2014 #134

so some flasher in the park shouldn't be bothered because the police didn't see that DISPLAY cali Sep 2014 #143

Either the cop has to see it, or a witness has to be with the cop saying "That's him, officer". jeff47 Sep 2014 #162

How do you know what witness said or didn't say? LisaL Sep 2014 #171

There were no witnesses present in the video of the arrest. jeff47 Sep 2014 #198

And Watts and Lucas weren't arrested. cali Sep 2014 #185

Actually, she was jeff47 Sep 2014 #197

YES. n/t pnwmom Sep 2014 #191

Ludicrous, isn't it? LisaL Sep 2014 #170

But that's different. It's appropriate to ask other people in the park if they've seen something, pnwmom Sep 2014 #192

Not if their only evidence was a phoned-in tip, no. That would be a way to harass anyone pnwmom Sep 2014 #190

A witness would... tonedevil Sep 2014 #208

Audio available here: KurtNYC Sep 2014 #64

All of which is fine, but... Erich Bloodaxe BSN Sep 2014 #66

Did not "stand." She tried to walk away. That will get you cuffed no matter who you are. KurtNYC Sep 2014 #73

One more time: she was not cuffed for indecent exposure or lewd acts cali Sep 2014 #90

A telephone call is not probable cause. jeff47 Sep 2014 #164

yes it is. the caller described the couple and the attire they were wearing. cali Sep 2014 #186

And I bet I could find several identical couples in LA. jeff47 Sep 2014 #199

Per the police, witness gave a license plate number. LisaL Sep 2014 #221

UGH. The 911 callers = snitches. nt alp227 Sep 2014 #125

Snitches? TexasMommaWithAHat Sep 2014 #174

Good for them. kiva Sep 2014 #215

"pubic" sex? cwydro Sep 2014 #217

A typo, kiva Sep 2014 #220

Not in America ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2014 #80

Evidence seems to indicate that is not the case here. joeglow3 Sep 2014 #149

Ahhh, evidence! ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2014 #158

I don't disagree with that joeglow3 Sep 2014 #178

I have to admit it changes the way I look at the story. hughee99 Sep 2014 #2

You know, I heard about crying after sex snooper2 Sep 2014 #5

Your concern is noted, however... Cali_Democrat Sep 2014 #6

yeah, yeah. why not just have some guts and call me a racist. cali Sep 2014 #13

I said that I have no idea what happened Cali_Democrat Sep 2014 #29

You claimed the witnesses were "most likely white" joeglow3 Sep 2014 #150

Why are the witnesses most likely white? NCTraveler Sep 2014 #201

I grew up in a diverse area with a good amount of whites, blacks asians etc... Cali_Democrat Sep 2014 #204

You summed it up nicely in your last two sentences. NCTraveler Sep 2014 #212

Your hypotheticals are interesting Cali_Democrat Sep 2014 #213

Hey Daniele Watts, Good luck ever getting another job in the industry. NEXT! n/t 951-Riverside Sep 2014 #8

Didn't get enough victim-blaming in yet? nt geek tragedy Sep 2014 #12

She is not a victim Egnever Sep 2014 #83

+1 TexasMommaWithAHat Sep 2014 #175

What is this, 1950? progressoid Sep 2014 #92

If this were Joe and Beverly Schmoe saying it was racism, joeybee12 Sep 2014 #9

to some a white person kissing a black person is lewd... uponit7771 Sep 2014 #10

what lack of specifics? Witnesses claimed they were having sex in the passenger seat of their car. cali Sep 2014 #15

Witness could be dead wrong, cops should check first and the question of why they weren't uponit7771 Sep 2014 #43

What is it that you expect cop to check? LisaL Sep 2014 #72

How do they check? joeglow3 Sep 2014 #151

No, because the school personnel are complaining witnesses. jeff47 Sep 2014 #165

I disagree. geek tragedy Sep 2014 #11

He was asked to produce ID and immediately complied. cali Sep 2014 #16

She was not free to leave. Thus she was arrested. jeff47 Sep 2014 #21

No, no...the new term for it now is 'detained'. Rex Sep 2014 #65

Unfortunately for the officers, it's still legally an arrest no matter what they call it (nt) jeff47 Sep 2014 #99

"Just do what we say and there won't be any trouble" 951-Riverside Sep 2014 #25

Oh my! In_The_Wind Sep 2014 #138

They had intent to arrest--they figured she was a street prostitute geek tragedy Sep 2014 #26

Have you listened to the tape? kiva Sep 2014 #62

Exactly. LisaL Sep 2014 #86

Cops make an assessment on the spur of the moment sometimes. randome Sep 2014 #18

So, cops get to ignore the law when they are a tad suspicious? jeff47 Sep 2014 #23

When they arrive on the scene, what are they supposed to do? Nothing? randome Sep 2014 #28

Yes, nothing. Look around, see no evidence of a crime, move on. geek tragedy Sep 2014 #33

Did you listen to the recordings? WillowTree Sep 2014 #166

Legally, they were entitled to say "Hi, what's up?" jeff47 Sep 2014 #35

Agree with everything you said. But you're "simply" stating facts. randome Sep 2014 #36

Breaking the law is a lot more problematic for police jeff47 Sep 2014 #40

I hope the cops who are now in "deep shit for false arrest" are punished for it. They violated the Louisiana1976 Sep 2014 #53

No, they didn't. LisaL Sep 2014 #106

Legit call? geek tragedy Sep 2014 #24

Were there other cars around? Maybe they had reason to think the call related to these two. randome Sep 2014 #27

Even so, no crime in progress/in evidence. geek tragedy Sep 2014 #30

I think the cops were not smart. randome Sep 2014 #34

Having never been racially profiled by cops, geek tragedy Sep 2014 #37

I hear that. randome Sep 2014 #38

so you still haven't listened to the audio I take it snooper2 Sep 2014 #182

I take it you haven't listed to the audio snooper2 Sep 2014 #20

Then sell it to TMZ for big $$$. LisaL Sep 2014 #69

And they didn't arrest/cite him because...........? jeff47 Sep 2014 #19

Because 95% of cops aren't going to arrest a married straight couple for screwing around in a car ProudToBeBlueInRhody Sep 2014 #57

As far as I can tell, they aren't actually married. LisaL Sep 2014 #68

I've heard all sorts of different reports as to what the relationship is ProudToBeBlueInRhody Sep 2014 #75

Cop was going to let her go after she showed her ID. Which he told her repeatedly. LisaL Sep 2014 #84

How dare she expect the cop to follow the law. jeff47 Sep 2014 #100

Police did follow the law. LisaL Sep 2014 #104

Nope. jeff47 Sep 2014 #112

Per TMZ, there were witnesses. LisaL Sep 2014 #116

There were people who talked to TMZ. However, the cops showed up and put on the cuffs jeff47 Sep 2014 #140

Utterly wrong. jeff47 Sep 2014 #102

We've already been through ProudToBeBlueInRhody Sep 2014 #109

The cop had no complaining witness, and did not see the lewd acts himself. jeff47 Sep 2014 #113

You're writing that with a straight face? ProudToBeBlueInRhody Sep 2014 #115

Yes, seriously. jeff47 Sep 2014 #141

You think that is what a police state is like? joeglow3 Sep 2014 #152

Demanding people carry ID at all times and show it to the police on demand jeff47 Sep 2014 #154

What if police are called to a school because of a creepy man in a trenchcoat flashing kids? joeglow3 Sep 2014 #177

CA law allows cops to check idea if they have probable cause cali Sep 2014 #145

No, the phone calls do not. The calls do not identify the suspect. jeff47 Sep 2014 #147

Did we hear the 911 calls or just speculating? ksoze Sep 2014 #148

Because ID the type of car, color, etc isn't enough. jeff47 Sep 2014 #153

A description that matches car & suspects is detainable ksoze Sep 2014 #157

Again, description of the car is not reasonable suspicion. jeff47 Sep 2014 #160

We disagree on what is reasonable suspicion ksoze Sep 2014 #167

And since they need an arrest to demand ID..... jeff47 Sep 2014 #169

Incorrect again ksoze Sep 2014 #172

Which is called "arrest". jeff47 Sep 2014 #203

No, it's actually not - there is a difference legally ksoze Sep 2014 #205

If you are not free to leave, you are under arrest. Doesn't matter if people call it "detention". jeff47 Sep 2014 #206

In your mind yes, legally there is a difference ksoze Sep 2014 #207

What reasonable suspicion? tonedevil Sep 2014 #210

Legally there is a definition ksoze Sep 2014 #211

911, Operator, yes, There is a late model blue civic with a black spoiler on 47th and Elm Street snooper2 Sep 2014 #183

Again, not sufficient. jeff47 Sep 2014 #202

Per the police, witness gave them a license plate number. LisaL Sep 2014 #222

He was cooperative. They asked him for ID, he gave it to them. LisaL Sep 2014 #70

Doesn't matter that she refused. CA law does not allow the cops to ask for ID. jeff47 Sep 2014 #103

That's not true. LisaL Sep 2014 #105

He would have to have evidence that she was the suspect jeff47 Sep 2014 #114

Where exactly did you get this idea? LisaL Sep 2014 #117

There were people who talked to TMZ. There were no witnesses talking to the cop. (nt) jeff47 Sep 2014 #139

And one is allowed to refuse in CA. Gormy Cuss Sep 2014 #195

Disagree. If they were engaging in sex in public / people were seeing the show, IdaBriggs Sep 2014 #22

I sure agree with you...Sometimes I hear a person scoff at a young couple hugging Tikki Sep 2014 #39

"Where you dancing the dance of the seven veils while chanting odes to the Dark Lord when you were s logosoco Sep 2014 #77

Thank you - I am kicking myself for using "where" instead of "were" -- IdaBriggs Sep 2014 #81

My problems with this are varied The Traveler Sep 2014 #41

And they will continue to do this until we fight back Generic Other Sep 2014 #82

I have to say The Traveler Sep 2014 #135

Pile on? kcr Sep 2014 #42

Before I heard the audio I had read that kiva Sep 2014 #44

If they were having sex why weren't they arrested for doing so? Kissin a black person is lewd to som uponit7771 Sep 2014 #45

By no definition I've ever heard is making out the same as having sex kcr Sep 2014 #46

And saying that the police kiva Sep 2014 #48

No. It is not an overreaction. kcr Sep 2014 #49

Why? kiva Sep 2014 #61

Racism does happen to individuals kcr Sep 2014 #76

I have a hard time believing kiva Sep 2014 #78

And I have no problem believing it kcr Sep 2014 #96

"but they aren't entitled to facts" kiva Sep 2014 #97

You should heed your own advice. joeglow3 Sep 2014 #155

What advice would that be? n/t kcr Sep 2014 #200

Look at the facts BEFORE coming to a conclusion. joeglow3 Sep 2014 #214

Someone upset by interracial relationships and PDA could have called in this report. kwassa Sep 2014 #50

No proof they were having sex. trumad Sep 2014 #47

The witnesses said they were having sex Evergreen Emerald Sep 2014 #54

And if the cops don't witness the actual act NickB79 Sep 2014 #60

Not true. They can investigate. If police could only investigate crimes they witnessed Evergreen Emerald Sep 2014 #63

Yes, they can investigate NickB79 Sep 2014 #93

They can investigate and ask for ID and send them on their way ProudToBeBlueInRhody Sep 2014 #111

If you report someone threatened to kill you and then left the scene.. Mercy_Queen Sep 2014 #71

It is legal for them to talk to the couple, and ask them to move along. jeff47 Sep 2014 #168

Your understand of the CA requirement is simply incorrect. Mercy_Queen Sep 2014 #196

Eyewitness testimony is among the least reliable evidence. stevenleser Sep 2014 #122

In their interview on CNN they sure didn't deny it n/t cali Sep 2014 #146

Given that nowdays almost everything is videotaped, it LisaL Sep 2014 #67

When I was young, "making out" just meant good old fashioned "necking," NOT sexual intercourse. nt tblue37 Sep 2014 #51

This whole case is why most cops would prefer to take a nap behind the Sav-A-Lot ProudToBeBlueInRhody Sep 2014 #55

Never call the cops about trivial things. Never. hunter Sep 2014 #58

I completely agree. cali Sep 2014 #74

what is trivial is in the eye of beholder KT2000 Sep 2014 #127

I don't know if it's my teaching experience or if I'm turning into a grumpy old man yelling... hunter Sep 2014 #180

If that's the case, yes, it would change my view quite a bit. NaturalHigh Sep 2014 #59

I think the cops make on the spot decisions gwheezie Sep 2014 #79

they were having..... SEX???????? Warren DeMontague Sep 2014 #85

Just to clarify the law on this: Vattel Sep 2014 #88

Per law, cop didn't do anything wrong here. LisaL Sep 2014 #89

That seems to be the case. Not that I like the way the 4th amendment has been interpreted. Vattel Sep 2014 #91

Sounds like she is getting the publicity whistler162 Sep 2014 #94

Someone asked "Why was the door left open" while they screwed? ProudToBeBlueInRhody Sep 2014 #120

I wonder if they will trace the 911 caller... whistler162 Sep 2014 #137

The cop was responding to a report. Calista241 Sep 2014 #98

Uh huh. And Michael Brown was charging, Trayvon Martin was stealing, yada yada ecstatic Sep 2014 #101

THREAD WINNER. Number23 Sep 2014 #219

Who in the hell are 'Daniele Watts and Brian Lucas'? Seriously, I recognized neither Purveyor Sep 2014 #126

I admit to re-thinking my stance on the police action. WinkyDink Sep 2014 #128

Lots of people defending the cops here. That is sad. BillZBubb Sep 2014 #132

Either you want the police to follow proper whistler162 Sep 2014 #136

first of all, there doesn't have to be a crime in progress for police to investigate cali Sep 2014 #142

Name Calling Crap .... Trajan Sep 2014 #156

lol. I can't help but laugh at you. cali Sep 2014 #209

The anti-police thing here is getting weird ksoze Sep 2014 #144

it got way past that years ago n/t TorchTheWitch Sep 2014 #161

Completely agree. That's what my other thread was about, by the way. closeupready Sep 2014 #133

When the cop stated that if she just produced her license it would have been over 15 minutes ago. dilby Sep 2014 #159

What is their definition of "sex"? tularetom Sep 2014 #163

old fashioned fucking. cali Sep 2014 #187

Maybe I'm old fashioned but I think it's disrespectful to ask a woman to have public sex with you. DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2014 #179

Maybe she initiated it. cali Sep 2014 #188

Why do you automatically think he asked her? n/t OnlinePoker Sep 2014 #193

Except that, to still far too many liberalhistorian Sep 2014 #184

except it wasn't. it was fucking. cali Sep 2014 #189

But we don't liberalhistorian Sep 2014 #216

they didn't deny it in the CNN interview cali Sep 2014 #218

Not denying something liberalhistorian Sep 2014 #223

no it doesn't TorchTheWitch Sep 2014 #194

Evidently, there are now photos and more details cali Sep 2014 #224

somewhat appropriate kick. agreed with your analysis from the beginning. maximillian1974 Sep 2014 #226

somewhat smug kick cali Sep 2014 #225

Well, it looks like the narrative has now been changed. NaturalHigh Sep 2014 #227