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107. Please stick to the argument

Tue Sep 16, 2014, 12:12 PM

Sep 2014

If my argument is asinine, then it should be easy to refute. Simply calling it stupid is an ineffective response.

I've never said children are property, and I certainly think otherwise. To think that removing a parenting method that as many as 90% of the parenting population uses would have zero impact on parenting is like thinking that removing air from tires would have no effect on drivers. Your statement is demonstrably incorrect.

It is a tactical error to call 75% of the parents in the U.S. lazy. It does little to advance the cause, and it is also inaccurate.

Regarding your "sure as shit" remark. I never said it was about the children. You said that, and that is the same argument that the Christo-fascists on the republican side use to place restrictions on women's reproductive rights.

My stance is that a government telling parents they cannot swat a kid's butt is an an unwelcome and unnecessary intrusion into people's private life and is an infringement of basic liberty.

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I know I'm whining, but I wish corporal punishment had been criminalized a few decades earlier. [View all] Coventina Sep 2014 OP

As a rule, I tend to think anything you do to a stranger Erich Bloodaxe BSN Sep 2014 #1

strongly seconded. very well stated. La Lioness Priyanka Sep 2014 #2

Very good point. Coventina Sep 2014 #3

+1 leftstreet Sep 2014 #4

That's why, as a rule, I don't change strangers' diapers Orrex Sep 2014 #5

Did you notice the part of my post that specified Erich Bloodaxe BSN Sep 2014 #6

I never asked my infants' consent to change their diapers Orrex Sep 2014 #8

Because you're already the legal guardian of your child AND Erich Bloodaxe BSN Sep 2014 #9

Everything you wrote there simply underscores my point Orrex Sep 2014 #15

But one isn't talking levels of degree when comparing hacking with murder kcr Sep 2014 #18

I change non-family adult's diapers often, yay for nurses who do what others won't. uppityperson Sep 2014 #16

Because consent has been obtained Orrex Sep 2014 #19

Yet you were the one to bring up changing strangers diapers. Why bring it up if the analogy is not uppityperson Sep 2014 #25

And the analogy was put forth in reply #1 Orrex Sep 2014 #35

A most excellent point with which I totally agree. hifiguy Sep 2014 #64

Basic parenting would be kidnapping, false imprisonment as to a stranger. So this test doesn't work. Romulox Sep 2014 #102

Please keep your opinions out of my family Android3.14 Sep 2014 #7

Sanctity? In which religion is that right enshrined? Erich Bloodaxe BSN Sep 2014 #10

That's just silly Android3.14 Sep 2014 #23

Once the child leaves the womb, it's another human being, Erich Bloodaxe BSN Sep 2014 #37

Sigh Android3.14 Sep 2014 #42

That's the way the law is worded. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Sep 2014 #45

I'm sure one can justify abusing authority in many ways Android3.14 Sep 2014 #56

I'm not implying anything. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Sep 2014 #57

Do you see that as an absolute right? kcr Sep 2014 #11

Here's a start Android3.14 Sep 2014 #33

Okay. But we aren't talking about one swat kcr Sep 2014 #63

The problem isn't where to put the line Android3.14 Sep 2014 #67

Your children. Aren't. Your. Personal. Property. kcr Sep 2014 #68

Just remember that attitude when they take your reproductive rights away Android3.14 Sep 2014 #71

I saw you making that false equivalency about abortion to someone else. It doesn't fly. kcr Sep 2014 #72

Please look up strawman argument Android3.14 Sep 2014 #75

There is no safe side. morningfog Sep 2014 #101

No actual argument? Android3.14 Sep 2014 #104

I have given you many detailed arguments, some of which you have morningfog Sep 2014 #105

Society has made it everyone's business treestar Sep 2014 #96

No argument there. Android3.14 Sep 2014 #108

You keep saying it is no one's business. treestar Sep 2014 #114

No, it's not. Abortion is a right you exercise over your own body. La Lioness Priyanka Sep 2014 #12

You don't have a right to assault anyone. Gormy Cuss Sep 2014 #13

Of course not Android3.14 Sep 2014 #27

Do you support female genital mutilation? do you support the right of parents to do that uppityperson Sep 2014 #36

Are you intentionally being obtuse? Android3.14 Sep 2014 #39

I guess your answer to that is not, and that all values are not to be respected, it is ok to force uppityperson Sep 2014 #44

Please refrain from posting here. morningfog Sep 2014 #85

If you don't like the debate, don't read Android3.14 Sep 2014 #91

Freedom means children not being hit by morningfog Sep 2014 #92

Why do 70-90 percent of US parents spank Android3.14 Sep 2014 #93

It will be forced on you treestar Sep 2014 #98

Your arguments do not make sense. morningfog Sep 2014 #100

Please stick to the argument Android3.14 Sep 2014 #107

Lol! I refuted it repeatedly. You're a lost cause. morningfog Sep 2014 #112

That question was uncomfortable? treestar Sep 2014 #97

Actually, no Android3.14 Sep 2014 #99

The two aren't related. Gormy Cuss Sep 2014 #69

That is some stupid logic. No, it isn't logic at all. morningfog Sep 2014 #84

Two totally different things - in fact gollygee Sep 2014 #95

there is no sacred right of choosing how to raise one's own family. cali Sep 2014 #14

Do you really believe there should be no laws addressing treatment of children, even ones own? uppityperson Sep 2014 #17

Odd interpretation Android3.14 Sep 2014 #28

Not odd at all. Look at what you wrote, and answer my question first. uppityperson Sep 2014 #32

Reasonable question Android3.14 Sep 2014 #38

It is a difficult topic because it combines desire to do right with our emotional childhood memories uppityperson Sep 2014 #43

I'd have approached at least one of those differently Android3.14 Sep 2014 #46

It was well before time outs were possible. I used time outs when child got to that age uppityperson Sep 2014 #55

I have friends Dorian Gray Sep 2014 #90

I told them I treat kids like other people, if I see you about to do something dangerous or uppityperson Sep 2014 #113

Here ya go, kid... pipi_k Sep 2014 #54

Why no, I never asked my kid that question Android3.14 Sep 2014 #62

In certain circumstances, yes. moriah Sep 2014 #65

I feel sorry for any children in your care-- niyad Sep 2014 #21

The feeling is mutual Android3.14 Sep 2014 #29

wow, saying I feel sorry for children in your care is disrespecting your rights? but you niyad Sep 2014 #73

Oh I'm sure that threw you back several yards Android3.14 Sep 2014 #76

not if I see you abusing them. and that goes any time I see a person abusing a child, or niyad Sep 2014 #77

Respectfully disagree. H2O Man Sep 2014 #40

Thank goodness it's your opinion Android3.14 Sep 2014 #49

I never encountered H2O Man Sep 2014 #59

^this AnalystInParadise Sep 2014 #78

Children already here are separate entities from their parents, they are not property. moriah Sep 2014 #58

I agree Android3.14 Sep 2014 #111

Society has every right to stop child abuse. Children are not the possessions of their parents, pnwmom Sep 2014 #80

No argument there Android3.14 Sep 2014 #110

You have no right to beat your kids. morningfog Sep 2014 #83

My judgement is not ignorant, it is based on personal experience. Coventina Sep 2014 #106

Again, people continue making errors of fact Android3.14 Sep 2014 #109

Then we have a disagreement that cannot be bridged. Coventina Sep 2014 #115

Well, apparently as many as 90% of parents have found the circumstances Android3.14 Sep 2014 #116

Do you have a link for this 90% statistic? Coventina Sep 2014 #117

Here Android3.14 Sep 2014 #118

70-90% of American parents. OK. Interesting that the article you cite makes the point that it's Coventina Sep 2014 #119

It's a natural way that mammals teach their offspring Android3.14 Sep 2014 #120

Hilarious! You cite an article to support your position that does nothing but debunk your position. Coventina Sep 2014 #122

You are misinterpreting what the article says and what I drew from it Android3.14 Sep 2014 #123

When a child Jamaal510 Sep 2014 #20

so you think it is okay to teach a child that it is okay for a larger, niyad Sep 2014 #22

Why must that be the lesson? Orrex Sep 2014 #30

nice try. I do feel sorry for any children in your care. niyad Sep 2014 #74

Why? Because I don't accept your assertions as fact? Orrex Sep 2014 #81

Let me get this right. newcriminal Sep 2014 #24

So it is ok to spank a baby? Is that what you are saying? uppityperson Sep 2014 #26

how young is "really" young? and how is time out, for instance "reasoning" with them cali Sep 2014 #31

So on a baby or toddler, what's your definition of a "spanking"? moriah Sep 2014 #61

You obviously don't understand developing brains. morningfog Sep 2014 #86

The brain of a baby or toddler laundry_queen Sep 2014 #87

We're gonna need a lot more jails. nt B2G Sep 2014 #34

I rarely spanked my kids B2G Sep 2014 #41

We had a door slammer, too. Easy fix: We took her bedroom door off the hinges Blaukraut Sep 2014 #48

But then I would have to listen to her music. lol. B2G Sep 2014 #50

LOL, good point! n/t Blaukraut Sep 2014 #51

Anyone hitting a kid is a piece of shit Union Scribe Sep 2014 #47

Corporal punishment is not illegal in Maryland. nt kelly1mm Sep 2014 #52

This is one of those things my family doesn't talk about but redstatebluegirl Sep 2014 #53

When I was in third grade we had it. Turbineguy Sep 2014 #60

If corporal punishment for child abuse RebelOne Sep 2014 #66

My mouth was washed out with soap, at age 6.... steve2470 Sep 2014 #70

Oh, Coventina, honestly, I don't think you're whining at all. Hardly! AverageJoe90 Sep 2014 #79

Says the guy who voted "none of the above." XemaSab Sep 2014 #89

I wouldnt call that whining. Warren DeMontague Sep 2014 #82

Cops can kill your kid for misbehaving. What would you do to keep that from happening? kickysnana Sep 2014 #88

Even if we criminalize corporal punishment... Sancho Sep 2014 #94

First of all: Wow! I had no idea this thread had over 100 replies! Coventina Sep 2014 #103

When was corporal punishment criminalized? TransitJohn Sep 2014 #121