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In reply to the discussion: In my opinion, it changes the narrative if Daniele Watts and Brian Lucas were engaged in sex [View all]TorchTheWitch
(11,065 posts)Someone called the police about a couple they claim was having sex in public and for some reason mentioned the races of the two people whether because they have an issue with a black person and a white person as a couple or in order to identify them so that police found the right two people when responding to the call. How the police then responded was fine and seen on video that one half of that couple took themselves.
The officer responded to the call because he HAS to. Doesn't matter if he personally thinks it's frivolous or not, and police respond to more ridiculous complaints all the damn time. Even if the couple was doing nothing at all and the caller was just a jerk with issues the police still have to respond and check out the situation in order to determine that. That's what this officer did, and he did it politely despite Watts talking over him, claiming he was being racist, refusing to cooperate by not showing her ID or otherwise identifying herself and trying to walk away while being detained. The officer has to respond and has to identify the people involved that were complained of in the call. By law he CAN ask for ID when there's been a complaint and the subjects detained. He's required to determine if the person detained is the person they claim to be, and if they don't make any claim as to who they are to determine who they are.
Watts acted like a jackass talking over the officer and refusing to show her ID or identify herself by some other means. She was handcuffed because she tried to leave while lawfully detained. Yes, it sucks if someone makes a complaint about you that's exaggerated or even a flat out lie. The police still have to detain the subjects of the complaint and figure out what the truth is if they can. He didn't assume she was a prostitute nor assume they were having sex. His issue was her refusal to show her ID while lawfully detained or otherwise prove who she was. The officer tried to explain this to her but she just yammered over him which he took with good grace. He asked questions of them both to ascertain what the situation was and found that there wasn't one or wasn't one that he had the ability to determine and said that if she had just identified herself he would have been gone some number of minutes ago. He asked if Watts was ok with the man she was with because officers have to find out the welfare of the woman in case they are being held against their will, and it's a damn good thing that they DO ask after the woman's welfare. If there weren't so many situations where men have accosted women on the street or held them against their will then this wouldn't be something that officers would do. They do it for the welfare of women, and nobody should have any problem with that.
The officer was polite and despite her venting her spleen at him and talking over him he took it on the chin. She was handcuffed because she tried to leave when she was lawfully detained. Once he found out who she was after her long tirade he let her go.
If they were having sex or not is immaterial. The officer couldn't ascertain that which is why he didn't arrest either of them for public lewdness. Any racism was on the part of whoever it was that called with the complaint if identifying their races was because of racism and not to identify the subjects of the complaint, and if they were behaving lewdly in public whether actually having sex or not had every right to call the police. Watts claims that someone confronted them for whatever they were doing and neither her nor her boyfriend denied they were behaving lewdly nor that they were having sex. All she's said is that her and her boyfriend laughed off the person's complaint. The boyfriend hasn't said anything about what they were doing. If they were having sex, well shame on them. Whatever they were doing was certainly enough for someone to complain to them personally as well as call the police. Maybe they had a legitimate complaint and maybe not. Doesn't matter since the officer couldn't determine that once he detained them and didn't arrest them for public lewdness which he likely would have done if he saw anything that showed that they were or he saw it himself. Either he just didn't see it by the time he got there or it just didn't happen. Doesn't make any difference at all to how he responded.
It was Watts that brought up racism to the police which the officer disputed as he never said anything to her or her boyfriend about race. She just decided on her own that they were being detained because of her being black. Whoever made the complaint call may have had a racist issue, but the officer clearly didn't since he never brought it up and she had no idea why she was being detained other than the officer telling her that they had a call complaining of her and her boyfriend engaging in public lewdness. That's it.
Whoopie. They both got their unknown names in the news. Probably all they were looking to get in the first place. Too bad their own video "evidence" shows them to be full of it. Whether or not they were actually having sex doesn't make a shit's bit of difference in how either of them were treated by the police or why. Even if they were doing nothing at all and the person who called to complain to the police was just totally full of it it makes no difference in how they were treated or why.
Watts was eventually handcuffed because she tried to leave while still detained. And at that point she still hadn't identified herself though not why she was handcuffed but why she was still detained.