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JDPriestly

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33. Have you read The Lost City by John Gunther?
Thu Apr 12, 2012, 03:57 PM
Apr 2012

It's about Austria on the evening of WWII.

Anti-semitism was a huge cause for the rise of Hitler but it was to a great extent related to the economic problems -- first inflation then bank failure then the shoring up of the job market through war and social programs.

Here is what I learned about it from talking to ordinary people in Germany and Austria. (I have to confess that I am very pro-tolerance and pro-Jewish for personal reasons, so I paid great attention to this.)

Germany and Austria like a lot of Europe became more tolerant about religion in the late 19th century. Evangelical Lutheran churches, at some point during that time were allowed to ring their church bells -- an act that had previously been forbidden.

Jews were allowed to attend at least some of the schools from which they had apparently been barred.

This is horrible to say, but what Germans and Austrians I met stated was that the Jews excelled in their classes making it hard for Germans and Austrians to compete.

Hitler is a good example, I was told, of an Austrian who really wasn't good enough to compete and who blamed his failures on the unwarranted successes of others he identified as Jews. So jealousy was a big factor with regard to anti-semitism on the personal level. Germans and Austrians were and still are to some extent addressed by the position they hold in terms of their career. So the wife of a man with a PhD is called Frau Doktor. That was weird to me, but that is the way it was. That may have changed since I was there. There is also Diplomkaufman ____, etc.

No doubt you are very familiar with the history of the role of the Jewish people, their ostracism, etc. prior to the late 19th century or so.

But, as we see in the US today, this kind of jealousy about the rise of minorities is most severe in economically difficult periods. When there are lots of jobs and opportunities, members of an erst-while dominant group, say a religious or racial majority do not perceive opportunities for other groups as a threat.

But when jobs are scarce and life is hard, when prices are rising all the while, religious and racial intolerance become expressions of the frustrations that are really due to economic problems. That is my view.

That is what we see in the US. Unless the availability of jobs and education improves for all Americans, we are in for a tough time in my view.

I know (and have a copy of) William Shirer's Rise and Fall of the Third Reich although I have not read all of it.

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The vast majority of the bonds were exchanged for a significant haircut. This is outdated info. dkf Apr 2012 #1
Outdated? By how much is it outdated? Did you read the full article? nt Sarah Ibarruri Apr 2012 #4
The swap has gone through with CDS's triggered. dkf Apr 2012 #7
This kind of economic conflict lead to WWII. It could happen again. JDPriestly Apr 2012 #13
This kind of economic conflict did NOT lead to WWII. British and French guarantees of coalition_unwilling Apr 2012 #14
Yes. This kind of economic depression and class differences lead to the rise of Hitler. JDPriestly Apr 2012 #27
I think you are confusing chronological proximity with coalition_unwilling Apr 2012 #28
Having lived in Germany and Austria and having discussed this JDPriestly Apr 2012 #29
I would never disparage social history and its various media (such as oral coalition_unwilling Apr 2012 #32
Have you read The Lost City by John Gunther? JDPriestly Apr 2012 #33
Have not read that specific work by Gunther. I have read some of his coalition_unwilling Apr 2012 #34
The new Standard Strategy of the 1% bongbong Apr 2012 #21
As for the Greek hair stylist... justice1 Apr 2012 #11
With no funds in govt, since they weren't collecting taxes as they ought to have been. nt Sarah Ibarruri Apr 2012 #20
So it's only hedge funds that are holding Greek debt? Sounds like baloney to me. badtoworse Apr 2012 #2
Higher sales taxes? I hope they cheat on that. Zalatix Apr 2012 #3
Greece has already collapsed. This is what an orderly collapse looks like. banned from Kos Apr 2012 #6
Greece is not the problem for the EU that they make it out to be... Sarah Ibarruri Apr 2012 #5
Read above...the debts are now mostly held by European taxpayers. dkf Apr 2012 #8
Yes and no. badtoworse Apr 2012 #9
The Problem Is The Solution DallasNE Apr 2012 #10
I'm the furthest thing from an economist the world has ever seen, however... Sarah Ibarruri Apr 2012 #25
The expectation of being repaid is an absolutely essential element of any lending arrangement. badtoworse Apr 2012 #26
Not really, Greek tax cheats are mostly the uber wealthy because they have political control. fasttense Apr 2012 #17
They may have a larger impact because they have more income badtoworse Apr 2012 #18
I completely agree. Greece has been a paradise for the mega-rich. nt Sarah Ibarruri Apr 2012 #22
Wasn't that the point of the CIA intervention and the Junta in '67? leveymg Apr 2012 #23
Same old story: the rich versus a true people's democracy, but, of course, Sarah Ibarruri Apr 2012 #24
Also, Greece can't be allowed to default kenny blankenship Apr 2012 #12
And if there's not enough thistle and roadkill, they can always fall coalition_unwilling Apr 2012 #15
Any debt that cannot be repaid will not be repaid, and that is a tsuki Apr 2012 #16
Apparently, Greece was collecting a minutiae in taxes, and that's the way the country was run - Sarah Ibarruri Apr 2012 #19
Greece's tax collections were not far out of line with the rest of the Eurozone. girl gone mad Apr 2012 #30
Could you post the chart? It was inadvertently left out. nt Sarah Ibarruri Apr 2012 #31
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