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1StrongBlackMan

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45. Yes ...

Thu Apr 12, 2012, 05:33 PM

Apr 2012

The initial statement(s) pose a problem; the calls, not so much ... they would have been made AFTER the confrontation had begum and wouldn't speak to the abandoned pursuit claim.

However, the strategy would be to argue that the intial statement was made while still under the immediate trauma after having shot and killed someone ... the subsequent statements were more complete because GZ had time to build the lie, er, fill out the blanks in his mind.

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Prosecutors' wording in affadavit screws Georgie's S.Y.G. pooch: "Zimmerman confronted Martin" [View all] Amerigo Vespucci Apr 2012 OP

Just As Important, Sir, Is Citing The Mother Identifying The Taped Screams As Those Of Her Dead Son The Magistrate Apr 2012 #1

Well ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2012 #24

Do You Have A Reliable Link On The Dad's Statement? DallasNE Apr 2012 #41

It's in one of the investigator's early reports. 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2012 #47

I think most juries would go with the mother, if it's a choice between the two. sabrina 1 Apr 2012 #52

Agreed ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2012 #59

Voice Identification Analysis says the screaming was NOT... SkyDaddy7 Apr 2012 #75

Or, the prosecutor could note that the father was in shock at the time, but when he listened sabrina 1 Apr 2012 #83

From what I read the father never said that, it was reported wrong. Quixote1818 Apr 2012 #68

I'm sure you are correct if only because magical thyme Apr 2012 #91

That's Why I Asked For A Reliable Link DallasNE Apr 2012 #124

"Objection, your honor! thucythucy Apr 2012 #42

No defense attorney would ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2012 #51

That is the dumbest thing I've heard... Blue_Roses Apr 2012 #79

Okay ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2012 #101

It seems to me the only way such an alleged conflict thucythucy Apr 2012 #112

It Will Be Done In Court, Sir, Under Oath, With Full Theatrical Trimmings The Magistrate Apr 2012 #46

True ... the question would be objected to ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2012 #55

now I know what is strong about you CatWoman Apr 2012 #48

I am not trying to offend ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2012 #60

Utter fail. Solomon Apr 2012 #65

Some people completely discredited Matirn's GF statement. shimonitanegi Apr 2012 #109

then why did you say Martin's parents "lawyered up" CreekDog Apr 2012 #128

I am ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2012 #130

That's a bit much, don't you think? randome Apr 2012 #61

I fully expected that kind of response ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2012 #67

No, you fully elicited that 'kind' of response. The Doctor. Apr 2012 #125

Doctor, Read through the thread again ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2012 #131

You were asked more than once to provide evidence The Doctor. Apr 2012 #132

why don't you mind your own business CatWoman Apr 2012 #78

CNN: Trayvon's father positive crying voice is his sons voice Quixote1818 Apr 2012 #73

thanks for the link CatWoman Apr 2012 #80

I have read the other account too but ONLY on right wing sites Quixote1818 Apr 2012 #81

And always invariably show up here CatWoman Apr 2012 #84

That is not how it happened, though SteveABG Apr 2012 #88

I stand corrected. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2012 #103

See my post above: thucythucy Apr 2012 #113

I think it was Zimmermanns father that claimed it was George's voice not Trayvon Martin's father. notadmblnd Apr 2012 #92

I wonder if this is the first time he has heard of the phone call with the girl Friend. RDANGELO Apr 2012 #2

There is a tape of the phone call with the girlfriend? Common Sense Party Apr 2012 #4

Yes. RDANGELO Apr 2012 #9

How was that tape made? The girlfriend recorded it? With what? Common Sense Party Apr 2012 #13

I do not recall a tape of that conversation ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2012 #26

That's my understanding as well. Common Sense Party Apr 2012 #27

What difference does it make? She's gotta testify Solomon Apr 2012 #77

Her testimony may be ruled hearsay. X_Digger Apr 2012 #85

Not if she was party to the conversation WolverineDG Apr 2012 #89

It's not hearsay. The girl is a witness plain and simple. Solomon Apr 2012 #98

Depends on what 'matter' is 'asserted', I suppose. X_Digger Apr 2012 #102

According to her earlier statements, she did not hear the gun shot. Common Sense Party Apr 2012 #119

IIRC, she heard a noise then nothing WolverineDG Apr 2012 #122

You both are correct ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2012 #104

no, there is no tape of the call. barbtries Apr 2012 #90

How does that "screw" anyone's "pooch"? That's the prosecution's version Common Sense Party Apr 2012 #3

Zimmerman HAS...No...PROOF. Amerigo Vespucci Apr 2012 #8

You do not know what proof he has or does not have. Common Sense Party Apr 2012 #12

And I don't give a fuck if you're impressed by me or not Amerigo Vespucci Apr 2012 #17

And yet I still find you endlessly amusing. Common Sense Party Apr 2012 #20

disgusting marshall gaines Apr 2012 #23

Amerigo Vespucci is a ZIMMERMAN APOLOGIST?? Really? No, I think you are responding Ecumenist Apr 2012 #30

Look at post #21 though. Kaleva Apr 2012 #32

that one is poppiing gaskets every day. Whisp Apr 2012 #36

It's up to the PA to provide the proof. Not Zimmerman. Kaleva Apr 2012 #14

Post removed Post removed Apr 2012 #21

Sadly, he does not have the burden of proof. joeglow3 Apr 2012 #22

sadly? ProdigalJunkMail Apr 2012 #114

Well ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2012 #28

There lies the "rub" so to speak :) jaysunb Apr 2012 #35

Yes ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2012 #45

Irrelevant - it is the prosecutor that requires proof. hack89 Apr 2012 #63

Trayvon was walking down the sidewalk HooptieWagon Apr 2012 #56

Agreed ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2012 #62

It was 7 pm. Was it dark? notadmblnd Apr 2012 #96

I can only assume ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2012 #105

Yes. And raining. HooptieWagon Apr 2012 #111

Did he get bail? nt arthritisR_US Apr 2012 #5

Not yet, no. Amerigo Vespucci Apr 2012 #6

Bail wasn't even discussed at today's procedure, Common Sense Party Apr 2012 #7

Thanks guys! arthritisR_US Apr 2012 #10

No bail brush Apr 2012 #43

Well ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2012 #11

True, and here's the part Zimmerman can't prove: Amerigo Vespucci Apr 2012 #15

You don't understand how a legal court works, do you? joeglow3 Apr 2012 #25

That is incorrect in this case. Vattel Apr 2012 #50

I disagree ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2012 #76

Well, I don't read the law that way, and I have read that it hasn't really been tested yet in court. Vattel Apr 2012 #82

Not trying to be flip; but ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2012 #106

I believe that is incorrect. Nothing in the SYG law suggests that. Vattel Apr 2012 #117

Unfortunately, secondvariety Apr 2012 #87

I agree this ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2012 #107

If Zimmerman's defense is based on the SYG law as expected, he'll have to testify pacalo Apr 2012 #108

Read the response to your post below Amerigo Vespucci Apr 2012 #70

No, the state has to prove its version WolverineDG Apr 2012 #86

Unfortunately, ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2012 #31

He does not have to prove anything hack89 Apr 2012 #64

As far as I know, GZ never said that. HooptieWagon Apr 2012 #66

Another lie they are spreading is.. butterfly77 Apr 2012 #16

Me Neither Butterfly. There's HUGE difference in the word heard on the tape and "punks".. Ecumenist Apr 2012 #57

every time i've heard it barbtries Apr 2012 #95

Link to PDF of affidavit: Junkdrawer Apr 2012 #18

All I can think when I see these photos is nolabear Apr 2012 #19

Yes, that nose looks pretty pristine. Common Sense Party Apr 2012 #34

I told the same to my husband nadinbrzezinski Apr 2012 #37

You know ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2012 #74

Of course nadinbrzezinski Apr 2012 #100

See ?? That was pretty easy... jaysunb Apr 2012 #29

They are setting ground to fight the affirmative defense...step one nadinbrzezinski Apr 2012 #33

If Zimmerman can convince a judge he was in fear for his life, the case may be dismissed. Kaleva Apr 2012 #38

Yes, but this is why the affidavit reads the way it reads nadinbrzezinski Apr 2012 #40

It wasn't dismissed Blue_Roses Apr 2012 #93

He initiated the fight, ergo SYG does not apply. nt geek tragedy Apr 2012 #110

I agree. The affidavit describes someone bent on a confrontation EFerrari Apr 2012 #39

How long has it been since his nose was broken? thucythucy Apr 2012 #44

The big thing for me today was safeinOhio Apr 2012 #49

But in the 911, doesn't Zimmerman say, "he's coming toward me?" wiggle-room Apr 2012 #53

Thats because Zimmerman was parked on the street Trayvon was walking on Quixote1818 Apr 2012 #71

Quixote, what is the ultimate source of this graphic? janx Apr 2012 #118

I found it on google images with key words Trayvon Martin map Quixote1818 Apr 2012 #121

Thanks for the info.! janx Apr 2012 #123

The report also said Zimmerman "profiled" Martin. But Alan Dershowitz, on MSNBC right now, jenmito Apr 2012 #54

Dershowitz hasn't seen the emt report magical thyme Apr 2012 #94

So true. n/t janx Apr 2012 #120

Someone please clarify: I thought I read here on DU that the trial would be before a judge truth2power Apr 2012 #58

I think one more judge has to hear Corey's facts Quixote1818 Apr 2012 #72

A probable cause hearing will be held before a judge NoGOPZone Apr 2012 #97

Thanks to both who responded. n/t truth2power Apr 2012 #133

The prosecutor has Zimmerman "not" turning back Life Long Dem Apr 2012 #69

toast frylock Apr 2012 #99

This was on 911 call tape. Zax2me Apr 2012 #115

I have only heard death was caused by a shot to the chest Thinkingabout Apr 2012 #116

There would be no point bringing the case quaker bill Apr 2012 #126

Zimmerman: "I thought SYG stood for Stalk Your Goon." morningfog Apr 2012 #127

My thoughts on this from the thread and predictions moving forward: Pachamama Apr 2012 #129