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(114,904 posts) Wed Sep 17, 2014, 10:25 AM Sep 2014

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I don't know what Hillary actually believes in. [View all]

Does she think climate change is a big threat? She says so, but she is a strong supporter of big oil and fracking. She is no longer SoS but she refuses to state a position on the Keystone pipeline.

Does she believe the income gap is a threat to the integrity of the nation? She says so but she is strong supporter of Wall Street and has voiced support for outsourcing jobs. She isn't just a supporter of the TPP, but one of its principle architects.

And this sort of gap between her current words and her actions distills the problem with Hillary for me.

I know she's really a supporter of choice- she's always been consistent on that issue and on women's rights, but on issues of war and peace, environmental issues and economic issues, she has not been a strong advocate of policies that support her recent rhetoric.

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I don't know what Hillary actually believes in. [View all] cali Sep 2014 OP

Well said. k&r n/t Laelth Sep 2014 #1

That's why I'm supporting Bernie Sanders TheNutcracker Sep 2014 #2

See for yourself right here in just two minutes! TheNutcracker Sep 2014 #4

I would agree with you INdemo Sep 2014 #98

If you are wanting a Republican in the WH in 2017, then run Bernie, the Republicans will be elected. Thinkingabout Sep 2014 #179

No I dont think so but if you want a INdemo Sep 2014 #194

I think we need a president who is knowledgeabe on a wide variety of subjects. Thinkingabout Sep 2014 #195

so am i. DesertFlower Sep 2014 #115

Yes please... disillusioned73 Sep 2014 #162

Bernie Sanders will be Supporting HIllary lewebley3 Sep 2014 #58

Depressing billhicks76 Sep 2014 #92

If Hillary wins, we all win. lewebley3 Sep 2014 #170

I've Been Doing This A Long Time billhicks76 Sep 2014 #183

Good Post. Thinkingabout Sep 2014 #196

Bernie Sanders has stated recently that Hillary is not the INdemo Sep 2014 #101

Hillary would Rule these Billionaires to our Benefit lewebley3 Sep 2014 #171

What what what? tazkcmo Sep 2014 #106

Me too TheNutcracker. dotymed Sep 2014 #65

Me too! sabrina 1 Sep 2014 #144

Where was she during the last bankruptcy overhaul? hootinholler Sep 2014 #3

She voted to filibuster the 2005 bankruptcy bill karynnj Sep 2014 #35

And that describes one of the main problems with her. She is all about politics, not so much sabrina 1 Sep 2014 #145

It is too early and there is no denying she is the most likely Democratic nominee karynnj Sep 2014 #166

I'm aware of what can happen in Iowa, which is part of the problem with this sabrina 1 Sep 2014 #173

I would suggest that Iowa is part of the solution karynnj Sep 2014 #175

I think you just outlined the problem. It is a large group of extremely wealthy people sabrina 1 Sep 2014 #177

She Believes In Two Things Only billhicks76 Sep 2014 #94

Oh you silly cynic, you! truedelphi Sep 2014 #124

How did they get so filthy rich? Boreal Sep 2014 #134

Bush Sr Taught Them billhicks76 Sep 2014 #143

Hillary believes in one thing. Power. Katashi_itto Sep 2014 #5

LOL! Old Crow Sep 2014 #27

:) Katashi_itto Sep 2014 #34

I am glad Hillary understands power/ Its is a good thing! lewebley3 Sep 2014 #172

In part, that could be said of any of us. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Sep 2014 #6

That's okay for you and me F4lconF16 Sep 2014 #79

This is the problem Blue_Adept Sep 2014 #7

I am glad that Senator Sanders dotymed Sep 2014 #68

Bingo. Play the game when you have to F4lconF16 Sep 2014 #80

" It's a truly sucky position for her to be in" $155 million in speeches and book deals... whereisjustice Sep 2014 #122

Not hostility. Indifference. Ikonoklast Sep 2014 #168

That's a good summary of the bind some of us feel in terms of voting for her if she does run davidpdx Sep 2014 #133

A lot of things are not binary choices, which makes it more difficult. MineralMan Sep 2014 #8

I don't disagree with that, but I think Hillary's pushing of fracking, for example cali Sep 2014 #12

Message auto-removed Name removed Sep 2014 #26

Elections are binary. tazkcmo Sep 2014 #107

There is no lack of another choice, as Liberals have pointed out for decades, starting when sabrina 1 Sep 2014 #184

What day of the week is it? snooper2 Sep 2014 #9

Yes you do, and so do I. Le Taz Hot Sep 2014 #10

When has she voiced support for outsourcing jobs? pnwmom Sep 2014 #11

I posted a link in one of your threads. It was when she was in India in 2007. cali Sep 2014 #13

Pffft! 2007? Youthful indiscretion. bullwinkle428 Sep 2014 #18

LOL leftstreet Sep 2014 #46

Here ya go DonCoquixote Sep 2014 #83

Supporting H-1B visas is not the same as supporting outsourcing. SunSeeker Sep 2014 #89

point by point DonCoquixote Sep 2014 #90

Got any links? SunSeeker Sep 2014 #95

Capitalization aside... cuncator Sep 2014 #100

The tech job examples at your links indicate situations where the H-1B rules are not being enforced. SunSeeker Sep 2014 #140

She is saying that trade agreements are not the problem when trade agreements lead rhett o rick Sep 2014 #128

Why would you want to confuse her detractors with facts? olegramps Sep 2014 #167

I have the same misgivings with Obama back then(and till now). Xyzse Sep 2014 #14

Does it matter? Recursion Sep 2014 #15

Are you asking if a politicians political stances matter? ZombieHorde Sep 2014 #73

I'm pretty clearly asserting it doesn't matter Recursion Sep 2014 #77

So a republican President would't be a big loss as long as we get Congress? Autumn Sep 2014 #87

No, a Republican president would be to the *right* of Congress Recursion Sep 2014 #151

Then why bother? tazkcmo Sep 2014 #108

What part of "as long as he's to the left of Congress" is so difficult? Recursion Sep 2014 #152

Go on. What are you recommending? nm rhett o rick Sep 2014 #129

Dropping our magical thinking about Presidents Recursion Sep 2014 #153

Are you saying that the President can't lead the Party? I disagree. nm rhett o rick Sep 2014 #174

I'm saying the party apparatus, broadly, is the real center of policy decisions Recursion Sep 2014 #188

Do you think Pres Obama has the power to fire Gen Clapper? nm rhett o rick Sep 2014 #189

I don't remember if DNI is a full "pleasure of the President" position or not Recursion Sep 2014 #190

Personally I think the power of the NSA/CIA transcends the power of the President. rhett o rick Sep 2014 #193

Really? So a moderate Repub would be alright, you were okay with eg, Reagan, Bush Sr? sabrina 1 Sep 2014 #147

Neither of them were to the left of Congress's center Recursion Sep 2014 #154

yeah, what is all this fuss about what the President might do if elected anyway? Besides it's none Douglas Carpenter Sep 2014 #149

How liberal a President is doesn't change what they'll do Recursion Sep 2014 #150

by changing the parameters of political debate - If you start at center right and then "compromise" Douglas Carpenter Sep 2014 #156

Right now she is a private individual who is not running for anything. Nye Bevan Sep 2014 #16

Sorry, you're wrong, she is running. She knows it, I know it, and I bet you know it too. n/t A Simple Game Sep 2014 #64

And I have some WHO'S in Iraq I'd like to sell you yurbud Sep 2014 #103

She also has a record. tazkcmo Sep 2014 #109

On choice, her corporatist owners don't care about what she does there... cascadiance Sep 2014 #17

I like it. tazkcmo Sep 2014 #110

I think her greatest accomplishment is ... GeorgeGist Sep 2014 #19

Hillary stands for Hillary OilBurnerBob Sep 2014 #20

Or do we know what she believes in because we've seen this act so many times before? raindaddy Sep 2014 #21

doesn't matter--president is just there to support the needs of the 1% librechik Sep 2014 #22

She has a lot of baggage Omaha Steve Sep 2014 #23

I believe you are correct. She is in for a surprise. Ikonoklast Sep 2014 #49

I hope to hell you are right Steve davidpdx Sep 2014 #135

She is a H2O Man Sep 2014 #24

I think that it's at least as disturbing that she's a coporatist cali Sep 2014 #25

I agree. H2O Man Sep 2014 #32

Hillary for President lewebley3 Sep 2014 #28

But none of that rings true. [n/t] Maedhros Sep 2014 #44

Hi, Hillary!!!!!! bvar22 Sep 2014 #86

lol!!! tazkcmo Sep 2014 #111

LOl! That was great satire! Especially: 'and she is for peace'! sabrina 1 Sep 2014 #148

Hlllary believes in only one thing, Hillary. wreq Sep 2014 #29

It's a little complicated with Mrs. Clinton Jack Rabbit Sep 2014 #30

:-) CentralMass Sep 2014 #37

From an NY Times Article CentralMass Sep 2014 #31

Jebus H Bald-Headed Christ riding a unicycle and juggling fish: hifiguy Sep 2014 #39

I believe that would be both political parties and the corporate interests that own them. CentralMass Sep 2014 #41

You have that right. hifiguy Sep 2014 #43

I just gagged a little bit. Ikonoklast Sep 2014 #50

She has people who have people hifiguy Sep 2014 #52

Ask the people causing an economic inequality problem to solve it, that always works so well. Ikonoklast Sep 2014 #75

Foxes report that chicken disappearances hifiguy Sep 2014 #76

Hey now!!! tazkcmo Sep 2014 #112

Ugh leftstreet Sep 2014 #51

I'm completely unsurprised by that, though. winter is coming Sep 2014 #62

See, right there is The Problem With Hillary LawDeeDah Sep 2014 #72

I do know what GOP and conservatives believe in and that motivates me to support beachbum bob Sep 2014 #33

I believe tazkcmo Sep 2014 #118

She stands for what the people who finance her hifiguy Sep 2014 #36

you shall know them by their actions... ProdigalJunkMail Sep 2014 #38

Mrs. Clinton believes, first and foremost, in Mrs. Clinton. Indepatriot Sep 2014 #40

If she announces and still refuses to be clear on her stances, then she's in trouble DFW Sep 2014 #42

" She isn't just a supporter of the TPP, but one of its principle architects." Plucketeer Sep 2014 #45

And that is exactly what is our problem with her. Speak up Hillary - we need to know what you jwirr Sep 2014 #47

HRC believes in..... BrainDrain Sep 2014 #48

As I alluded to above hifiguy Sep 2014 #56

Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good? FlatStanley Sep 2014 #53

+1. I've never seen that argument made when the thing described as "perfect" winter is coming Sep 2014 #63

"Nader did 2000, the lefties did 2010, and inaction is always to keep your powder dry" MisterP Sep 2014 #71

Exactly! FlatStanley Sep 2014 #81

This is Troll Bate/Hillary for President!!!!!!! lewebley3 Sep 2014 #54

uh. no. this is a discussion board. we're free to discuss politicians here and cali Sep 2014 #57

Oh, bother. Maedhros Sep 2014 #78

Sanders wouldn't be speaking about running for president if he "supports Hillary"... cascadiance Sep 2014 #84

Its "bait" not "bate"... bunnies Sep 2014 #119

YOU are overpaid. nt navarth Sep 2014 #123

"The servant waits while the master bates.... or is it baits?" nt Guy Whitey Corngood Sep 2014 #180

What I do know is lobodons Sep 2014 #55

That's enough for her to count on my support. Paladin Sep 2014 #60

That is definitely an important consideration, in my opinion. nt ZombieHorde Sep 2014 #74

You could say that about pretty much any Democrat that runs. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Sep 2014 #82

Yep, name ONE thing that Hillary would do better for us than Warren or Sanders! cascadiance Sep 2014 #85

She has a better chance of being elected President in 2016. SunSeeker Sep 2014 #91

That isn't something "she'd do"... cascadiance Sep 2014 #97

If they can't get in office, they can�t do squat. nt SunSeeker Sep 2014 #137

If Lyndon Larouche can't get in to office, he can't do squat either... cascadiance Sep 2014 #165

It is not a football game for me. It is life and death. SunSeeker Sep 2014 #185

The corporate media want you to believe that they are weak... cascadiance Sep 2014 #187

If you are going to insult me, please pick an insult and stick with it. SunSeeker Sep 2014 #191

Hey! tazkcmo Sep 2014 #113

Feel that way about a lot of pols. oldandhappy Sep 2014 #59

I know exactly what she believes Aerows Sep 2014 #61

HRC Is An Opportunist - She Stands For Nothing cantbeserious Sep 2014 #66

I'm rather sure that she believes in making as much money as possible. ladjf Sep 2014 #67

the Temptations have a song for that MisterP Sep 2014 #69

I Will Say I'm NOT On Board With Her, Wasn't A Big ChiciB1 Sep 2014 #70

He's still a socialist. tazkcmo Sep 2014 #116

Weeeellllll, I KNOW This Also... ChiciB1 Sep 2014 #169

Kicked and recommended! Enthusiast Sep 2014 #88

Hillary is a big believer in Hillary. Damansarajaya Sep 2014 #93

It's Really Very Simple moonbeam23 Sep 2014 #96

If you would just take Mark Penn's poll Capt. Obvious Sep 2014 #99

she's a realist from the late 20th century. Adam051188 Sep 2014 #102

I.don't.know.what.ANYONE.actually.believes.in, elleng Sep 2014 #104

It used to be simply self-promotion AtomicKitten Sep 2014 #105

She'll support anything that hurts the middle class/non-rich, then adjusts at her convenience, after whereisjustice Sep 2014 #114

Winning. Warren DeMontague Sep 2014 #117

winning DonCoquixote Sep 2014 #125

Not if the only thing you care about is winning. Warren DeMontague Sep 2014 #126

so, all the GOP has to do DonCoquixote Sep 2014 #127

I guess. Or, something. Warren DeMontague Sep 2014 #130

In a word: Hillary. marble falls Sep 2014 #120

The energy roadmap uses natural gas. joshcryer Sep 2014 #121

Which launch pad is that? Warren DeMontague Sep 2014 #131

I agree it was the right call. joshcryer Sep 2014 #136

Yeah, the SLS is a variation of the Ares V, to be sure. Which I think was sort of in line with the Warren DeMontague Sep 2014 #138

Completely agree. joshcryer Sep 2014 #139

yeah, "can get things done"... that's the rub, aint it? Warren DeMontague Sep 2014 #141

Think General Bullmose from "Li'l Abner", complete with 'amen chorus': friendly_iconoclast Sep 2014 #132

Sussing out what Hillary REALLY believes: finger in the air time ... blkmusclmachine Sep 2014 #142

ans solarmovies Sep 2014 #146

Pro-choice is enough. (when versus anti-choice) MH1 Sep 2014 #155

Many Wall Street investment bankers are pro-choice. No doubt, many are pro-marriage equality Douglas Carpenter Sep 2014 #157

Elizabeth is only a year younger than Hillary - TBF Sep 2014 #160

I think Hillary believes it's her turn - TBF Sep 2014 #158

Bush, Obama, seems like all of them.. sendero Sep 2014 #159

I know what she believes... Sancho Sep 2014 #161

I don't trust her. Feral Child Sep 2014 #163

I think she's a lifelong liberal who gets bad campaign advice ecstatic Sep 2014 #164

She is a liberal on most issues. However, many on DU have tunnel vision when it comes to Hillary, still_one Sep 2014 #182

I have posted it before, but here is Hillary on the issues: still_one Sep 2014 #176

Yes, I have been successful in searching for other potential candidates on the issues, these sites Thinkingabout Sep 2014 #178

at least you know how they have voted, where they stood, even if they changed their mind on issues still_one Sep 2014 #181

Hillary/Kissenger wuhoooo! JEB Sep 2014 #186

Democratic Values & The Democratic Party Corey_Baker08 Sep 2014 #192