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karynnj

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35. She voted to filibuster the 2005 bankruptcy bill

Wed Sep 17, 2014, 12:07 PM

Sep 2014

When that failed, she missed the actual vote because Bill Clinton was in the hospital for an emergency heart operation. As the filibuster failed because 60 Senators voted to defeat it - there was no chance that the actual vote would fail. I dare anyone to say that HRC should have stayed in DC to cast a vote when it was hopeless rather than being at her husband's side.

Where she has some vulnerability is that she, like John Edwards and Joe Biden, voted for a 2001 bill that was very similar. The bill ultimately failed to become law.

Then again, she is said to have pushed BC to be against the bill earlier when he was President.

The result of all of this is that you could make a case either way. The one thing you can not do is to make a case that she was a strong leader against having a stronger (ie worse) bankruptcy bill or a strong leader for it.

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I don't know what Hillary actually believes in. [View all] cali Sep 2014 OP

Well said. k&r n/t Laelth Sep 2014 #1

That's why I'm supporting Bernie Sanders TheNutcracker Sep 2014 #2

See for yourself right here in just two minutes! TheNutcracker Sep 2014 #4

I would agree with you INdemo Sep 2014 #98

If you are wanting a Republican in the WH in 2017, then run Bernie, the Republicans will be elected. Thinkingabout Sep 2014 #179

No I dont think so but if you want a INdemo Sep 2014 #194

I think we need a president who is knowledgeabe on a wide variety of subjects. Thinkingabout Sep 2014 #195

so am i. DesertFlower Sep 2014 #115

Yes please... disillusioned73 Sep 2014 #162

Bernie Sanders will be Supporting HIllary lewebley3 Sep 2014 #58

Depressing billhicks76 Sep 2014 #92

If Hillary wins, we all win. lewebley3 Sep 2014 #170

I've Been Doing This A Long Time billhicks76 Sep 2014 #183

Good Post. Thinkingabout Sep 2014 #196

Bernie Sanders has stated recently that Hillary is not the INdemo Sep 2014 #101

Hillary would Rule these Billionaires to our Benefit lewebley3 Sep 2014 #171

What what what? tazkcmo Sep 2014 #106

Me too TheNutcracker. dotymed Sep 2014 #65

Me too! sabrina 1 Sep 2014 #144

Where was she during the last bankruptcy overhaul? hootinholler Sep 2014 #3

She voted to filibuster the 2005 bankruptcy bill karynnj Sep 2014 #35

And that describes one of the main problems with her. She is all about politics, not so much sabrina 1 Sep 2014 #145

It is too early and there is no denying she is the most likely Democratic nominee karynnj Sep 2014 #166

I'm aware of what can happen in Iowa, which is part of the problem with this sabrina 1 Sep 2014 #173

I would suggest that Iowa is part of the solution karynnj Sep 2014 #175

I think you just outlined the problem. It is a large group of extremely wealthy people sabrina 1 Sep 2014 #177

She Believes In Two Things Only billhicks76 Sep 2014 #94

Oh you silly cynic, you! truedelphi Sep 2014 #124

How did they get so filthy rich? Boreal Sep 2014 #134

Bush Sr Taught Them billhicks76 Sep 2014 #143

Hillary believes in one thing. Power. Katashi_itto Sep 2014 #5

LOL! Old Crow Sep 2014 #27

:) Katashi_itto Sep 2014 #34

I am glad Hillary understands power/ Its is a good thing! lewebley3 Sep 2014 #172

In part, that could be said of any of us. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Sep 2014 #6

That's okay for you and me F4lconF16 Sep 2014 #79

This is the problem Blue_Adept Sep 2014 #7

I am glad that Senator Sanders dotymed Sep 2014 #68

Bingo. Play the game when you have to F4lconF16 Sep 2014 #80

" It's a truly sucky position for her to be in" $155 million in speeches and book deals... whereisjustice Sep 2014 #122

Not hostility. Indifference. Ikonoklast Sep 2014 #168

That's a good summary of the bind some of us feel in terms of voting for her if she does run davidpdx Sep 2014 #133

A lot of things are not binary choices, which makes it more difficult. MineralMan Sep 2014 #8

I don't disagree with that, but I think Hillary's pushing of fracking, for example cali Sep 2014 #12

Message auto-removed Name removed Sep 2014 #26

Elections are binary. tazkcmo Sep 2014 #107

There is no lack of another choice, as Liberals have pointed out for decades, starting when sabrina 1 Sep 2014 #184

What day of the week is it? snooper2 Sep 2014 #9

Yes you do, and so do I. Le Taz Hot Sep 2014 #10

When has she voiced support for outsourcing jobs? pnwmom Sep 2014 #11

I posted a link in one of your threads. It was when she was in India in 2007. cali Sep 2014 #13

Pffft! 2007? Youthful indiscretion. bullwinkle428 Sep 2014 #18

LOL leftstreet Sep 2014 #46

Here ya go DonCoquixote Sep 2014 #83

Supporting H-1B visas is not the same as supporting outsourcing. SunSeeker Sep 2014 #89

point by point DonCoquixote Sep 2014 #90

Got any links? SunSeeker Sep 2014 #95

Capitalization aside... cuncator Sep 2014 #100

The tech job examples at your links indicate situations where the H-1B rules are not being enforced. SunSeeker Sep 2014 #140

She is saying that trade agreements are not the problem when trade agreements lead rhett o rick Sep 2014 #128

Why would you want to confuse her detractors with facts? olegramps Sep 2014 #167

I have the same misgivings with Obama back then(and till now). Xyzse Sep 2014 #14

Does it matter? Recursion Sep 2014 #15

Are you asking if a politicians political stances matter? ZombieHorde Sep 2014 #73

I'm pretty clearly asserting it doesn't matter Recursion Sep 2014 #77

So a republican President would't be a big loss as long as we get Congress? Autumn Sep 2014 #87

No, a Republican president would be to the *right* of Congress Recursion Sep 2014 #151

Then why bother? tazkcmo Sep 2014 #108

What part of "as long as he's to the left of Congress" is so difficult? Recursion Sep 2014 #152

Go on. What are you recommending? nm rhett o rick Sep 2014 #129

Dropping our magical thinking about Presidents Recursion Sep 2014 #153

Are you saying that the President can't lead the Party? I disagree. nm rhett o rick Sep 2014 #174

I'm saying the party apparatus, broadly, is the real center of policy decisions Recursion Sep 2014 #188

Do you think Pres Obama has the power to fire Gen Clapper? nm rhett o rick Sep 2014 #189

I don't remember if DNI is a full "pleasure of the President" position or not Recursion Sep 2014 #190

Personally I think the power of the NSA/CIA transcends the power of the President. rhett o rick Sep 2014 #193

Really? So a moderate Repub would be alright, you were okay with eg, Reagan, Bush Sr? sabrina 1 Sep 2014 #147

Neither of them were to the left of Congress's center Recursion Sep 2014 #154

yeah, what is all this fuss about what the President might do if elected anyway? Besides it's none Douglas Carpenter Sep 2014 #149

How liberal a President is doesn't change what they'll do Recursion Sep 2014 #150

by changing the parameters of political debate - If you start at center right and then "compromise" Douglas Carpenter Sep 2014 #156

Right now she is a private individual who is not running for anything. Nye Bevan Sep 2014 #16

Sorry, you're wrong, she is running. She knows it, I know it, and I bet you know it too. n/t A Simple Game Sep 2014 #64

And I have some WHO'S in Iraq I'd like to sell you yurbud Sep 2014 #103

She also has a record. tazkcmo Sep 2014 #109

On choice, her corporatist owners don't care about what she does there... cascadiance Sep 2014 #17

I like it. tazkcmo Sep 2014 #110

I think her greatest accomplishment is ... GeorgeGist Sep 2014 #19

Hillary stands for Hillary OilBurnerBob Sep 2014 #20

Or do we know what she believes in because we've seen this act so many times before? raindaddy Sep 2014 #21

doesn't matter--president is just there to support the needs of the 1% librechik Sep 2014 #22

She has a lot of baggage Omaha Steve Sep 2014 #23

I believe you are correct. She is in for a surprise. Ikonoklast Sep 2014 #49

I hope to hell you are right Steve davidpdx Sep 2014 #135

She is a H2O Man Sep 2014 #24

I think that it's at least as disturbing that she's a coporatist cali Sep 2014 #25

I agree. H2O Man Sep 2014 #32

Hillary for President lewebley3 Sep 2014 #28

But none of that rings true. [n/t] Maedhros Sep 2014 #44

Hi, Hillary!!!!!! bvar22 Sep 2014 #86

lol!!! tazkcmo Sep 2014 #111

LOl! That was great satire! Especially: 'and she is for peace'! sabrina 1 Sep 2014 #148

Hlllary believes in only one thing, Hillary. wreq Sep 2014 #29

It's a little complicated with Mrs. Clinton Jack Rabbit Sep 2014 #30

:-) CentralMass Sep 2014 #37

From an NY Times Article CentralMass Sep 2014 #31

Jebus H Bald-Headed Christ riding a unicycle and juggling fish: hifiguy Sep 2014 #39

I believe that would be both political parties and the corporate interests that own them. CentralMass Sep 2014 #41

You have that right. hifiguy Sep 2014 #43

I just gagged a little bit. Ikonoklast Sep 2014 #50

She has people who have people hifiguy Sep 2014 #52

Ask the people causing an economic inequality problem to solve it, that always works so well. Ikonoklast Sep 2014 #75

Foxes report that chicken disappearances hifiguy Sep 2014 #76

Hey now!!! tazkcmo Sep 2014 #112

Ugh leftstreet Sep 2014 #51

I'm completely unsurprised by that, though. winter is coming Sep 2014 #62

See, right there is The Problem With Hillary LawDeeDah Sep 2014 #72

I do know what GOP and conservatives believe in and that motivates me to support beachbum bob Sep 2014 #33

I believe tazkcmo Sep 2014 #118

She stands for what the people who finance her hifiguy Sep 2014 #36

you shall know them by their actions... ProdigalJunkMail Sep 2014 #38

Mrs. Clinton believes, first and foremost, in Mrs. Clinton. Indepatriot Sep 2014 #40

If she announces and still refuses to be clear on her stances, then she's in trouble DFW Sep 2014 #42

" She isn't just a supporter of the TPP, but one of its principle architects." Plucketeer Sep 2014 #45

And that is exactly what is our problem with her. Speak up Hillary - we need to know what you jwirr Sep 2014 #47

HRC believes in..... BrainDrain Sep 2014 #48

As I alluded to above hifiguy Sep 2014 #56

Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good? FlatStanley Sep 2014 #53

+1. I've never seen that argument made when the thing described as "perfect" winter is coming Sep 2014 #63

"Nader did 2000, the lefties did 2010, and inaction is always to keep your powder dry" MisterP Sep 2014 #71

Exactly! FlatStanley Sep 2014 #81

This is Troll Bate/Hillary for President!!!!!!! lewebley3 Sep 2014 #54

uh. no. this is a discussion board. we're free to discuss politicians here and cali Sep 2014 #57

Oh, bother. Maedhros Sep 2014 #78

Sanders wouldn't be speaking about running for president if he "supports Hillary"... cascadiance Sep 2014 #84

Its "bait" not "bate"... bunnies Sep 2014 #119

YOU are overpaid. nt navarth Sep 2014 #123

"The servant waits while the master bates.... or is it baits?" nt Guy Whitey Corngood Sep 2014 #180

What I do know is lobodons Sep 2014 #55

That's enough for her to count on my support. Paladin Sep 2014 #60

That is definitely an important consideration, in my opinion. nt ZombieHorde Sep 2014 #74

You could say that about pretty much any Democrat that runs. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Sep 2014 #82

Yep, name ONE thing that Hillary would do better for us than Warren or Sanders! cascadiance Sep 2014 #85

She has a better chance of being elected President in 2016. SunSeeker Sep 2014 #91

That isn't something "she'd do"... cascadiance Sep 2014 #97

If they can't get in office, they can�t do squat. nt SunSeeker Sep 2014 #137

If Lyndon Larouche can't get in to office, he can't do squat either... cascadiance Sep 2014 #165

It is not a football game for me. It is life and death. SunSeeker Sep 2014 #185

The corporate media want you to believe that they are weak... cascadiance Sep 2014 #187

If you are going to insult me, please pick an insult and stick with it. SunSeeker Sep 2014 #191

Hey! tazkcmo Sep 2014 #113

Feel that way about a lot of pols. oldandhappy Sep 2014 #59

I know exactly what she believes Aerows Sep 2014 #61

HRC Is An Opportunist - She Stands For Nothing cantbeserious Sep 2014 #66

I'm rather sure that she believes in making as much money as possible. ladjf Sep 2014 #67

the Temptations have a song for that MisterP Sep 2014 #69

I Will Say I'm NOT On Board With Her, Wasn't A Big ChiciB1 Sep 2014 #70

He's still a socialist. tazkcmo Sep 2014 #116

Weeeellllll, I KNOW This Also... ChiciB1 Sep 2014 #169

Kicked and recommended! Enthusiast Sep 2014 #88

Hillary is a big believer in Hillary. Damansarajaya Sep 2014 #93

It's Really Very Simple moonbeam23 Sep 2014 #96

If you would just take Mark Penn's poll Capt. Obvious Sep 2014 #99

she's a realist from the late 20th century. Adam051188 Sep 2014 #102

I.don't.know.what.ANYONE.actually.believes.in, elleng Sep 2014 #104

It used to be simply self-promotion AtomicKitten Sep 2014 #105

She'll support anything that hurts the middle class/non-rich, then adjusts at her convenience, after whereisjustice Sep 2014 #114

Winning. Warren DeMontague Sep 2014 #117

winning DonCoquixote Sep 2014 #125

Not if the only thing you care about is winning. Warren DeMontague Sep 2014 #126

so, all the GOP has to do DonCoquixote Sep 2014 #127

I guess. Or, something. Warren DeMontague Sep 2014 #130

In a word: Hillary. marble falls Sep 2014 #120

The energy roadmap uses natural gas. joshcryer Sep 2014 #121

Which launch pad is that? Warren DeMontague Sep 2014 #131

I agree it was the right call. joshcryer Sep 2014 #136

Yeah, the SLS is a variation of the Ares V, to be sure. Which I think was sort of in line with the Warren DeMontague Sep 2014 #138

Completely agree. joshcryer Sep 2014 #139

yeah, "can get things done"... that's the rub, aint it? Warren DeMontague Sep 2014 #141

Think General Bullmose from "Li'l Abner", complete with 'amen chorus': friendly_iconoclast Sep 2014 #132

Sussing out what Hillary REALLY believes: finger in the air time ... blkmusclmachine Sep 2014 #142

ans solarmovies Sep 2014 #146

Pro-choice is enough. (when versus anti-choice) MH1 Sep 2014 #155

Many Wall Street investment bankers are pro-choice. No doubt, many are pro-marriage equality Douglas Carpenter Sep 2014 #157

Elizabeth is only a year younger than Hillary - TBF Sep 2014 #160

I think Hillary believes it's her turn - TBF Sep 2014 #158

Bush, Obama, seems like all of them.. sendero Sep 2014 #159

I know what she believes... Sancho Sep 2014 #161

I don't trust her. Feral Child Sep 2014 #163

I think she's a lifelong liberal who gets bad campaign advice ecstatic Sep 2014 #164

She is a liberal on most issues. However, many on DU have tunnel vision when it comes to Hillary, still_one Sep 2014 #182

I have posted it before, but here is Hillary on the issues: still_one Sep 2014 #176

Yes, I have been successful in searching for other potential candidates on the issues, these sites Thinkingabout Sep 2014 #178

at least you know how they have voted, where they stood, even if they changed their mind on issues still_one Sep 2014 #181

Hillary/Kissenger wuhoooo! JEB Sep 2014 #186

Democratic Values & The Democratic Party Corey_Baker08 Sep 2014 #192