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In reply to the discussion: Spanking? America's killed a million Iraqi kids over the last 24 years. [View all]Octafish
(55,745 posts)65. Not trying to divert attention from spanking, but to the killing of a million innocent people.
There's a reason it's not on tee vee: It interferes with the New Message, which, as the great DUer Will Pitt noted, is the same as the Old Message. Message Theory. On-Message Theory.
The Pitfalls of Peace
The Lack of Major Wars May Be Hurting Economic Growth
Tyler Coswen
The New York Times, JUNE 13, 2014
The continuing slowness of economic growth in high-income economies has prompted soul-searching among economists. They have looked to weak demand, rising inequality, Chinese competition, over-regulation, inadequate infrastructure and an exhaustion of new technological ideas as possible culprits.
An additional explanation of slow growth is now receiving attention, however. It is the persistence and expectation of peace.
The world just hasnt had that much warfare lately, at least not by historical standards. Some of the recent headlines about Iraq or South Sudan make our world sound like a very bloody place, but todays casualties pale in light of the tens of millions of people killed in the two world wars in the first half of the 20th century. Even the Vietnam War had many more deaths than any recent war involving an affluent country.
Counterintuitive though it may sound, the greater peacefulness of the world may make the attainment of higher rates of economic growth less urgent and thus less likely. This view does not claim that fighting wars improves economies, as of course the actual conflict brings death and destruction. The claim is also distinct from the Keynesian argument that preparing for war lifts government spending and puts people to work. Rather, the very possibility of war focuses the attention of governments on getting some basic decisions right whether investing in science or simply liberalizing the economy. Such focus ends up improving a nations longer-run prospects.
It may seem repugnant to find a positive side to war in this regard, but a look at American history suggests we cannot dismiss the idea so easily. Fundamental innovations such as nuclear power, the computer and the modern aircraft were all pushed along by an American government eager to defeat the Axis powers or, later, to win the Cold War. The Internet was initially designed to help this country withstand a nuclear exchange, and Silicon Valley had its origins with military contracting, not todays entrepreneurial social media start-ups. The Soviet launch of the Sputnik satellite spurred American interest in science and technology, to the benefit of later economic growth.
War brings an urgency that governments otherwise fail to summon. For instance, the Manhattan Project took six years to produce a working atomic bomb, starting from virtually nothing, and at its peak consumed 0.4 percent of American economic output. It is hard to imagine a comparably speedy and decisive achievement these days.
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Living in a largely peaceful world with 2 percent G.D.P. growth has some big advantages that you dont get with 4 percent growth and many more war deaths. Economic stasis may not feel very impressive, but its something our ancestors never quite managed to pull off. The real questions are whether we can do any better, and whether the recent prevalence of peace is a mere temporary bubble just waiting to be burst.
Tyler Cowen is a professor of economics at George Mason University.
SOURCE: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/14/upshot/the-lack-of-major-wars-may-be-hurting-economic-growth.html?_r=0
Money Trumps Peace -- pretty much always the on-message 24/7/366.
Thank you for standing up against that scream, G_j!
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Spanking? America's killed a million Iraqi kids over the last 24 years. [View all]
Octafish
Sep 2014
OP
Agreed, I am not sure either problem has been totally overlooked. Just because there is lots of kid
Thinkingabout
Sep 2014
#82
Because there was no military/strategic advantage of occupation given the history of
whereisjustice
Sep 2014
#84
You don't have to agree, history has more than proven my assertions correct.
whereisjustice
Sep 2014
#109
What Adrian Peterson did was horrific, but this is a million times more horriffic.
Initech
Sep 2014
#13
I actually can get behind air strikes in Iraq, but intervening in Syria is ridiculous
Hippo_Tron
Sep 2014
#40
Not trying to divert attention from spanking, but to the killing of a million innocent people.
Octafish
Sep 2014
#65
I was surprised at both the focus and its size. Please see #65 above and this from the same below...
Octafish
Sep 2014
#66
Iraqi people had nothing to do with 9-11. They didn't even vote for CIA-installed Saddam Hussein.
Octafish
Sep 2014
#70
Dead kids have a power to open eyes. Yet some spend years trying to shut your mouth.
johnnyreb
Sep 2014
#72
what we do to our kids matter. what we do to other people's children also matter.
La Lioness Priyanka
Sep 2014
#75
In 1990, Iraq was given a green light to attack Kuwait by Baker per April Glaspie.
Octafish
Sep 2014
#92
Saying we have no opinion in a dispute over slant drilling is NOT a green light for war.
EX500rider
Sep 2014
#94
Father Bush lied his miserable way into an Iraq war just like his dim son did.
LawDeeDah
Sep 2014
#122
It was a green light to Saddam, remember that Rumsfeld and the PNACers were buds with Saddam
LawDeeDah
Sep 2014
#127