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Showing Original Post only (View all)JOHN McCAIN Despicably Pushes For FULL-SCALE MIDDLE EAST WAR During ISIS Senate Hearing [View all]

"...McCain just doesnt want to hear any crap about America not having the capability to fight multiple adversaries at once. No way, Jose! In McCains worldview, the United States needs to be involved with as many wars as possible..."
On Wednesday afternoon, Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) was his normal warmongering self as he grilled Secretary of State John Kerry over the Obama Administrations strategy to deal with ISIS. McCain used his time during a Senate Foreign Relations Committee hearing to beat his chest and demand that the United States not only get into a ground war in Iraq and Syria to combat ISIS, but that the country also needs to commit to a war against the Assad regime in Syria. While House Democrats are legitimately concerned about the White Houses plan to arm and train Syrian rebels to help fight ISIS on the ground, McCain wants the President to push forward and go whole hog with the war machine. Below is the exchange between McCain and Kerry (emphasis mine):
McCain: Secretary, today, September 17th, Secretary Gates said the following, former Secretary of Defense Gates. The reality is theyre not going to be able to be successful against ISIS strictly from the air or strictly depending on the Iraqi forces of the Peshmerga by the Sunni tribes acting on their own, gates said. So there will be boots on the ground if theres to be any hope of success in the strategy. And I think that by containing by continuing to repeat that, that the US wont put boots on the ground, the president in effect traps himself. Now, Mr. Secretary, Ive talked to so many people who are military experienced, who have been on both sides on this issue. They all agree with secretary gates assessment. And thats just the reality. And there are some of us that place a great deal of confidence in the opinion of people like Secretary Gates, General Keane. So the architects of the surge. So many others.-the architects of the surge. So many others.-the architects of the surge. So many others. The architects of the surge. So many others. Is it your view that the Syrian opposition is viable?
Kerry: The Syrian opposition has been viable enough to be able to survive under difficult circumstances but they still have some distance to go and we need to help them go that distance.
McCain: The hero of this piece so far in my view is a guy whos going to testify after you, Robert Ford, Ambassador Ford. He did a magnificent job at the risk of his own life, riding around Damascus in his support of the Free Syrian army. Heres what hes going to say in his testimony. The moderate armed oppositions biggest enemy is not the Islamic State, it is the Assad regime which has killed far more Syrians than has the detestable Islamic State, and they wont stop fighting the Assad regime even as they advance against the Islamic State. Youre saying, ISIS first. Were going to train and equip the Free Syrian army and theyre going to be fighting against Assad who they view as their number one enemy. I agree with Ambassador Fords assessment. Youre saying, ISIL first. So if this so were telling the young Syrian today, I want you to join the Free Syrian Army, youve got to fight ISIL first, and by the way those barrel bombs that are being dropped on you and these attacks from the air that of Hamas customers of so many Syrians, were not going to do anything about that. I think at least we owe the Free Syrian Army, negate the air attacks that they will be subjected to when they finish their training and equipping, and go into the fight. So why is it that we wont at least news release Bashar al Assads air activity which has slaughtered thousands and thousands and thousands, 192,000 dead, 3 million refugees, and were not going to do anything about Assads air capabilities? And finally, ISIL first, thats what youre telling these young men who really view Assad as the one who has slaughtered their family members. Not ISIL. As bad as ISIL is. How do you square that circle action Mr. Secretary?
Kerry: Well, you square it this way, Senator. And first of all, let me just say a word. I think everybody knows I had the pleasure of working with Robert Ford in the department from the day I arrived there. We worked very closely together, I have huge respect and admiration for him. And he and I worked many long hours with the Syrian opposition. And I respect his opinion, et cetera. He is correct that they wont stop fighting the Assad regime. I understand that we understand that.
McCain: Not only wont stop fighting, its their primary goal.
Kerry: Well, it is, except
McCain: I know too many of them, John.
Kerry: I understand. It is. Im not denying that. But they also are fighting ISIL. Theyre up in Aleppo right now fighting ISIL. Theyre fighting ISIL in other places. They threw them out of a province. They are engaged in fighting ISIL. And our belief is, I think I bet you, I hope Robert Ford believes that they believe they actually get stronger as a result of ISIL being removed from the field.
McCain: Are you not going to protect them from air strikes?
Kerry: I think what we need yes, and I think what we need thats a legitimate concern. And it is a concern that I would need to address with you in a classified session for reasons I think you well understand. And I think Robert ford well understands that.
McCain: I think the Free Syrian Army would like to understand, too.
Kerry: If we have a good classified session and another good things happen here, who knows. The important thing is for us to recognize that if ISIL continues doing what its doing I think you know this without being stopped and if we hadnt stood up when we did and work with Peshmerga and help them, they were threatening Baghdad and they were threatening more. If they did that
McCain: Were talking about Syria. And the Free Syrian Army.
Kerry: Im about to come back
McCain: Thank you. Im running out of time.
Kerry: That pertains to their capacity then to focus on Assad and it might be not the Free Syrian Army but ISIL that you see in Damascus. And ISIL bringing other people to them because of the level of their success. Clearly, many people have told us in the region, success breeds success. And many of the people who have come to ISIL have come because it seemed as if they were werent being opposed. We believe that transition works to the benefit of the moderate opposition, works ultimately to all of our benefit by removing ISIL from the field.
McCain: You cannot ask people to go and fight and die unless you promise them that they you will defeat their enemy and defeat them right away. You cant say, wait until we defeat ISIL. People will not volunteer for such things.
Kerry: I dont believe its going to be ultimately a wait and see. I dont believe, number one, that the people supporting the opposition in various parts of the region are ever going to stop until the Assad problem is resolves. Number two, I dont believe ISIL is going I dont believe that the moderate opposition will obviously stop in that effort. So, therefore, there will be these two prongs.
McCain: I hope not ISIL first, if that message is not given to these brave young people.
Kerry: If we dont stop ISIL first, there may not be much left of the other prong.
McCain: That means we cant take on two adversaries at once thats bogus and false.
Kerry: The Syrian opposition has been viable enough to be able to survive under difficult circumstances but they still have some distance to go and we need to help them go that distance.
McCain: The hero of this piece so far in my view is a guy whos going to testify after you, Robert Ford, Ambassador Ford. He did a magnificent job at the risk of his own life, riding around Damascus in his support of the Free Syrian army. Heres what hes going to say in his testimony. The moderate armed oppositions biggest enemy is not the Islamic State, it is the Assad regime which has killed far more Syrians than has the detestable Islamic State, and they wont stop fighting the Assad regime even as they advance against the Islamic State. Youre saying, ISIS first. Were going to train and equip the Free Syrian army and theyre going to be fighting against Assad who they view as their number one enemy. I agree with Ambassador Fords assessment. Youre saying, ISIL first. So if this so were telling the young Syrian today, I want you to join the Free Syrian Army, youve got to fight ISIL first, and by the way those barrel bombs that are being dropped on you and these attacks from the air that of Hamas customers of so many Syrians, were not going to do anything about that. I think at least we owe the Free Syrian Army, negate the air attacks that they will be subjected to when they finish their training and equipping, and go into the fight. So why is it that we wont at least news release Bashar al Assads air activity which has slaughtered thousands and thousands and thousands, 192,000 dead, 3 million refugees, and were not going to do anything about Assads air capabilities? And finally, ISIL first, thats what youre telling these young men who really view Assad as the one who has slaughtered their family members. Not ISIL. As bad as ISIL is. How do you square that circle action Mr. Secretary?
Kerry: Well, you square it this way, Senator. And first of all, let me just say a word. I think everybody knows I had the pleasure of working with Robert Ford in the department from the day I arrived there. We worked very closely together, I have huge respect and admiration for him. And he and I worked many long hours with the Syrian opposition. And I respect his opinion, et cetera. He is correct that they wont stop fighting the Assad regime. I understand that we understand that.
McCain: Not only wont stop fighting, its their primary goal.
Kerry: Well, it is, except
McCain: I know too many of them, John.
Kerry: I understand. It is. Im not denying that. But they also are fighting ISIL. Theyre up in Aleppo right now fighting ISIL. Theyre fighting ISIL in other places. They threw them out of a province. They are engaged in fighting ISIL. And our belief is, I think I bet you, I hope Robert Ford believes that they believe they actually get stronger as a result of ISIL being removed from the field.
McCain: Are you not going to protect them from air strikes?
Kerry: I think what we need yes, and I think what we need thats a legitimate concern. And it is a concern that I would need to address with you in a classified session for reasons I think you well understand. And I think Robert ford well understands that.
McCain: I think the Free Syrian Army would like to understand, too.
Kerry: If we have a good classified session and another good things happen here, who knows. The important thing is for us to recognize that if ISIL continues doing what its doing I think you know this without being stopped and if we hadnt stood up when we did and work with Peshmerga and help them, they were threatening Baghdad and they were threatening more. If they did that
McCain: Were talking about Syria. And the Free Syrian Army.
Kerry: Im about to come back
McCain: Thank you. Im running out of time.
Kerry: That pertains to their capacity then to focus on Assad and it might be not the Free Syrian Army but ISIL that you see in Damascus. And ISIL bringing other people to them because of the level of their success. Clearly, many people have told us in the region, success breeds success. And many of the people who have come to ISIL have come because it seemed as if they were werent being opposed. We believe that transition works to the benefit of the moderate opposition, works ultimately to all of our benefit by removing ISIL from the field.
McCain: You cannot ask people to go and fight and die unless you promise them that they you will defeat their enemy and defeat them right away. You cant say, wait until we defeat ISIL. People will not volunteer for such things.
Kerry: I dont believe its going to be ultimately a wait and see. I dont believe, number one, that the people supporting the opposition in various parts of the region are ever going to stop until the Assad problem is resolves. Number two, I dont believe ISIL is going I dont believe that the moderate opposition will obviously stop in that effort. So, therefore, there will be these two prongs.
McCain: I hope not ISIL first, if that message is not given to these brave young people.
Kerry: If we dont stop ISIL first, there may not be much left of the other prong.
McCain: That means we cant take on two adversaries at once thats bogus and false.
There you have it. McCain didnt even try to hide his cards here. He wants the United States to not only send American troops to Iraq to fight ISIS. He also wants this country to get involved in a massive civil war in Syria that is being fought on several fronts. McCain just doesnt want to hear any crap about America not having the capability to fight multiple adversaries at once. No way, Jose! In McCains worldview, the United States needs to be involved with as many wars as possible.
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http://www.politicususa.com/2014/09/17/john-mccain-dangerously-insists-full-scale-middle-east-war-isis-senate-hearing.html
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Segami
Sep 2014
OP
McCain needs to be reminded of the Hanoi Hilton every time he spouts off like that.
hobbit709
Sep 2014
#6
The originator of: If you really care, you must invade. Anything short of boots on the ground
pampango
Sep 2014
#7
We trained the Iraqi army for 10 years and now they tell us that army can't beat an organized mob
Johonny
Sep 2014
#12
"the United States needs to be involved with as many wars as possible."
Spitfire of ATJ
Sep 2014
#17
I always say if chickenhawks had not been crybabies when it was their turn to serve
randys1
Sep 2014
#26
Wake up! The goal has always been Assad. By the time it's over ISIS will be our allies, I believe.
grahamhgreen
Sep 2014
#39