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87. The police tend to wait to make such determinations until they have all the evidence

Reply to Louisiana1976 (Reply #35)

Thu Sep 18, 2014, 07:06 AM

Sep 2014

Is it likely they were attacked for being perceived as gay? Sure.

But it takes more than just the victim saying it was because they are gay to make it a hate crime. Look at the actress recently who claimed she was detained because the cop thought she was a prostitute when she was kissing her boyfriend. It turned out she wasn't being entirely truthful. I'm not saying that's the case here, but in order for the police to press charges as a hate crime, they have to be able to make the case based on more than just the victim's say so. Otherwise how many Fox News viewers would claim if they got mugged by a black guy that it was a hate crime?

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This horror occurred 20 yards from my dental office: [View all] PCIntern Sep 2014 OP

My first inclination is to say that the bashers are all dressed like Republicans MrScorpio Sep 2014 #1

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I doubt it's about the victims... Whiskeytide Sep 2014 #24

Excellent point. You have to be more than a little screwed up to be so homophobic you want to Louisiana1976 Sep 2014 #32

A lot of guys call themselves straight who really enjoy sex with other guys more than women. LiberalArkie Sep 2014 #46

I have know (sic), (several people like you) nt. My. God. just WHAT??? New Orleans Strong Sep 2014 #66

Definitely! Individuals like this are full of unresolved conflicts and emotional baggage they RKP5637 Sep 2014 #101

Raping me sure didn't make me want to date men. Jamastiene Sep 2014 #52

Jamastiene.... irisblue Sep 2014 #69

Thank you. Jamastiene Sep 2014 #145

Exactly! They are very sick deranged individuals with very serious emotional issues. n/t RKP5637 Sep 2014 #102

Their names need to be publicized and spread far and wide, Arugula Latte Sep 2014 #3

Yes - who are they? The public has a right to know. closeupready Sep 2014 #5

I guess they have to go through all the due process. Arugula Latte Sep 2014 #6

Glad that they seem to have been identified. NYC_SKP Sep 2014 #16

They all paid with credit cards. They all posted various stuff to social media, and then, msanthrope Sep 2014 #25

Or anybody that looks like them, really. Jackpine Radical Sep 2014 #51

Hitler Youth. Ikonoklast Sep 2014 #7

That was my take on them in the sixties. They haven't changed one bit, just bolder now. freshwest Sep 2014 #15

I hear ya Roy Rolling Sep 2014 #98

They sure did! They always remind me of Greg Marmalard or Doug Neidermeyer in 'Animal House.' freshwest Sep 2014 #109

Exactly, different times, different people, different names, but SOS! n/t RKP5637 Sep 2014 #103

All of that...And if there'd been no bystanders, they'd be murderers. How many crimes before this? freshwest Sep 2014 #14

My same thoughts, they were well on their way to going the next step! What creatures they are! n/t RKP5637 Sep 2014 #104

big group Liberal_in_LA Sep 2014 #19

They could find work at Fox or some right wing Christian group. alfredo Sep 2014 #26

incredibly sad questionseverything Sep 2014 #28

Looks like Sorority/Fraternity brats to me... ReRe Sep 2014 #81

I was thinking the same thing. nt IdaBriggs Sep 2014 #88

Although the restaurant offered $10K for info leadind to an arrest. And since it occured outside, freshwest Sep 2014 #93

Christian school reunion - Karl Frisch just talked about this on bullwinkle428 Sep 2014 #91

Seriously? VA_Jill Sep 2014 #94

No kidding? Wish there was a written story for more shaming of this gang of ruffians. freshwest Sep 2014 #95

Some (most? all?) of the attackers had attended a Catholic H.S. together ... 66 dmhlt Sep 2014 #105

Who would Jesus bash and steal from? Arugula Latte Sep 2014 #115

Look at all that entitlement. CrispyQ Sep 2014 #110

Huh? Grins Sep 2014 #140

That is horrible. Right in center city. MadrasT Sep 2014 #4

Are you back now? nt Logical Sep 2014 #8

Yes and no. nt PCIntern Sep 2014 #36

This is horrible. Behind the Aegis Sep 2014 #9

Thanks, BtA. nt PCIntern Sep 2014 #40

You're welcome. Behind the Aegis Sep 2014 #74

+ 1 million! JustAnotherGen Sep 2014 #53

You stalking me?! Behind the Aegis Sep 2014 #73

For you... sheshe2 Sep 2014 #55

Thanks! Behind the Aegis Sep 2014 #70

Well said. Jamastiene Sep 2014 #59

Appreciate it. Behind the Aegis Sep 2014 #71

I am one of those older people that understands. sheshe2 Sep 2014 #77

The older some get, the more they appreciate kindness from any source. The heart knows no boundary. freshwest Sep 2014 #96

Behind the Aegis and PCIntern: freshwest Sep 2014 #64

That is very sweet! Behind the Aegis Sep 2014 #72

Yes, you are! (And so is William769, who I hope is recovering well from surgery.) freshwest Sep 2014 #75

Why, thank you. PCIntern Sep 2014 #82

You're welcome. It was refreshing to see you posting again, PC. freshwest Sep 2014 #97

This: CrispyQ Sep 2014 #114

I haven't seen reports that they've been caught B2G Sep 2014 #10

That was my thought. Half might be out of the country by now ErikJ Sep 2014 #65

That's my city Tree-Hugger Sep 2014 #11

"I thought he was dead": Gay Couple Speaks Out After Brutal Assault in Center City pinboy3niner Sep 2014 #12

How incompetent must the police be if they've yet to confirm that it was a hate crime while Louisiana1976 Sep 2014 #35

The police tend to wait to make such determinations until they have all the evidence mythology Sep 2014 #87

Report is that state law does exboyfil Sep 2014 #106

VIDEO of the perps: freshwest Sep 2014 #13

Excellent vid. Good thing the cops were around or, yeah, they'd likely be dead. toby jo Sep 2014 #43

Yes, and there is a lot to identify them with, huh? freshwest Sep 2014 #45

I've always been against much surveillance videos, but this certainly shows the RKP5637 Sep 2014 #108

Trigger Warning: The words of the victims describing the vicious attack: freshwest Sep 2014 #17

I am crying, I read your post and I feel sick. sheshe2 Sep 2014 #54

No justification. I am crying too, now, Sheshe. freshwest Sep 2014 #58

glad they were caught. Liberal_in_LA Sep 2014 #18

What college accepted these mental giants? damnedifIknow Sep 2014 #20

Caught...and they are singing like canaries. Lots of finger pointing msanthrope Sep 2014 #21

Great! Thanks for that news. freshwest Sep 2014 #42

Thanks for the update! These creatures are well on the path to even more viscous crimes, they have RKP5637 Sep 2014 #111

Gang mentality.....IQs drop in a group. nt msanthrope Sep 2014 #130

I'm glad they were caught, cowards who only feel 'brave' when part of a mob. sabrina 1 Sep 2014 #22

There honestly aren't enough facepalms in the world for this. Initech Sep 2014 #23

I have to wonder if police violence contributes ... CaptainTruth Sep 2014 #27

stunned " onlookers " kardonb Sep 2014 #29

Yes, all of them are guilty if no one in the group reported it or helped the couple. All of them. nt stillwaiting Sep 2014 #31

That's not the case, they saved their lives by their actions. freshwest Sep 2014 #44

I agree with what you state. I did not mean to imply that I thought the bystanders were guilty. stillwaiting Sep 2014 #47

All good, sorry if I mistook your comment. Misanthrope's reply says they are turning on each other. freshwest Sep 2014 #49

There is no legal requirement to stop a crime. former9thward Sep 2014 #124

You'd be surprised how many times people don't intervene rpannier Sep 2014 #63

Now THESE are what I call thugs. I don't care what they wear, where they eat or logosoco Sep 2014 #30

Right on! People like them are the true thugs. Louisiana1976 Sep 2014 #37

What the hell is wrong with People? stage left Sep 2014 #33

Prison. snort Sep 2014 #34

Right. I hope they're put away for a long long time. Louisiana1976 Sep 2014 #38

They'll need some really good and expensive safeinOhio Sep 2014 #39

prison time for these bastards ! nt steve2470 Sep 2014 #41

+1,000! freshwest Sep 2014 #56

Yes, and serious prison time, not just a slap on the wrist! n/t RKP5637 Sep 2014 #113

Shades of Germany 32-33 lunasun Sep 2014 #48

Beneath the GOP facade, are brownshirts. This is their underground movement breaking loose. freshwest Sep 2014 #57

Sounds like The Purge 3. AtomicKitten Sep 2014 #50

A side question: Hahnemann University Hospital? Is it named for the founder of homeopathy? tclambert Sep 2014 #60

Why don't you google it and report back? IDK anything about such a connection and am busy. TIA. freshwest Sep 2014 #61

OK, it was named after him, but tclambert Sep 2014 #67

Thanks, I never heard of any of this. I thought it'd be like a regular university hospital system. freshwest Sep 2014 #68

It is a mainstream hospital PCIntern Sep 2014 #83

Hahnemann has a specialty in critical care BumRushDaShow Sep 2014 #84

"The Killing of Georgie" Hissyspit Sep 2014 #62

Just sickening gwheezie Sep 2014 #76

The stories imply that the attack was stopped by by-standers - hedgehog Sep 2014 #78

Bucks County kids... Archbishop Wood fbc Sep 2014 #79

Bucks County is not all bad either. Glassunion Sep 2014 #119

There are pockets of hate Tree-Hugger Sep 2014 #144

Archbishop Wood coach is fired over Center City gay attack Crabby Appleton Sep 2014 #80

According to the article Puglover Sep 2014 #89

damn.... Philadelphia????? secondwind Sep 2014 #85

Won't be charged with a hate crime since sexual orientation is not covered under current PA law. msanthrope Sep 2014 #86

Does the federal hate crimes law cover this, if they won't? This was a targeted attack. freshwest Sep 2014 #112

It can, but there's no reason to turn this federal. nt msanthrope Sep 2014 #118

Why would you say there is no reason to turn this federal? Hassin Bin Sober Sep 2014 #121

Local crime, local, Philly jury, elected judges who won't want the LGBT community opposing them. msanthrope Sep 2014 #123

What kind of time are they looking at? Hassin Bin Sober Sep 2014 #127

Well...the 'hate' aspect isn't ignored, and it comes in, as it goes directly to motive. msanthrope Sep 2014 #129

I don't completely disagree with your stategery but I think the Feds should be involved... Hassin Bin Sober Sep 2014 #131

I suspect the local FBI office is providing tactical in the form of surveillance warrants and the msanthrope Sep 2014 #133

Yep. Hassin Bin Sober Sep 2014 #134

Let's just say that as a criminal defense attorney, I have no presence on Facebook. But shite, msanthrope Sep 2014 #135

Actually the Philly council reached out to the DOJ Glassunion Sep 2014 #125

Excellent. Hassin Bin Sober Sep 2014 #128

Even the Philly Police in their press release called it a hate crime. Glassunion Sep 2014 #132

Now they need to be charged with the crime they committed. Hassin Bin Sober Sep 2014 #139

Indeed we do. If anything good comes out of this, I hope this can be it. Glassunion Sep 2014 #142

It used to be covered by state law. But the law was found unconstitutional. Glassunion Sep 2014 #143

The attack mob was part of CHRISTIAN SCHOOL REUNION. Karl Frisch was bullwinkle428 Sep 2014 #90

Ugh. American Taliban for sure. nt raouldukelives Sep 2014 #99

Indeed. Much of this is fomented by hell fire brimstone churches. L0oniX Sep 2014 #100

K&R and +infinity for their capture. nt stevenleser Sep 2014 #92

I just saw this. Sissyk Sep 2014 #107

I'm glad the apparent offenders were caught, wondering why they weren't immediately arrested once hedgehog Sep 2014 #116

#Thuginess. father founding Sep 2014 #117

I am glad DU has finally decided to pay attention to this. ScreamingMeemie Sep 2014 #120

Fran McGlinn, a 25 year old coach at Archbishop Wood Catholic High School in Warminster, PA: fired cpwm17 Sep 2014 #122

Hopefully just the opening salvo in a plan to render justice. closeupready Sep 2014 #126

This is from this story adigal Sep 2014 #141

LBN update Omaha Steve Sep 2014 #136

I have a feeling that teabaggers won't be sharing this on their Facebook pages Hugabear Sep 2014 #137

I'm having trouble wrapping my mind around this adigal Sep 2014 #138

PhillyMag: Three People Charged in Center City Gay-Bashing closeupready Sep 2014 #146