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thesquanderer

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36. Answering your question
Thu Sep 18, 2014, 09:34 AM
Sep 2014

Last edited Thu Sep 18, 2014, 11:12 AM - Edit history (1)

Your question: Who here has expressed anything that can be construed as anti-Sanders?

First, to be clear about what I meant by saying anti-Sanders: While the headline was made concise to fit, I explained in the first line of the OP that I was specifically talking about people who are "trashing the idea of Bernie Sanders running to become the Democratic candidate for President"

Examples of people expressing that POV would be VanillaRhapsody and Thinkingabout, whose comments I had responded to in other threads.

As for your comment that you believe he has no chance of being elected, I have two thoughts on that:

(a) it's awfully early to say that. A lot can happen in 2+ years. We don't know which Democrats he would be facing in a primary. (We don't know for certain that Hillary will run, and don't know who else may be in the mix.) We don't know what events may occur over the next 2+ years that shift public perceptions of people. We don't know who the Republicans will put up in 2016. etc. Related to that, as mentioned earlier, lots of people would have given Carter, Clinton, and Obama no chance if you were asking about them 2+ years before the election.

(b) even if you believe he has no chance of winning, I think there is value in having him (or someone with similar progressive positions) run for the nomination, because this country needs all the high profile conversation on these topics as it can get. And even if he trails during the whole process, maybe he does pull the front-runner to the left, and maybe having the conversations helps pull the country further that way as well.

So let me turn that around: What is a good reason that he should NOT run for the nomination?

I wasn't assuming that everyone who doesn't want Sanders to run was looking to protect Hillary, but it is obviously one likely rationale. But that's what led to this OP. Asking the question, whether there are other candidates who are supported by people who would prefer that Sanders didn't run. And yes, as you can see, people did list some.

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He has been an IND since about 81 and don't believe he will switch to DEM, and CK_John Sep 2014 #1
That is simply untrue. 99Forever Sep 2014 #3
I don't think such a switch would cost him any of his current support. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Sep 2014 #4
I think his progressive base would support him regardless of the letter after his name thesquanderer Sep 2014 #8
I doubt there are any "anti-Sanders" folks here. JoePhilly Sep 2014 #2
I think they exist. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Sep 2014 #5
Of course you can be pro Hillary and not anti-Sanders thesquanderer Sep 2014 #6
I agree. I haven't see anyone here who dislikes Bernie Sanders wyldwolf Sep 2014 #7
So, who would you like to see run? thesquanderer Sep 2014 #9
oh, and I wasn't talking about whether people liked or disliked him thesquanderer Sep 2014 #10
I'm decidedly in Hillary's corner but welcome a Sanders run and would vote for him in a general. wyldwolf Sep 2014 #11
One thing which will halt his ability to become president his title of Independent Socialists. Thinkingabout Sep 2014 #12
There's are other threads about whether he can win... thesquanderer Sep 2014 #13
As I see it, if he should decide to run he will probably end up taking lots of heat as I stated on Thinkingabout Sep 2014 #14
Okay then to answer your question... thesquanderer Sep 2014 #16
I hear a lot about Hillary being too Wall Street friendly, yes she gives speeches to Wall Street Thinkingabout Sep 2014 #18
I agree... Can you give me a link so I can post this without a fuss? I don't think the media has freshwest Sep 2014 #32
Be glad to, I see her connection to Walmart and Goldmann Sachs posted with what appears to Thinkingabout Sep 2014 #39
WOW! I will be using that here for what it's worth. But will this get to women, in particular? freshwest Sep 2014 #40
I wouldn't go so far as to say I'm "anti-Hillary" but I do find many of her positions - especially nomorenomore08 Sep 2014 #21
I like him and can't stand her Boreal Sep 2014 #29
Interesting source material: freshwest Sep 2014 #33
I will vote for Hillary gwheezie Sep 2014 #15
If not Hillary gwheezie Sep 2014 #17
You are aware he is an independent correct? Agschmid Sep 2014 #19
If he wants the D after his name to be able to run as a D, it's easy to do. thesquanderer Sep 2014 #24
I think it makes a difference gwheezie Sep 2014 #26
I completely agree, it does make a difference. thesquanderer Sep 2014 #27
I hope he does gwheezie Sep 2014 #28
Pointing out that Sanders is unlikely to win, baldguy Sep 2014 #20
Convince you that he can win the primaries? thesquanderer Sep 2014 #22
1st he has to be a dem nt gwheezie Sep 2014 #23
See post 24 that I posted while you were posting 23. ;-) thesquanderer Sep 2014 #25
Except that each of them - including Dukakis - actually *DID* convince enough people. baldguy Sep 2014 #34
I was talking about which ones won in the general election. thesquanderer Sep 2014 #41
Who here has expressed anything ... NanceGreggs Sep 2014 #30
Answering your question thesquanderer Sep 2014 #36
Thank you for your civil ... NanceGreggs Sep 2014 #42
I agree with most of what you said thesquanderer Sep 2014 #43
Sadly ... NanceGreggs Sep 2014 #44
I like what you said! LynneSin Sep 2014 #38
I like both Schweitzer and O'Malley, personally (nt) Recursion Sep 2014 #31
I like Kirsten Gillibrand myself justiceischeap Sep 2014 #35
My only issue with Sanders is age. If that makes me ageist then so be it LynneSin Sep 2014 #37
I agree. LuvNewcastle Sep 2014 #45
Regardless of who Jamaal510 Sep 2014 #46
I'm not anti-Sanders, I just do not believe he would be capable of winning the GE MohRokTah Sep 2014 #47
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