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In reply to the discussion: Facts Our Party Will Not Officially Admit, That It Must [View all]Dreamer Tatum
(10,995 posts)50. Jeez louise.
1. The preceding "administration" was a dictatorship.
As evidenced by its willingness to leave and transition to another Administration? What a fucking ridiculous statement this is.
2. Failure to understand and publicly acknowledge this, increases the likelihood of a recurrence
So by tautology, any Republican POTUS is a dictator.
What magnanimous dictators we've had, subjecting themselves to the same orderly and lawful transition of power we've had since the late 18th century.
3. The militarization of police forces undertaken in the Bush era was not just some kooky right-wing lark with tragic, unintended consequences - it was undertaken in anticipation that Americans would resist when seeing their families, friends, and neighbors being dragged away in the night for political reasons.
The why has the phenomenon only increased in the last 6 years, when a non-dictator has been in charge? Wait, I already know the answer. BHO isn't really in charge. "TBTB" and the "MIC" are.
4. The US media actively silenced nearly all criticism of Bush and his policies. With few and rare exceptions, it behaved as a monolithic propaganda machine regurgitating verbatim talking points from Bush political operatives and neither sought nor tolerated publication/broadcasting of any contrary fact in its coverage. But there was a loophole in that propaganda system out of which grew a strong and vigorous resistance: The internet. That loophole will not exist next time. If we allow things to go that far, we will learn what life is like for the netizens of China and Iran, with critical comments and news articles disappeared the moment they're posted, and lawsuits on the matter dismissed with impunity by conservative courts.
This is simply stupid.
5. An election where the legally eligible voters denied the right to vote outnumber the deciding margin...is a rigged election, and leaders who obtain office in such a way have no right to it. Every time Republicans do this and get away with it, they will take it a step further next time. Eventually they will stop pretending that elections need to occur at all before they assume the powers they grant to themselves via money, corrupt courts, and guns.
You have a faint pulse of a point here.
6. George W. Bush's two Supreme Court appointees are illegitimate due to the dictatorial circumstances of his rule, the naked fraudulence of his original "election," and the deliberately-sought impossibility of verifying the legitimacy of his second. All decisions resting on their votes are null and void, including (but not limited to) Citizens United, the striking down of preclearance provisions of the Voting Rights Act, and (less importantly, but still worth noting) the Hobby Lobby ruling. This is merely in addition to the fundamental illegitimacy and lawlessness of those rulings on their face.
So was the pro-Obamacare ruling fraudulent and illegitimate, too? What about the other ones they got right (according to you, anyway...)
7. The current Republican House "Majority" is illegitimate and has no lawful authority. The American people voted for a Democratic House majority in 2012, and the arbitrarily-drawn districts invented by Republicans simply countermanded their will. There are no valid complicating factors such as a constitutionally-mandated electoral system in this case - the House of Representatives is meant to be representative, and Republicans have thoroughly and treasonously subverted that, making themselves open enemies of freedom and democracy.
Can you expand on this with facts, assuming you can distinguish between fact and opinion?
8. Deliberate attempts to suppress legitimate voting are treason. They are open warfare on the republic and the Constitution. Rights must be asserted and defended as if lives depend on them, because they do.
So far the only thing you've said that makes any sense.
As evidenced by its willingness to leave and transition to another Administration? What a fucking ridiculous statement this is.
2. Failure to understand and publicly acknowledge this, increases the likelihood of a recurrence
So by tautology, any Republican POTUS is a dictator.
3. The militarization of police forces undertaken in the Bush era was not just some kooky right-wing lark with tragic, unintended consequences - it was undertaken in anticipation that Americans would resist when seeing their families, friends, and neighbors being dragged away in the night for political reasons.
The why has the phenomenon only increased in the last 6 years, when a non-dictator has been in charge? Wait, I already know the answer. BHO isn't really in charge. "TBTB" and the "MIC" are.
4. The US media actively silenced nearly all criticism of Bush and his policies. With few and rare exceptions, it behaved as a monolithic propaganda machine regurgitating verbatim talking points from Bush political operatives and neither sought nor tolerated publication/broadcasting of any contrary fact in its coverage. But there was a loophole in that propaganda system out of which grew a strong and vigorous resistance: The internet. That loophole will not exist next time. If we allow things to go that far, we will learn what life is like for the netizens of China and Iran, with critical comments and news articles disappeared the moment they're posted, and lawsuits on the matter dismissed with impunity by conservative courts.
This is simply stupid.
5. An election where the legally eligible voters denied the right to vote outnumber the deciding margin...is a rigged election, and leaders who obtain office in such a way have no right to it. Every time Republicans do this and get away with it, they will take it a step further next time. Eventually they will stop pretending that elections need to occur at all before they assume the powers they grant to themselves via money, corrupt courts, and guns.
You have a faint pulse of a point here.
6. George W. Bush's two Supreme Court appointees are illegitimate due to the dictatorial circumstances of his rule, the naked fraudulence of his original "election," and the deliberately-sought impossibility of verifying the legitimacy of his second. All decisions resting on their votes are null and void, including (but not limited to) Citizens United, the striking down of preclearance provisions of the Voting Rights Act, and (less importantly, but still worth noting) the Hobby Lobby ruling. This is merely in addition to the fundamental illegitimacy and lawlessness of those rulings on their face.
So was the pro-Obamacare ruling fraudulent and illegitimate, too? What about the other ones they got right (according to you, anyway...)
7. The current Republican House "Majority" is illegitimate and has no lawful authority. The American people voted for a Democratic House majority in 2012, and the arbitrarily-drawn districts invented by Republicans simply countermanded their will. There are no valid complicating factors such as a constitutionally-mandated electoral system in this case - the House of Representatives is meant to be representative, and Republicans have thoroughly and treasonously subverted that, making themselves open enemies of freedom and democracy.
Can you expand on this with facts, assuming you can distinguish between fact and opinion?
8. Deliberate attempts to suppress legitimate voting are treason. They are open warfare on the republic and the Constitution. Rights must be asserted and defended as if lives depend on them, because they do.
So far the only thing you've said that makes any sense.
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the Dems just don't want to call them out. They think they'll get killed. Literally.
librechik
Sep 2014
#5
I agree, our leaders are physically afraid of the GOP's terrorist leanings.
True Blue Door
Sep 2014
#7
who got anthrax? Where's Paul Wellstone today? How is President Kennedy enjoying his retirement?
yurbud
Sep 2014
#101
Are you suggesting these points should be part of the Democratic Party Platform?
el_bryanto
Sep 2014
#2
Well I agree that we need to make voter suppression a key issue in the upcoming election
el_bryanto
Sep 2014
#18
The Democratic Party leadership are cowards and have been since November 22, 1963.
Scuba
Sep 2014
#31
I don't think it would be possible to miss the point any more than that.
True Blue Door
Sep 2014
#19
In case you are series, your post can be taken in more than one way. It appears to me that you
rhett o rick
Sep 2014
#184
he wanted Gauntanemo closed and moved to the Thomas Correctional Center in Illnois.
m-lekktor
Sep 2014
#90
That's not a military facility. It has no institutional connection to Gitmo.
True Blue Door
Sep 2014
#92
It really seems to make you uncomfortable to have people disagree with you....
Oktober
Sep 2014
#151
"before they assume the powers they grant to themselves via money, corrupt courts, and guns"
Triana
Sep 2014
#21
Pretty much. Their internet cesspools are usually full of unmoderated threats of assassination.
True Blue Door
Sep 2014
#30
people still believe this wonderfully effective commercial branding from the gun industry?
LanternWaste
Sep 2014
#105
You seriously believe they didn't exhaust every option before satisfying themselves
True Blue Door
Sep 2014
#38
+1 It's corruption, not fear, that leaves the Democratic Party silent on these issues.
Scuba
Sep 2014
#35
Finding one who agrees with me on every single one of my 8 points would be challenging.
True Blue Door
Sep 2014
#148
seriously? you make the claim that finding any for EACH would be easy, and you don't
cali
Sep 2014
#159
trolling? YOU have a lot of nerve, dear. No, as I point out they're scarcer than hen's teeth.
cali
Sep 2014
#185
Probably, but Bush was heinous enough on his own to justify calling him a dictator.
True Blue Door
Sep 2014
#97
Then there was the glee he showed when they told him the price of gas at the pump.
Spitfire of ATJ
Sep 2014
#99
The Carter administration trained and funded Savak, the Shah of Iran's secret police torturers.
True Blue Door
Sep 2014
#95
I have to disagree with #7. Every two years there are 435 separate elections for
totodeinhere
Sep 2014
#53
yup, voters failed to understand the importance of 2010 election and the Dems failed to tell them
librechik
Sep 2014
#72
No, a majority of people in a majority of House districts voted for the Republican.
totodeinhere
Sep 2014
#100
No your analogy doesn't work because by law each House district must have
totodeinhere
Sep 2014
#190
Not even close. Population per Rep. varies by as much as 59% from state to state.
True Blue Door
Sep 2014
#191
Non-violent protest works just fine under most circumstances if people are committed.
True Blue Door
Sep 2014
#79
A loan buyback program is pretty far removed from a mass street-protest.
True Blue Door
Sep 2014
#162
As much as I agree with most of what you say, Obama is not blameless in all of this.
Welibs
Sep 2014
#108
The continuous tantrum of the Republicans during the Clinton years resulting in his bogus impeachment
Denis 11
Sep 2014
#141
bwahahahaha. you live in an alternate "reality" and your knowledge of history is slim.
cali
Sep 2014
#187
The Government doesn't work for us. We work for them. We are thoroughly owned and operated.
whereisjustice
Sep 2014
#128