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101. Science requires testing and until they are tested by disinterested parties

Reply to HuckleB (Reply #3)

Thu Sep 18, 2014, 05:48 PM

Sep 2014

gmo's cannot be considered safe.

It is called the Precautionary Principle.

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Report: Rich Hollywood Anti-Vaxxers are DIRECTLY RESPONSIBLE for Deadly Whooping Cough Epidemic [View all] HuckleB Sep 2014 OP

The rich Hollywood anti-vaxxers are on my list of Extremely Annoying People Who Should Louisiana1976 Sep 2014 #1

Yep. Wait Wut Sep 2014 #2

Indeed! HuckleB Sep 2014 #6

Sometimes all they have to do... Archae Sep 2014 #52

Yup. HuckleB Sep 2014 #3

I found a disturbing example of the anti-GMO movement. Archae Sep 2014 #40

Yup. I know. Too many scientists forget how little they know. HuckleB Sep 2014 #44

Of course. Archae Sep 2014 #51

All true (not bought off by industry) scientists are against gmo's Tumbulu Sep 2014 #99

I don't "repeat propaganda." Archae Sep 2014 #104

Sorry pal, you guys here on DU Tumbulu Sep 2014 #135

And... even when things are tested properly by people not associated with the success... HuckleB Sep 2014 #146

Did you click that user's profile? alp227 Sep 2014 #158

Well, the name says it all, already. HuckleB Sep 2014 #162

I agree with both what you've said and with this article... Archae Sep 2014 #167

Oh the mighty insults! Tumbulu Sep 2014 #217

Oh yes, some anonymous poster on DU Tumbulu Sep 2014 #100

The "precautionary principle" as you choose to pretend it exists... HuckleB Sep 2014 #116

It is the dominant principle worldwide Tumbulu Sep 2014 #134

As you define it, it is not. HuckleB Sep 2014 #144

Science requires testing and until they are tested by disinterested parties Tumbulu Sep 2014 #101

Then use actual science. Archae Sep 2014 #106

All the scientists from around the world Tumbulu Sep 2014 #133

"Scientists who don't agree with me have been bought off..." Archae Sep 2014 #139

I love how you link to a blog as 'proof'. So science-y. nt laundry_queen Sep 2014 #151

In that case, a blog is all that is needed. HuckleB Sep 2014 #154

LOL yes, that's exactly what I'm trying to say laundry_queen Sep 2014 #174

The post is about Jeffery Smith. HuckleB Sep 2014 #175

It is pathetic Tumbulu Sep 2014 #184

Your anti-vaccine responses appear to be meaningless, and, thus, pathetic. Yes. HuckleB Sep 2014 #186

I don't think that he can give them a bad name laundry_queen Sep 2014 #190

Your baseless claims are meaningless. HuckleB Sep 2014 #197

Except I'm not anti-vaccine, so your insults are also meaningless. nt laundry_queen Sep 2014 #198

Your posts are anti-vaccine, and that's what matters. HuckleB Sep 2014 #209

Never once have they been, that's only in your mind. nt laundry_queen Sep 2014 #214

LOL!!!!!! HuckleB Sep 2014 #216

Anytime. laundry_queen Sep 2014 #226

I'm sure you have! HuckleB Sep 2014 #227

Never did that. But you know that. Thanks for another chuckle. nt laundry_queen Sep 2014 #230

I'm sorry that reality is not your friend. HuckleB Sep 2014 #233

Yeah, I'm kind of thinking that's a heap load of projection right there. laundry_queen Sep 2014 #237

I am a scientist and it outrages me that this narrow Tumbulu Sep 2014 #207

Post removed Post removed Sep 2014 #218

Oh, what is your degree in then? Tumbulu Sep 2014 #223

Name that logical fallacy!!!! HuckleB Sep 2014 #225

You haven't answered...what degree in the science field do you hold? U4ikLefty Sep 2014 #258

Umm. Really? HuckleB Sep 2014 #150

And the precautionary principle is illogical. alp227 Sep 2014 #252

Hollywood is passé. Isn't the LA Times familiar with the latest scapegoats cited by Dr. Paul Offit? proverbialwisdom Sep 2014 #257

Looking over your posts you are pretty much pro science upaloopa Sep 2014 #4

I see GE technology as a valid tool. HuckleB Sep 2014 #7

I guess you have no room for the possibility upaloopa Sep 2014 #10

Of course I do. HuckleB Sep 2014 #11

Ok I appreciate that upaloopa Sep 2014 #13

This message was self-deleted by its author Dont call me Shirley Sep 2014 #12

They are beginning to be that way Puzzledtraveller Sep 2014 #16

I find burning incense to the alter of science upaloopa Sep 2014 #22

me too, very limiting Tumbulu Sep 2014 #103

It does limit your preconceived notions. HuckleB Sep 2014 #114

So understanding that logic has limits = "altar of science"? alp227 Sep 2014 #253

"Do their own research." HuckleB Sep 2014 #34

You don't get to define other people. upaloopa Sep 2014 #107

You don't get to have your own "research." HuckleB Sep 2014 #113

Yep. And it may be louder, but it's not more valid. nt laundry_queen Sep 2014 #153

Actual peer-review and consensus is more valid than conspiracy silliness. HuckleB Sep 2014 #160

Well thankfully I know the difference, laundry_queen Sep 2014 #178

Your posts indicate that science is not your friend. HuckleB Sep 2014 #248

LOL. exactly right. alp227 Sep 2014 #159

If you've "done your own research," then support your arguments. HuckleB Sep 2014 #112

It is strange, and at least IMO, seems a bit organized. CentralMass Sep 2014 #202

that is a different subject. do you not believe in vaccines? still_one Sep 2014 #85

It's hilarious when "Pro-Science" is used by an insult. It's like the climate change deniers. chrisa Sep 2014 #145

du rec. xchrom Sep 2014 #5

I blame it on Andrew Wakefield and his irresponsible and fraudulent study on MMR and autism. Spider Jerusalem Sep 2014 #8

Absolutely. Wakefield (and others) have caused far too much suffering and deaths. HuckleB Sep 2014 #9

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Since they didn't do any such thing, that might be a reason. HuckleB Sep 2014 #110

Are you calling Dr. Thompson (of the CDC) a liar? cureautismnow Sep 2014 #119

You just offered a single "scientist," presented via a rather bizarre website. HuckleB Sep 2014 #122

It was HIS study at the CDC. cureautismnow Sep 2014 #125

His "study" was not published in a peer reviewed journal. HuckleB Sep 2014 #127

Are you saying that CDC studies are not peer-reviewed? Really? cureautismnow Sep 2014 #131

You keep missing reality. HuckleB Sep 2014 #132

You lied and you were caught in your lie, so you deflected. cureautismnow Sep 2014 #137

No, I didn't. HuckleB Sep 2014 #140

You really are divorced from reality. You did lie. cureautismnow Sep 2014 #149

Thank you for proving me even more right. HuckleB Sep 2014 #152

In a research area where more than 1,000 papers are published every year, cheapdate Sep 2014 #181

Why don't you answer his direct question? Tumbulu Sep 2014 #138

I've answered all his questions directly. HuckleB Sep 2014 #141

I guess you have a serious reading comprehension problem Tumbulu Sep 2014 #220

Explain your claim and support it with a consensus of peer-reviewed evidence. HuckleB Sep 2014 #222

There's peer reviewed evidence laundry_queen Sep 2014 #234

But you're not an anti-vaccine parrot? HuckleB Sep 2014 #236

If you think that's anti-vaccine, I guess all my scientist friends are all laundry_queen Sep 2014 #238

"All my scientist friends." HuckleB Sep 2014 #239

Relatives too. I have those. laundry_queen Sep 2014 #244

That's really, really COOOLLLL! HuckleB Sep 2014 #246

Jury results WilliamPitt Sep 2014 #263

cureautismnow - you might really lower your blood pressure and truedelphi Sep 2014 #249

Yeah, man! Ignore the science!!! HuckleB Sep 2014 #250

You wouldn't know science if it came up to you and bit you truedelphi Sep 2014 #261

Jury results oneshooter Sep 2014 #205

Dang. HuckleB Sep 2014 #215

Science is great, unless it is conducted by VESTED INTERESTS Dont call me Shirley Sep 2014 #14

So you see science as propaganda? HuckleB Sep 2014 #15

everyone serves themselves, first. Puzzledtraveller Sep 2014 #17

So, you're a libertarian, then? HuckleB Sep 2014 #23

Bull. Not everyone is that jaded. Most scientists are not. HERVEPA Sep 2014 #53

Good try, HuckleBerry Finn. Science becomes propaganda when the science is created to Dont call me Shirley Sep 2014 #18

That's always a possibility. HuckleB Sep 2014 #24

Isn't that what the climate change deniers say? nt geek tragedy Sep 2014 #32

Its definiteley what the creationists say bhikkhu Sep 2014 #118

If a scientist works for a corporation to develop upaloopa Sep 2014 #19

Sure. HuckleB Sep 2014 #29

I don't understand why you say what you do upaloopa Sep 2014 #102

I don't care. HuckleB Sep 2014 #126

No, corporations of today sole exisistence is to increase profits. Dont call me Shirley Sep 2014 #39

"Science" conducted by vested interests is NOT science. Period. n/t CaliforniaPeggy Sep 2014 #21

"Vested interests" is propaganda and not science. HuckleB Sep 2014 #25

+100 Duppers Sep 2014 #28

In this case, she missed the nail completely. HuckleB Sep 2014 #31

Of course it is. NYC Liberal Sep 2014 #36

Well said, Peggy! n/t. bvf Sep 2014 #78

She said nothing of value. HuckleB Sep 2014 #115

This sounds like bait. bvf Sep 2014 #187

You would have to explain what Peggy said. HuckleB Sep 2014 #251

Just as I thought. bvf Sep 2014 #259

And anti-vax propagandists don't have vested interests? Hissyspit Sep 2014 #62

Such as? Dont call me Shirley Sep 2014 #64

Such as Andrew Wakefield holding a patent on a single measles vaccine? For instance. Spider Jerusalem Sep 2014 #97

Then he truly wasn't ant-vax. Dont call me Shirley Sep 2014 #98

He was not, just wanted them to be given separately Tumbulu Sep 2014 #142

So, he could make millions off of it! HuckleB Sep 2014 #147

No one makes money off of vaccines Tumbulu Sep 2014 #180

LOL! HuckleB Sep 2014 #183

Where did you get that idea? Tumbulu Sep 2014 #193

Your anti-vaccine nonsense is noted. HuckleB Sep 2014 #194

Post removed Post removed Sep 2014 #203

Why would I be in need of medical help? HuckleB Sep 2014 #206

Did you actually read my post? Tumbulu Sep 2014 #211

How could I conclude that the fictions you present are fiction? HuckleB Sep 2014 #219

You consider it fiction that vaccines are central to a civilized society? Tumbulu Sep 2014 #224

In addition, I worked in a biological division of a pharmaceutical company Tumbulu Sep 2014 #200

Name that logical fallacy!!!! HuckleB Sep 2014 #221

Ha! Funny how the same loons who complain about real scientists "being bought" alp227 Sep 2014 #254

Thanks and a big fuck you to anti vaccination crusaders. Initech Sep 2014 #20

E-X-A-C-T-L-Y!!!!!!! HuckleB Sep 2014 #26

We need to develop a vaccine for people who can only attack instead of reason Dont call me Shirley Sep 2014 #27

Wouldn't that be nice. HuckleB Sep 2014 #30

Reason is wasted on anti-vaxxers as they geek tragedy Sep 2014 #33

DUzy! Well done, geek tragedy! n/t FourScore Sep 2014 #42

we sure need that on DU Tumbulu Sep 2014 #105

But if you are vaccinated, you won't. yeoman6987 Sep 2014 #35

Herd immunity is why. NYC Liberal Sep 2014 #37

Well still their choice yeoman6987 Sep 2014 #38

Not when your "choice" harms everyone else. NYC Liberal Sep 2014 #41

I would agree with you if it were true. Take the example of my kids... FourScore Sep 2014 #48

Ridiculous argument HERVEPA Sep 2014 #55

You asked me already. yeoman6987 Sep 2014 #65

How very Ayn Rand. nt geek tragedy Sep 2014 #58

Your gone! yeoman6987 Sep 2014 #61

Nope, still here. nt geek tragedy Sep 2014 #69

That's not bullying. HuckleB Sep 2014 #120

This message was self-deleted by its author Rex Sep 2014 #67

"Your gone!" zappaman Sep 2014 #70

Not mine. nt geek tragedy Sep 2014 #71

IT'S MY CHOICE TO ENDANGER OTHERS!!! zappaman Sep 2014 #74

Disease vectors are people, my friend. nt geek tragedy Sep 2014 #77

You should put that on a shirt MattBaggins Sep 2014 #163

Don't hate people for their freedumbs! Rex Sep 2014 #84

So IF you have a nuclear weapon strapped onto your body and go out in public Rex Sep 2014 #73

IT'S MY CHOICE TO HAVE RICIN AT MY HOUSE!!!! zappaman Sep 2014 #76

Your gone two! nt geek tragedy Sep 2014 #79

Your gone three! nt Rex Sep 2014 #82

Know. I'm still hear! n/t zappaman Sep 2014 #83

Yeah...all I can do is get sick from it and die...but HEY don't want to Rex Sep 2014 #80

Kids are going to love my hanging Plutonium rods for Halloween. Perfect haunted house glow. chrisa Sep 2014 #157

+1,000,000 ... 000 HuckleB Sep 2014 #164

Plutonium isn't really dangerous. Big pharma wants you to buy Potassium Iodide. chrisa Sep 2014 #166

Red herring is still tasty, eh? HuckleB Sep 2014 #169

Oh for fuck's sake... Hissyspit Sep 2014 #63

I CHOOSE to keep Venomous cobras zappaman Sep 2014 #72

Oh your gone too yeoman6987 Sep 2014 #128

You know damn well that "your choice" MattBaggins Sep 2014 #161

That is such a flabbergastingly terrible argument I don't even know where to begin. NuclearDem Sep 2014 #185

I doubt it treestar Sep 2014 #266

You can be vaccinated for something and still end up with that illness... Dr Hobbitstein Sep 2014 #49

The choice to bring back deadly diseases that can wipe out millions? Rex Sep 2014 #68

You are probably gone too MattBaggins Sep 2014 #165

Gone long ago, no doubt. Rex Sep 2014 #256

That is false. Some vaccinated people are at risk. Mariana Sep 2014 #89

Please read this piece, and please don't repeat bad science. HuckleB Sep 2014 #117

Learn2epidemiology NuclearDem Sep 2014 #156

Well, that's not entirely true. A vaccine does not offer 100% immunity to an individual Recursion Sep 2014 #231

some of the most selfish people on earth. deliberately putting the elderly, the newborn, immune La Lioness Priyanka Sep 2014 #57

Actually, the problem is that only one or two SheilaT Sep 2014 #90

It's the educated idiots crowd MattBaggins Sep 2014 #168

Hey HuckleBerry Finn, why did you not blame the Fundy Christians who refuse to vaccinate? Dont call me Shirley Sep 2014 #43

Who said I didn't blame them? HuckleB Sep 2014 #46

The article you cited bears no reference to Fundy Christian groups, nor did you in post. Dont call me Shirley Sep 2014 #60

because the article is about a specific location, not particularly overrun my fundies. La Lioness Priyanka Sep 2014 #66

The article states actress Jenny McCarthy and Actor Rob Schneider. Are they a place? Dont call me Shirley Sep 2014 #75

actually the article specifically talks about LA. nt La Lioness Priyanka Sep 2014 #81

But the healine says RICH HOLLYWOOD ANTI-VAXXERS, and the article cites the two above. Dont call me Shirley Sep 2014 #86

Surely you are just nitpicking. zappaman Sep 2014 #87

And the nitpicking goes both ways. My kids are vaccinated. Dont call me Shirley Sep 2014 #91

its not in most vaccines La Lioness Priyanka Sep 2014 #95

Flu and pneumovax. The drug companies still need to clean up all the vaccines. Dont call me Shirley Sep 2014 #96

yes, which means its not in any of these vaccines that people are not giving their kids. La Lioness Priyanka Sep 2014 #108

The flu vaccine is given to kids and pregnant women. They're still getting mercury injections. Dont call me Shirley Sep 2014 #111

The flu vaccine never contained enough mercury to be concerned. HuckleB Sep 2014 #124

Have a conversation with someone who knows a lot more about that than you Dont call me Shirley Sep 2014 #264

Not a true statement MattBaggins Sep 2014 #177

It's a very true statement. HuckleB Sep 2014 #188

Mercury is not toxic in "any amount" MattBaggins Sep 2014 #191

Thimerosal was removed from all children's vaccines in 2001 bhikkhu Sep 2014 #123

Exactly!!!!!! HuckleB Sep 2014 #189

I worked on three clinical phase injectable drugs MattBaggins Sep 2014 #173

yes, because in places like LA (which is what the article is specifically referring to) La Lioness Priyanka Sep 2014 #92

Ok so this is what happens when two lionesses encounter one another Dont call me Shirley Sep 2014 #93

or people talk in circles. nt La Lioness Priyanka Sep 2014 #94

Ah, so you were being disingenuous from the start. HuckleB Sep 2014 #121

The anti vaxers keep moving the goal posts. MattBaggins Sep 2014 #170

(oops, meant to respond to the OP, moved to #172) ucrdem Sep 2014 #171

My grandson's school is in West LA Blue_In_AK Sep 2014 #45

+1 HuckleB Sep 2014 #47

I'm not sure how it was that my doctor had samples Blue_In_AK Sep 2014 #50

I remember getting my sugar cube Art_from_Ark Sep 2014 #88

Without that vaccine you could have very well MattBaggins Sep 2014 #196

Yes, I know. Blue_In_AK Sep 2014 #212

"a resurgence appears to be their goal" KamaAina Sep 2014 #54

.. La Lioness Priyanka Sep 2014 #59

+2 nomorenomore08 Sep 2014 #260

no shit. nt La Lioness Priyanka Sep 2014 #56

unfortunatley - many vulnerable parents of autistic children have fallen for this hoax, perhaps in Douglas Carpenter Sep 2014 #129

Too true, and yet... HuckleB Sep 2014 #130

that's true most parents of autistic children and most adults with autims Douglas Carpenter Sep 2014 #136

+1 HuckleB Sep 2014 #143

"Climate change was invented to make Al Gore / the climate change industry lots of money!" chrisa Sep 2014 #148

Vaccines are not associated with autism: An evidence-based meta-analysis of case-control and cohort Douglas Carpenter Sep 2014 #155

CDC: "no vaccine is 100% safe or effective. ucrdem Sep 2014 #172

Can you admit that "a brisk clip" is a ridiculous verb to utilize? HuckleB Sep 2014 #176

The verb is "pays," and the USG has been paying vax damages for 28 yrs. ucrdem Sep 2014 #179

Can you admit that it has nothing to do with causation? HuckleB Sep 2014 #204

I'll admit your response has nothing to do with what I posted. ucrdem Sep 2014 #208

You've posted nothing that has anything to do the OP. HuckleB Sep 2014 #247

National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program - link: ucrdem Sep 2014 #182

Do you not understand that science is not represented well by juries? HuckleB Sep 2014 #192

"The U. S. Court of Federal Claims decides who will be paid." nt ucrdem Sep 2014 #195

Which means what, exactly? HuckleB Sep 2014 #199

It means people are injured by vaccines. nt ucrdem Sep 2014 #201

It means we've decided to give money for correlation, not causation... HuckleB Sep 2014 #240

Are you deluded enough to believe that no one has a reaction to a vaccine? Tumbulu Sep 2014 #213

Why can't you respond to the actual content of my posts? HuckleB Sep 2014 #229

Please seek medical help Tumbulu Sep 2014 #242

Wow! HuckleB Sep 2014 #245

The style of your rhetoric is a turn off and is counterproductive Tumbulu Sep 2014 #210

Take a look at your other posts on this particular topic. HuckleB Sep 2014 #228

So you actually think that a politician would get votes Tumbulu Sep 2014 #232

Presenting the reality of the consensus of evidence is "bullying?" HuckleB Sep 2014 #235

You bully non stop and you don't even read people's posts Tumbulu Sep 2014 #241

So, you make baseless accusations, repeatedly. HuckleB Sep 2014 #243

+1 A Little Weird Sep 2014 #262

Sometimes I really miss the unrec button arikara Sep 2014 #255

DU rec... SidDithers Sep 2014 #265