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MattBaggins

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170. The anti vaxers keep moving the goal posts.

Reply to Dont call me Shirley (Reply #60)

Thu Sep 18, 2014, 09:31 PM

Sep 2014

They are concerned that pharm companies are adding eye of newt and pixie dust.

I worked on a process development team for purification of clinical phase monoclonal antibodies. The products were safe and purified. Our standards were above ANY OTHER INDUSTRY. I will bet my left testicle that the ground up roots and berries from the local "All Natural" voodoo store are no where near as pure nor as rigorously tested.

The concern is manufactured and idiotic.

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Report: Rich Hollywood Anti-Vaxxers are DIRECTLY RESPONSIBLE for Deadly Whooping Cough Epidemic [View all] HuckleB Sep 2014 OP

The rich Hollywood anti-vaxxers are on my list of Extremely Annoying People Who Should Louisiana1976 Sep 2014 #1

Yep. Wait Wut Sep 2014 #2

Indeed! HuckleB Sep 2014 #6

Sometimes all they have to do... Archae Sep 2014 #52

Yup. HuckleB Sep 2014 #3

I found a disturbing example of the anti-GMO movement. Archae Sep 2014 #40

Yup. I know. Too many scientists forget how little they know. HuckleB Sep 2014 #44

Of course. Archae Sep 2014 #51

All true (not bought off by industry) scientists are against gmo's Tumbulu Sep 2014 #99

I don't "repeat propaganda." Archae Sep 2014 #104

Sorry pal, you guys here on DU Tumbulu Sep 2014 #135

And... even when things are tested properly by people not associated with the success... HuckleB Sep 2014 #146

Did you click that user's profile? alp227 Sep 2014 #158

Well, the name says it all, already. HuckleB Sep 2014 #162

I agree with both what you've said and with this article... Archae Sep 2014 #167

Oh the mighty insults! Tumbulu Sep 2014 #217

Oh yes, some anonymous poster on DU Tumbulu Sep 2014 #100

The "precautionary principle" as you choose to pretend it exists... HuckleB Sep 2014 #116

It is the dominant principle worldwide Tumbulu Sep 2014 #134

As you define it, it is not. HuckleB Sep 2014 #144

Science requires testing and until they are tested by disinterested parties Tumbulu Sep 2014 #101

Then use actual science. Archae Sep 2014 #106

All the scientists from around the world Tumbulu Sep 2014 #133

"Scientists who don't agree with me have been bought off..." Archae Sep 2014 #139

I love how you link to a blog as 'proof'. So science-y. nt laundry_queen Sep 2014 #151

In that case, a blog is all that is needed. HuckleB Sep 2014 #154

LOL yes, that's exactly what I'm trying to say laundry_queen Sep 2014 #174

The post is about Jeffery Smith. HuckleB Sep 2014 #175

It is pathetic Tumbulu Sep 2014 #184

Your anti-vaccine responses appear to be meaningless, and, thus, pathetic. Yes. HuckleB Sep 2014 #186

I don't think that he can give them a bad name laundry_queen Sep 2014 #190

Your baseless claims are meaningless. HuckleB Sep 2014 #197

Except I'm not anti-vaccine, so your insults are also meaningless. nt laundry_queen Sep 2014 #198

Your posts are anti-vaccine, and that's what matters. HuckleB Sep 2014 #209

Never once have they been, that's only in your mind. nt laundry_queen Sep 2014 #214

LOL!!!!!! HuckleB Sep 2014 #216

Anytime. laundry_queen Sep 2014 #226

I'm sure you have! HuckleB Sep 2014 #227

Never did that. But you know that. Thanks for another chuckle. nt laundry_queen Sep 2014 #230

I'm sorry that reality is not your friend. HuckleB Sep 2014 #233

Yeah, I'm kind of thinking that's a heap load of projection right there. laundry_queen Sep 2014 #237

I am a scientist and it outrages me that this narrow Tumbulu Sep 2014 #207

Post removed Post removed Sep 2014 #218

Oh, what is your degree in then? Tumbulu Sep 2014 #223

Name that logical fallacy!!!! HuckleB Sep 2014 #225

You haven't answered...what degree in the science field do you hold? U4ikLefty Sep 2014 #258

Umm. Really? HuckleB Sep 2014 #150

And the precautionary principle is illogical. alp227 Sep 2014 #252

Hollywood is passé. Isn't the LA Times familiar with the latest scapegoats cited by Dr. Paul Offit? proverbialwisdom Sep 2014 #257

Looking over your posts you are pretty much pro science upaloopa Sep 2014 #4

I see GE technology as a valid tool. HuckleB Sep 2014 #7

I guess you have no room for the possibility upaloopa Sep 2014 #10

Of course I do. HuckleB Sep 2014 #11

Ok I appreciate that upaloopa Sep 2014 #13

This message was self-deleted by its author Dont call me Shirley Sep 2014 #12

They are beginning to be that way Puzzledtraveller Sep 2014 #16

I find burning incense to the alter of science upaloopa Sep 2014 #22

me too, very limiting Tumbulu Sep 2014 #103

It does limit your preconceived notions. HuckleB Sep 2014 #114

So understanding that logic has limits = "altar of science"? alp227 Sep 2014 #253

"Do their own research." HuckleB Sep 2014 #34

You don't get to define other people. upaloopa Sep 2014 #107

You don't get to have your own "research." HuckleB Sep 2014 #113

Yep. And it may be louder, but it's not more valid. nt laundry_queen Sep 2014 #153

Actual peer-review and consensus is more valid than conspiracy silliness. HuckleB Sep 2014 #160

Well thankfully I know the difference, laundry_queen Sep 2014 #178

Your posts indicate that science is not your friend. HuckleB Sep 2014 #248

LOL. exactly right. alp227 Sep 2014 #159

If you've "done your own research," then support your arguments. HuckleB Sep 2014 #112

It is strange, and at least IMO, seems a bit organized. CentralMass Sep 2014 #202

that is a different subject. do you not believe in vaccines? still_one Sep 2014 #85

It's hilarious when "Pro-Science" is used by an insult. It's like the climate change deniers. chrisa Sep 2014 #145

du rec. xchrom Sep 2014 #5

I blame it on Andrew Wakefield and his irresponsible and fraudulent study on MMR and autism. Spider Jerusalem Sep 2014 #8

Absolutely. Wakefield (and others) have caused far too much suffering and deaths. HuckleB Sep 2014 #9

Post removed Post removed Sep 2014 #109

Since they didn't do any such thing, that might be a reason. HuckleB Sep 2014 #110

Are you calling Dr. Thompson (of the CDC) a liar? cureautismnow Sep 2014 #119

You just offered a single "scientist," presented via a rather bizarre website. HuckleB Sep 2014 #122

It was HIS study at the CDC. cureautismnow Sep 2014 #125

His "study" was not published in a peer reviewed journal. HuckleB Sep 2014 #127

Are you saying that CDC studies are not peer-reviewed? Really? cureautismnow Sep 2014 #131

You keep missing reality. HuckleB Sep 2014 #132

You lied and you were caught in your lie, so you deflected. cureautismnow Sep 2014 #137

No, I didn't. HuckleB Sep 2014 #140

You really are divorced from reality. You did lie. cureautismnow Sep 2014 #149

Thank you for proving me even more right. HuckleB Sep 2014 #152

In a research area where more than 1,000 papers are published every year, cheapdate Sep 2014 #181

Why don't you answer his direct question? Tumbulu Sep 2014 #138

I've answered all his questions directly. HuckleB Sep 2014 #141

I guess you have a serious reading comprehension problem Tumbulu Sep 2014 #220

Explain your claim and support it with a consensus of peer-reviewed evidence. HuckleB Sep 2014 #222

There's peer reviewed evidence laundry_queen Sep 2014 #234

But you're not an anti-vaccine parrot? HuckleB Sep 2014 #236

If you think that's anti-vaccine, I guess all my scientist friends are all laundry_queen Sep 2014 #238

"All my scientist friends." HuckleB Sep 2014 #239

Relatives too. I have those. laundry_queen Sep 2014 #244

That's really, really COOOLLLL! HuckleB Sep 2014 #246

Jury results WilliamPitt Sep 2014 #263

cureautismnow - you might really lower your blood pressure and truedelphi Sep 2014 #249

Yeah, man! Ignore the science!!! HuckleB Sep 2014 #250

You wouldn't know science if it came up to you and bit you truedelphi Sep 2014 #261

Jury results oneshooter Sep 2014 #205

Dang. HuckleB Sep 2014 #215

Science is great, unless it is conducted by VESTED INTERESTS Dont call me Shirley Sep 2014 #14

So you see science as propaganda? HuckleB Sep 2014 #15

everyone serves themselves, first. Puzzledtraveller Sep 2014 #17

So, you're a libertarian, then? HuckleB Sep 2014 #23

Bull. Not everyone is that jaded. Most scientists are not. HERVEPA Sep 2014 #53

Good try, HuckleBerry Finn. Science becomes propaganda when the science is created to Dont call me Shirley Sep 2014 #18

That's always a possibility. HuckleB Sep 2014 #24

Isn't that what the climate change deniers say? nt geek tragedy Sep 2014 #32

Its definiteley what the creationists say bhikkhu Sep 2014 #118

If a scientist works for a corporation to develop upaloopa Sep 2014 #19

Sure. HuckleB Sep 2014 #29

I don't understand why you say what you do upaloopa Sep 2014 #102

I don't care. HuckleB Sep 2014 #126

No, corporations of today sole exisistence is to increase profits. Dont call me Shirley Sep 2014 #39

"Science" conducted by vested interests is NOT science. Period. n/t CaliforniaPeggy Sep 2014 #21

"Vested interests" is propaganda and not science. HuckleB Sep 2014 #25

+100 Duppers Sep 2014 #28

In this case, she missed the nail completely. HuckleB Sep 2014 #31

Of course it is. NYC Liberal Sep 2014 #36

Well said, Peggy! n/t. bvf Sep 2014 #78

She said nothing of value. HuckleB Sep 2014 #115

This sounds like bait. bvf Sep 2014 #187

You would have to explain what Peggy said. HuckleB Sep 2014 #251

Just as I thought. bvf Sep 2014 #259

And anti-vax propagandists don't have vested interests? Hissyspit Sep 2014 #62

Such as? Dont call me Shirley Sep 2014 #64

Such as Andrew Wakefield holding a patent on a single measles vaccine? For instance. Spider Jerusalem Sep 2014 #97

Then he truly wasn't ant-vax. Dont call me Shirley Sep 2014 #98

He was not, just wanted them to be given separately Tumbulu Sep 2014 #142

So, he could make millions off of it! HuckleB Sep 2014 #147

No one makes money off of vaccines Tumbulu Sep 2014 #180

LOL! HuckleB Sep 2014 #183

Where did you get that idea? Tumbulu Sep 2014 #193

Your anti-vaccine nonsense is noted. HuckleB Sep 2014 #194

Post removed Post removed Sep 2014 #203

Why would I be in need of medical help? HuckleB Sep 2014 #206

Did you actually read my post? Tumbulu Sep 2014 #211

How could I conclude that the fictions you present are fiction? HuckleB Sep 2014 #219

You consider it fiction that vaccines are central to a civilized society? Tumbulu Sep 2014 #224

In addition, I worked in a biological division of a pharmaceutical company Tumbulu Sep 2014 #200

Name that logical fallacy!!!! HuckleB Sep 2014 #221

Ha! Funny how the same loons who complain about real scientists "being bought" alp227 Sep 2014 #254

Thanks and a big fuck you to anti vaccination crusaders. Initech Sep 2014 #20

E-X-A-C-T-L-Y!!!!!!! HuckleB Sep 2014 #26

We need to develop a vaccine for people who can only attack instead of reason Dont call me Shirley Sep 2014 #27

Wouldn't that be nice. HuckleB Sep 2014 #30

Reason is wasted on anti-vaxxers as they geek tragedy Sep 2014 #33

DUzy! Well done, geek tragedy! n/t FourScore Sep 2014 #42

we sure need that on DU Tumbulu Sep 2014 #105

But if you are vaccinated, you won't. yeoman6987 Sep 2014 #35

Herd immunity is why. NYC Liberal Sep 2014 #37

Well still their choice yeoman6987 Sep 2014 #38

Not when your "choice" harms everyone else. NYC Liberal Sep 2014 #41

I would agree with you if it were true. Take the example of my kids... FourScore Sep 2014 #48

Ridiculous argument HERVEPA Sep 2014 #55

You asked me already. yeoman6987 Sep 2014 #65

How very Ayn Rand. nt geek tragedy Sep 2014 #58

Your gone! yeoman6987 Sep 2014 #61

Nope, still here. nt geek tragedy Sep 2014 #69

That's not bullying. HuckleB Sep 2014 #120

This message was self-deleted by its author Rex Sep 2014 #67

"Your gone!" zappaman Sep 2014 #70

Not mine. nt geek tragedy Sep 2014 #71

IT'S MY CHOICE TO ENDANGER OTHERS!!! zappaman Sep 2014 #74

Disease vectors are people, my friend. nt geek tragedy Sep 2014 #77

You should put that on a shirt MattBaggins Sep 2014 #163

Don't hate people for their freedumbs! Rex Sep 2014 #84

So IF you have a nuclear weapon strapped onto your body and go out in public Rex Sep 2014 #73

IT'S MY CHOICE TO HAVE RICIN AT MY HOUSE!!!! zappaman Sep 2014 #76

Your gone two! nt geek tragedy Sep 2014 #79

Your gone three! nt Rex Sep 2014 #82

Know. I'm still hear! n/t zappaman Sep 2014 #83

Yeah...all I can do is get sick from it and die...but HEY don't want to Rex Sep 2014 #80

Kids are going to love my hanging Plutonium rods for Halloween. Perfect haunted house glow. chrisa Sep 2014 #157

+1,000,000 ... 000 HuckleB Sep 2014 #164

Plutonium isn't really dangerous. Big pharma wants you to buy Potassium Iodide. chrisa Sep 2014 #166

Red herring is still tasty, eh? HuckleB Sep 2014 #169

Oh for fuck's sake... Hissyspit Sep 2014 #63

I CHOOSE to keep Venomous cobras zappaman Sep 2014 #72

Oh your gone too yeoman6987 Sep 2014 #128

You know damn well that "your choice" MattBaggins Sep 2014 #161

That is such a flabbergastingly terrible argument I don't even know where to begin. NuclearDem Sep 2014 #185

I doubt it treestar Sep 2014 #266

You can be vaccinated for something and still end up with that illness... Dr Hobbitstein Sep 2014 #49

The choice to bring back deadly diseases that can wipe out millions? Rex Sep 2014 #68

You are probably gone too MattBaggins Sep 2014 #165

Gone long ago, no doubt. Rex Sep 2014 #256

That is false. Some vaccinated people are at risk. Mariana Sep 2014 #89

Please read this piece, and please don't repeat bad science. HuckleB Sep 2014 #117

Learn2epidemiology NuclearDem Sep 2014 #156

Well, that's not entirely true. A vaccine does not offer 100% immunity to an individual Recursion Sep 2014 #231

some of the most selfish people on earth. deliberately putting the elderly, the newborn, immune La Lioness Priyanka Sep 2014 #57

Actually, the problem is that only one or two SheilaT Sep 2014 #90

It's the educated idiots crowd MattBaggins Sep 2014 #168

Hey HuckleBerry Finn, why did you not blame the Fundy Christians who refuse to vaccinate? Dont call me Shirley Sep 2014 #43

Who said I didn't blame them? HuckleB Sep 2014 #46

The article you cited bears no reference to Fundy Christian groups, nor did you in post. Dont call me Shirley Sep 2014 #60

because the article is about a specific location, not particularly overrun my fundies. La Lioness Priyanka Sep 2014 #66

The article states actress Jenny McCarthy and Actor Rob Schneider. Are they a place? Dont call me Shirley Sep 2014 #75

actually the article specifically talks about LA. nt La Lioness Priyanka Sep 2014 #81

But the healine says RICH HOLLYWOOD ANTI-VAXXERS, and the article cites the two above. Dont call me Shirley Sep 2014 #86

Surely you are just nitpicking. zappaman Sep 2014 #87

And the nitpicking goes both ways. My kids are vaccinated. Dont call me Shirley Sep 2014 #91

its not in most vaccines La Lioness Priyanka Sep 2014 #95

Flu and pneumovax. The drug companies still need to clean up all the vaccines. Dont call me Shirley Sep 2014 #96

yes, which means its not in any of these vaccines that people are not giving their kids. La Lioness Priyanka Sep 2014 #108

The flu vaccine is given to kids and pregnant women. They're still getting mercury injections. Dont call me Shirley Sep 2014 #111

The flu vaccine never contained enough mercury to be concerned. HuckleB Sep 2014 #124

Have a conversation with someone who knows a lot more about that than you Dont call me Shirley Sep 2014 #264

Not a true statement MattBaggins Sep 2014 #177

It's a very true statement. HuckleB Sep 2014 #188

Mercury is not toxic in "any amount" MattBaggins Sep 2014 #191

Thimerosal was removed from all children's vaccines in 2001 bhikkhu Sep 2014 #123

Exactly!!!!!! HuckleB Sep 2014 #189

I worked on three clinical phase injectable drugs MattBaggins Sep 2014 #173

yes, because in places like LA (which is what the article is specifically referring to) La Lioness Priyanka Sep 2014 #92

Ok so this is what happens when two lionesses encounter one another Dont call me Shirley Sep 2014 #93

or people talk in circles. nt La Lioness Priyanka Sep 2014 #94

Ah, so you were being disingenuous from the start. HuckleB Sep 2014 #121

The anti vaxers keep moving the goal posts. MattBaggins Sep 2014 #170

(oops, meant to respond to the OP, moved to #172) ucrdem Sep 2014 #171

My grandson's school is in West LA Blue_In_AK Sep 2014 #45

+1 HuckleB Sep 2014 #47

I'm not sure how it was that my doctor had samples Blue_In_AK Sep 2014 #50

I remember getting my sugar cube Art_from_Ark Sep 2014 #88

Without that vaccine you could have very well MattBaggins Sep 2014 #196

Yes, I know. Blue_In_AK Sep 2014 #212

"a resurgence appears to be their goal" KamaAina Sep 2014 #54

.. La Lioness Priyanka Sep 2014 #59

+2 nomorenomore08 Sep 2014 #260

no shit. nt La Lioness Priyanka Sep 2014 #56

unfortunatley - many vulnerable parents of autistic children have fallen for this hoax, perhaps in Douglas Carpenter Sep 2014 #129

Too true, and yet... HuckleB Sep 2014 #130

that's true most parents of autistic children and most adults with autims Douglas Carpenter Sep 2014 #136

+1 HuckleB Sep 2014 #143

"Climate change was invented to make Al Gore / the climate change industry lots of money!" chrisa Sep 2014 #148

Vaccines are not associated with autism: An evidence-based meta-analysis of case-control and cohort Douglas Carpenter Sep 2014 #155

CDC: "no vaccine is 100% safe or effective. ucrdem Sep 2014 #172

Can you admit that "a brisk clip" is a ridiculous verb to utilize? HuckleB Sep 2014 #176

The verb is "pays," and the USG has been paying vax damages for 28 yrs. ucrdem Sep 2014 #179

Can you admit that it has nothing to do with causation? HuckleB Sep 2014 #204

I'll admit your response has nothing to do with what I posted. ucrdem Sep 2014 #208

You've posted nothing that has anything to do the OP. HuckleB Sep 2014 #247

National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program - link: ucrdem Sep 2014 #182

Do you not understand that science is not represented well by juries? HuckleB Sep 2014 #192

"The U. S. Court of Federal Claims decides who will be paid." nt ucrdem Sep 2014 #195

Which means what, exactly? HuckleB Sep 2014 #199

It means people are injured by vaccines. nt ucrdem Sep 2014 #201

It means we've decided to give money for correlation, not causation... HuckleB Sep 2014 #240

Are you deluded enough to believe that no one has a reaction to a vaccine? Tumbulu Sep 2014 #213

Why can't you respond to the actual content of my posts? HuckleB Sep 2014 #229

Please seek medical help Tumbulu Sep 2014 #242

Wow! HuckleB Sep 2014 #245

The style of your rhetoric is a turn off and is counterproductive Tumbulu Sep 2014 #210

Take a look at your other posts on this particular topic. HuckleB Sep 2014 #228

So you actually think that a politician would get votes Tumbulu Sep 2014 #232

Presenting the reality of the consensus of evidence is "bullying?" HuckleB Sep 2014 #235

You bully non stop and you don't even read people's posts Tumbulu Sep 2014 #241

So, you make baseless accusations, repeatedly. HuckleB Sep 2014 #243

+1 A Little Weird Sep 2014 #262

Sometimes I really miss the unrec button arikara Sep 2014 #255

DU rec... SidDithers Sep 2014 #265