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Donald Ian Rankin

(13,598 posts)
21. I disagree - I think that purely ceremonial monarchy is quite a good idea.
Fri Sep 19, 2014, 03:31 AM
Sep 2014

" Tories saying it ought to be preserved because it was clever, and Radicals saying it ought to be destroyed because it was stupid, and all the time no one saw that it was right because it was stupid, " -G.K.Chesterton, "The Napoleon of Notting Hill" (actually talking about something slightly different, but the quote is apposite here).



I think that purely ceremonial monarchy is quite a good system.

How often have you heard people saying about e.g. George Bush "You may not respect the individual, but you have a duty to respect the office he holds, so moderate your criticism"?

The great virtue of a hereditary monarchy is that one can say "You may respect the individual (conversely, you may think he is a fatuous big-eared fool who talks to plants), but you have a duty not to respect the office he holds".

I think that it is healthy to separate the individual who serves as a ceremonial focus from patriotism from the individual who actually runs the country. If you're doing that, you want to make sure that the ceremonial individual does not hold any power, and that it is universally obvious that their views carry no weight. And the great virtue of hereditary - better even than lottery - is that it makes it absolutely clear that the holder has no kind of mandate for any kind of power whatsoever.

The big scandal in British politics is not the monarchy, it's the House of Lords, which does actually wield power. (Also, the civil list should be smaller, but that doesn't matter so much).

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Well, for now. Ken Burch Sep 2014 #1
Those are unlikely before the next parliament. Spider Jerusalem Sep 2014 #3
Do the Scots really think they will ever see these "new powers"? theHandpuppet Sep 2014 #5
It's hard to tell if that won the day Ken Burch Sep 2014 #11
Cameron cannot act unilaterally MohRokTah Sep 2014 #6
He needs to couple it with an English Parliament(or regional assemblies for England) Ken Burch Sep 2014 #12
This message was self-deleted by its author guyton Sep 2014 #2
Kick. Agschmid Sep 2014 #4
Congrats to the UK on still being the UK! (nt) Nye Bevan Sep 2014 #7
The actual Nye Bevan would NEVER say anything like that. Ken Burch Sep 2014 #10
Well.... Canada and Australia haven't got that message yet, Nye Bevan Sep 2014 #13
A few more embarrassments from the Battenbergs and it'll sink in. Ken Burch Sep 2014 #14
Tell the Swedes, the Belgians, the Norwegians, the Dutch, the Danes, the Spanish, the Japanese... Spider Jerusalem Sep 2014 #15
And those are all silly, too. Ken Burch Sep 2014 #16
Not really that silly. Spider Jerusalem Sep 2014 #17
It is a thing of the past treestar Sep 2014 #23
Notice how they all have something in common LittleBlue Sep 2014 #19
And they'd still be constitutional monarchies if the UK were still the dominant world power (n/t) Spider Jerusalem Sep 2014 #20
I disagree - I think that purely ceremonial monarchy is quite a good idea. Donald Ian Rankin Sep 2014 #21
This can mean only one thing... TlalocW Sep 2014 #8
They shall use, THE BLANCMANGE! MohRokTah Sep 2014 #9
OMG! freshwest Sep 2014 #24
Oh Nooooo... Murray Did Win It... ChiciB1 Sep 2014 #18
Ah, the dream of Scottish independence is dead, it was kilt. betsuni Sep 2014 #22
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