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196. Still waiting! I know! I still hold that book's theme as my ideal society, frankly. If

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Fri Sep 19, 2014, 08:02 AM

Sep 2014

only we had managed to do something like that -- how much happier everyone would be. Sigh.

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If the US had a vote to split into Red America and Blue America, how would you vote? [View all] DanTex Sep 2014 OP

Didn't this happen once before? derby378 Sep 2014 #1

I'm talking about a vote, not a civil war. DanTex Sep 2014 #2

I wonder how much people's reactions to this will be based on where they live el_bryanto Sep 2014 #3

Probably a lot. DanTex Sep 2014 #4

So you didn't really like anybody in Texas? You thought they were all assholes? nt el_bryanto Sep 2014 #11

Umm, what? No. DanTex Sep 2014 #13

But you don't want to be in the same country as them? nt el_bryanto Sep 2014 #14

Nothing personal, it's based on the policies that could be passed if not DanTex Sep 2014 #20

Still - doesn't seem very neighborly. nt el_bryanto Sep 2014 #25

a lot are heaven05 Sep 2014 #70

Yes - and if there's one thing New York is known for - it's Niceness. nt el_bryanto Sep 2014 #77

no it's not heaven05 Sep 2014 #82

So then we should stick together? or balkanize? nt el_bryanto Sep 2014 #83

we're already 'balkanized" heaven05 Sep 2014 #135

I don't think you know what the term balkanization refers to. el_bryanto Sep 2014 #141

well, bryant heaven05 Sep 2014 #148

Harper's Magazine had an article in 1988 about "The Balkanization of America". Manifestor_of_Light Sep 2014 #150

thank you heaven05 Sep 2014 #153

If you're tring to be sarcatic, you're just flat out wrong. HERVEPA Sep 2014 #87

Famous for it. el_bryanto Sep 2014 #89

Still can't figure out whether you're being sarcastic. HERVEPA Sep 2014 #91

More Sarcastic about the whole idea. el_bryanto Sep 2014 #93

OK. HERVEPA Sep 2014 #118

Well, you type angry New Yorker and the videos start piling up on YouTube snooper2 Sep 2014 #119

There are eight million of us. So yeah, there are more angry, nice, indifferent, etc. NYers stevenleser Sep 2014 #126

The little guy was a lot uncomfortable to listen to, Kalidurga Sep 2014 #156

One time when I was in New York (Manhattan), Art_from_Ark Sep 2014 #173

The trumpet player doesn't suck. He blows and he's atrocious. I don't blame the dude for telling.... BlueJazz Sep 2014 #176

You do that New York includes way more land and people than just NYC, right? DeadLetterOffice Sep 2014 #184

Wow. Have you ever been here? DanTex Sep 2014 #92

I don't dislike New Yorkeres. I dislike New Yorkers that think my part of the country is shit. el_bryanto Sep 2014 #94

So why do you want to be in the same union, then? BlindTiresias Sep 2014 #103

Some New Yorkers are Assholes. Not all New Yorkers are assholes. el_bryanto Sep 2014 #104

Which ones are assholes? BlindTiresias Sep 2014 #106

The ones that want to kick us out of the union. el_bryanto Sep 2014 #107

Lol BlindTiresias Sep 2014 #108

Well yeah - but I'm not trying to kick New York out of the Union. el_bryanto Sep 2014 #109

I'm actually in favor of gradual dissolution BlindTiresias Sep 2014 #111

So, you hate the South in general? Or do you like Southern conservatives? cordelia Sep 2014 #143

One thing that made the Scottish vote possible ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2014 #15

And it was a separate country in the past. The US was not. n/t FSogol Sep 2014 #18

Tell that to Texas tkmorris Sep 2014 #128

Does Texas want to rejoin Mexico? FSogol Sep 2014 #131

I can show you my land grant signed by Anson Jones. Manifestor_of_Light Sep 2014 #151

But only Texans. While folks from Vermont, Hawaii and California/Nevada don't. ieoeja Sep 2014 #159

Right, that's one reason it will probably never happen in the US. DanTex Sep 2014 #23

Yes, that is definitely a show stopper for the US IMO. n/t RKP5637 Sep 2014 #79

I'm afraid WI would go red although it's presented as blue on that map. HereSince1628 Sep 2014 #27

I live in Massachusetts and am wondering why merrily Sep 2014 #160

Underlying current of discontent with the government. BlindTiresias Sep 2014 #168

That's what the right is like when it is proud and fulfilled? merrily Sep 2014 #170

Yeah why wouldn't they be feeling good? BlindTiresias Sep 2014 #193

I don't know about the pros in the politics business, but I think the merrily Sep 2014 #198

Boredom. DeadLetterOffice Sep 2014 #183

I'd vote yes. tblue Sep 2014 #5

If it could be done democratically, state by state, without bloodshed, yes. Tierra_y_Libertad Sep 2014 #6

I would do the same. No way would I ever live in a republican hellhole again! n/t RKP5637 Sep 2014 #85

Wasn't it Karl Rove who popularized the idea of "red states" and "blue states" CJCRANE Sep 2014 #7

According to Wikipedia, the terms were coined by Tim Russert in 2000. DanTex Sep 2014 #9

All for it Blue_Adept Sep 2014 #8

I'd vote "no" if for no other reason than I live in a red state. Coventina Sep 2014 #10

Assume a sort of Schengen Area agreement. Chan790 Sep 2014 #21

Well....I just landed a tenure-track faculty position where I am...are we assuming I'd get the same? Coventina Sep 2014 #28

Yeah, if this happens, I wouldn't envy professors stuck in red state faculty positions. DanTex Sep 2014 #43

Congrats ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2014 #45

Thanks. I know how incredibly lucky I am, and how many qualified people also applied. Coventina Sep 2014 #117

Does your institution have the 30-30-30 rule for tenure? ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2014 #121

No, it's a community college so it's more like 75% teaching and 25% service Coventina Sep 2014 #181

My Mom taught at a Community College ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2014 #185

Thanks! It's been a long process, and I know how lucky I am! Coventina Sep 2014 #188

At my Mom's 90th birthday party ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2014 #191

Amen! I am proud to be a product of the CC system, and, while I have taught at the university level Coventina Sep 2014 #197

I don't know...but we have lots of universities... Chan790 Sep 2014 #46

People tend to forget... Whiskeytide Sep 2014 #12

I'm not denying that at all. DanTex Sep 2014 #16

This n/t Blaukraut Sep 2014 #26

Agree! The republicans throughout history have dragged the US down with ignorance, RKP5637 Sep 2014 #90

+1 Dems to Win Sep 2014 #101

Right on! Louisiana1976 Sep 2014 #158

Just remember that a lot of those "blue" states Art_from_Ark Sep 2014 #186

Arizonan, nodding his head, here. eom 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2014 #19

There are no "Blue" states either. former9thward Sep 2014 #22

Termites. Your state has them or will have them. Eleanors38 Sep 2014 #84

I for one would vote to stay in the Union. If I lost I would be a sore loser. gordianot Sep 2014 #17

There was no vote in the Civil War. former9thward Sep 2014 #30

There was some voting during the Civil War for Secession. gordianot Sep 2014 #64

I prefer to think of it as us allowing the South to vote to expel themselves. Chan790 Sep 2014 #38

Being in a red state I would resist and end up dead, I would have considerable company. gordianot Sep 2014 #74

They wouldn't fail BlindTiresias Sep 2014 #75

No. Iggo Sep 2014 #24

No erpowers Sep 2014 #29

Oh, good! Another divisive us vs them post cordelia Sep 2014 #31

How is this divisive? DanTex Sep 2014 #33

How is it not? cordelia Sep 2014 #35

Well, because I don't see how it is. I think if you're making the accusation, you should support it DanTex Sep 2014 #41

Read the responses in this thread to your hypothetical question and explain cordelia Sep 2014 #63

Again, you're making the accusation, you back it up. DanTex Sep 2014 #65

The responses in this thread prove that it's an us vs them type of question. cordelia Sep 2014 #80

Your map is ridiculous marions ghost Sep 2014 #32

The map is based on state-wide results of presidential elections. DanTex Sep 2014 #37

The map I posted is also based on election results marions ghost Sep 2014 #51

We do have arbitrary lines BlindTiresias Sep 2014 #60

Look at Scotland's representation in Parliament marions ghost Sep 2014 #68

Well BlindTiresias Sep 2014 #73

OK marions ghost Sep 2014 #98

The american experiment is already a failure, though? BlindTiresias Sep 2014 #100

"Acknowledging failure..." marions ghost Sep 2014 #110

Very few people acknowledge failure BlindTiresias Sep 2014 #113

I don't do too much wishfulness these days marions ghost Sep 2014 #122

Turning failure into success? BlindTiresias Sep 2014 #127

You may be right marions ghost Sep 2014 #140

It's not that simple. Hugabear Sep 2014 #162

Well BlindTiresias Sep 2014 #165

Thank you oldandhappy Sep 2014 #133

Yeah much more informative.... marions ghost Sep 2014 #136

It's a serious question, but obviously it isn't going to happen? Dreamer Tatum Sep 2014 #34

Yes, a serious question, you know, like "do you support single payer healthcare?" DanTex Sep 2014 #39

Single payer will happen. Splitting up the country won't. nt Dreamer Tatum Sep 2014 #44

I doubt it. Still, the point is, I don't see a problem discussing hypotheticals. DanTex Sep 2014 #48

Why stop at two? The2ndWheel Sep 2014 #36

That's a good question. DanTex Sep 2014 #40

You should read a book titled "the Nine Nations of North America" whathehell Sep 2014 #56

A newer book is "Better Off without 'Em" by Chuck Thompson. It is serious and Nay Sep 2014 #102

Interesting..Is his opinion that the US should separate by region or whathehell Sep 2014 #180

He has several ideas about how to divide up the states, but basically it is Nay Sep 2014 #189

It sounds good.. whathehell Sep 2014 #194

I would vote No, Dan. bravenak Sep 2014 #42

Were it similar to the Scottish vote hifiguy Sep 2014 #47

I'd vote NO. We're all in this together. Heck I think we should coordinate more with other countries pampango Sep 2014 #49

We barely cooperate as it is BlindTiresias Sep 2014 #67

Since WWII I think Europeans have believed that our neighbor's problems are our problems. pampango Sep 2014 #96

Potentially BlindTiresias Sep 2014 #99

More attempts to divide, divide, divide, woo me with science Sep 2014 #50

Thank you! marions ghost Sep 2014 #53

Sadly BlindTiresias Sep 2014 #72

I'd vote for independence for California taught_me_patience Sep 2014 #52

Vote to split it. Faux pas Sep 2014 #54

They would just double down BlindTiresias Sep 2014 #59

Yes, they would, and I'm frankly in favor of them getting what they say Nay Sep 2014 #105

Yep I don't understand Faux pas Sep 2014 #138

I'd vote for California to be independent. Xithras Sep 2014 #55

Vote to dissolve the union? BlindTiresias Sep 2014 #57

Don't kid yourself sadoldgirl Sep 2014 #58

Not sure BlindTiresias Sep 2014 #62

Their state governments, and their representatives and senators Mariana Sep 2014 #172

I'd vote yes Liberalynn Sep 2014 #61

I'd vote yes for the same reason except I live in Illinois so I'd make the IL Republicans move Louisiana1976 Sep 2014 #163

No rock Sep 2014 #66

Unlikely BlindTiresias Sep 2014 #76

There is no viable plan to split it into two...not based on Red/Blue, antway. Drunken Irishman Sep 2014 #69

A constitutional amendment allowing states a secession vote would do it. BillZBubb Sep 2014 #114

I think the split has to be geographically equitable... grasswire Sep 2014 #71

They get to have Colorado and New Mexico, so it's a fair trade Blaukraut Sep 2014 #78

The reason you can have such stark sections carved out is gerrymandering KittyWampus Sep 2014 #81

In the end, everbody retires to Florida! Eleanors38 Sep 2014 #86

Give it 10 years Texas will be purple too - TBF Sep 2014 #88

"No" brooklynite Sep 2014 #95

Just say NO to Balkanization 0rganism Sep 2014 #97

My devious side thinks a yes vote would be wonderful... BillZBubb Sep 2014 #112

Eh, yeah I guess BlindTiresias Sep 2014 #115

I wouldn't mind a blue side union with Canada. It would give us single payer. Louisiana1976 Sep 2014 #164

and a lot more... BillZBubb Sep 2014 #179

I would like to not have to fight the idiot ideas that come out of conservative leaders adigal Sep 2014 #116

Well... BlindTiresias Sep 2014 #120

Always, everything, for THE UNION! eom MohRokTah Sep 2014 #123

I'm sick of red state morons having undue influence Arugula Latte Sep 2014 #124

No d_r Sep 2014 #125

I'd probably vote No. But I would have to consider it, particularly since... stevenleser Sep 2014 #129

Against, the monster of any majority Boom Sound 416 Sep 2014 #130

I believe a number of science fiction stories have been based on the idea of a Balkanized US LongTomH Sep 2014 #132

The map doesn't tell the whole story though. ZombieHorde Sep 2014 #134

I would vote no. Blue_In_AK Sep 2014 #137

I cannot fathom how it would work. CanonRay Sep 2014 #139

hell yeah Doctor_J Sep 2014 #142

Yes AngryAmish Sep 2014 #144

Very few States are permanently one way or the other DFW Sep 2014 #145

Against. D voters are typically numerous in cities in both the red and blue areas Corruption Inc Sep 2014 #146

I'm in purple Florida!! Can we split into N. Florida and S. Florida? Sancho Sep 2014 #147

I want California, Oregon, and Washington to secede and form a nation. Zorra Sep 2014 #149

There's a book about that split -- it's called Ecotopia by Ernest Callenbach. It's Nay Sep 2014 #190

Yes, thanks. Zorra Sep 2014 #195

Still waiting! I know! I still hold that book's theme as my ideal society, frankly. If Nay Sep 2014 #196

BlueState, elleng Sep 2014 #152

I'd love for the Pacific NW to branch off... liberalmuse Sep 2014 #154

For only one thing, what happens if a state or group of states switches? merrily Sep 2014 #155

I'd vote No because.. Matrosov Sep 2014 #157

Cascadia! HuckleB Sep 2014 #161

Cascadia sounds nice BlindTiresias Sep 2014 #166

I live in a Blue State (CT). I don't what to split into colored states (nt) bigwillq Sep 2014 #167

The racial demographics would be interesting. Captain Stern Sep 2014 #169

If one went by congressional districts, this is what the nations would look like Kaleva Sep 2014 #171

The red half would probably return to slavery. moondust Sep 2014 #174

if we really wanted to split like that, it would really be cities vs not-cities. not state vs state. La Lioness Priyanka Sep 2014 #175

The point is scottland should be a US wake up call as it seems like we are "united" in name only PFunk Sep 2014 #177

So the country could even be more divided? Rex Sep 2014 #178

Either way, I'd be on the front lines, so no win situation. politicat Sep 2014 #182

Good question. I honestly don't know. NaturalHigh Sep 2014 #187

yes. Warren Stupidity Sep 2014 #192