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berni_mccoy

(23,018 posts) Fri Sep 19, 2014, 09:37 AM Sep 2014

Is Obama Lying Us Into Another War In The Middle East For Oil? [View all]

Because I'm not seeing it.

Calling this Obama's War as if it were Bush's War, is ridiculous. Making it seem like Obama is no better than Bush on this is also lacking in any perspective on reality. What's happening now is STILL Bush's War. This is happening because we were lied into a war 11 years ago. Obama is still on clean-up duty from Bush's mess.

Obama is not using the specter of a Mushroom Cloud.

Obama is not claiming they will use WMD against us.

Obama is not using 16 words in his State of the Union speech to rally the American Public into a bloodthirsty frenzy of war.

Obama *is* doing damage control. Damage that was created 11 years ago and we all know damn well who created it.

Any dissension among the Democrats regarding this war in the middle east is about how it should be cleaned up. Almost everyone agrees that it should be cleaned up. Don't turn this into a divisive war-vs-anti-war stance, because that would simply lead to catastrophic failure this November.

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Is Obama Lying Us Into Another War In The Middle East For Oil? [View all] berni_mccoy Sep 2014 OP

Obama also taking hits for NOT WANTING to go to war. Entire media is in disconnect mode. blm Sep 2014 #1

Oil is decidely a piece of this. that's obvious and there's not much denial of it. cali Sep 2014 #2

Question ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2014 #22

Because ISIS owns some oil fields and they are glowing Sep 2014 #40

ISIS owns some oil fields, and is undercutting OPEC??? bvar22 Sep 2014 #82

I read this here in an article her last week.. and apparently its supposed to be "common knowledge" glowing Sep 2014 #87

This did start over a pipeline Assad wouldn't allow Cayenne Sep 2014 #115

War = Death = PROFIT = War blkmusclmachine Sep 2014 #3

Post removed Post removed Sep 2014 #32

Nice rw phraseology--use of "Barry" geek tragedy Sep 2014 #54

The only time I see references to "Barry" is by the right wing.. Peacetrain Sep 2014 #57

Maybe because of the images it conjures loyalsister Sep 2014 #116

"no organization" -- this is changing. Take a look. Peace is possible. Not only that Voice for Peace Sep 2014 #67

Who the f is Barry?! maced666 Sep 2014 #74

Manilow? berni_mccoy Sep 2014 #75

He writes the songs .... kwassa Sep 2014 #89

He's the reason we can't have nice things! FrodosPet Sep 2014 #105

Obama is transitioning America from the Rumsfeld doctrine CJCRANE Sep 2014 #4

I think your assessment is spot on. berni_mccoy Sep 2014 #10

That's pretty much the way I see it too. Stellar Sep 2014 #14

Saw this in Viet-Nam warrant46 Sep 2014 #39

Yep, he's changing the dance but not the song. Marr Sep 2014 #59

You mean Obama is trying..... bobGandolf Sep 2014 #110

K & R. n/t FSogol Sep 2014 #5

We are the problem, not the solution in Iraq. How many years of failure will it take for war grahamhgreen Sep 2014 #6

Evidence, beyond a blog source, that we knowingly equipped and trained ISIS. TwilightGardener Sep 2014 #8

there is little doubt that a some former Iraqi military have joined ISIS cali Sep 2014 #11

I have seen it posited many times here that we intentionally equipped and trained TwilightGardener Sep 2014 #15

nah. it's ct stuff to think that we armed ISIS cali Sep 2014 #16

The Iraqi army we trained intentionally abandoned the goods to ISIS: grahamhgreen Sep 2014 #94

right. that's what I said in my previous post. cali Sep 2014 #104

Reality is the evidence. 99Forever Sep 2014 #31

So... you got nothing. No proof, just insistence that it's true. TwilightGardener Sep 2014 #33

I have no interest in your silliness. 99Forever Sep 2014 #60

Iraqi generals knowingly abandoned equipment to ISIS. Some were prosecuted. Need a link? grahamhgreen Sep 2014 #53

Oh I don't know Caretha Sep 2014 #90

So, you're saying we should continue Bush's war without end for political gain? Tierra_y_Libertad Sep 2014 #7

Hmmm, did I say that? berni_mccoy Sep 2014 #9

Yes. You did. Tierra_y_Libertad Sep 2014 #13

You are saying I said two things berni_mccoy Sep 2014 #44

What he is saying... JayhawkSD Sep 2014 #12

Was Hilter a ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2014 #27

No zipplewrath Sep 2014 #35

This ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2014 #36

Not violence zipplewrath Sep 2014 #79

What does enforcing international laws, waging law enforcement look like. eom 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2014 #81

Cheney is in jail zipplewrath Sep 2014 #99

IOWs ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2014 #108

Sure I do zipplewrath Sep 2014 #112

"he is enamored with the use of violence" Voice for Peace Sep 2014 #38

I know, huh? eom. 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2014 #51

I laid out the case zipplewrath Sep 2014 #78

The case you have laid has nothing to do with being enamored, Voice for Peace Sep 2014 #80

Distinction looking for a difference zipplewrath Sep 2014 #85

I call it your point of view. Voice for Peace Sep 2014 #88

Forget the sematics zipplewrath Sep 2014 #98

You seem to think that ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2014 #83

Considering vs. doing zipplewrath Sep 2014 #84

No ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2014 #86

You really want an semantic arguement? zipplewrath Sep 2014 #97

9 times out of 10? ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2014 #107

Not following zipplewrath Sep 2014 #111

Okay ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2014 #113

Examples? zipplewrath Sep 2014 #114

Bush & Cheney were a "real and imminent threat" to Iraq. OnyxCollie Sep 2014 #43

What does that have to do with the current discussion? eom. 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2014 #49

If you're going to compare the "real and imminent threat" OnyxCollie Sep 2014 #56

No ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2014 #68

You're backpedaling from your previous posts. OnyxCollie Sep 2014 #96

How so? 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2014 #106

+1 leftstreet Sep 2014 #64

Obama hasn't said ISIS poses a threat to the US. It poses a threat to the world berni_mccoy Sep 2014 #45

By interests you mean big oil.....? grahamhgreen Sep 2014 #93

No, the motivations are different, but the results are the same. FlatStanley Sep 2014 #17

If Americans won't die, then it's not accurate geek tragedy Sep 2014 #21

I actually care if people die regardless of their nationality. FlatStanley Sep 2014 #55

There is already a war with mass carnage geek tragedy Sep 2014 #58

who says Americans won't die? cali Sep 2014 #69

I was basing it on that person's argument. geek tragedy Sep 2014 #71

Yes. whatchamacallit Sep 2014 #18

The Utopian-Left will attack him on everything not 100% Utopia Amonester Sep 2014 #19

Some of us have integrity, and abhor the horror and suffering of war even when it's a Democrat Maedhros Sep 2014 #47

Next, they will accuse us, "realists" of having no integrity... Amonester Sep 2014 #61

I'll do it right now. Maedhros Sep 2014 #62

I welcome your hatred... Amonester Sep 2014 #63

It has little to do with being "utopian left"- something I am decidedly not. cali Sep 2014 #70

Don't like the left? Feel free to go elsewhere, then. Scootaloo Sep 2014 #102

War is a racket. Kinda' like marriage. ReRe Sep 2014 #20

Thank you so much berni mccoy for posting this. senz Sep 2014 #23

thank you! ISIS is the blow back from w & Cheney's unneeded war in Iraq. Botany Sep 2014 #24

I agree with you... sendero Sep 2014 #25

There are no good solutions. There are degrees of bad and undesirable. stevenleser Sep 2014 #66

What he's not doing is dismantling the War Machine. nt valerief Sep 2014 #26

ISIS is also supplying oil to someone. gordianot Sep 2014 #28

McCain gave the game away when he said CJCRANE Sep 2014 #29

Obama has done more to 'help' the Iraq gov. & the ME stand on their own- than a trillion dollars of Sunlei Sep 2014 #30

If you're not seeing this is for oil, OnyxCollie Sep 2014 #34

THANK YOU!!! Voice for Peace Sep 2014 #37

Yes. Pretending ISIS is not Islamic, pretending the Saudis are trustworthy allies. Dems to Win Sep 2014 #41

ISIS is as Islamic as the kkk is Christian. eom. 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2014 #52

KKK well represents Christianity as practiced in the Americas for hundreds of years Dems to Win Sep 2014 #65

Okay. eom. 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2014 #72

+1 Jamaal510 Sep 2014 #95

All out WAR would make these guys really happy. $$ Docross Sep 2014 #42

Indeed, Obama is not using the specter of a Mushroom Cloud, and is not claiming WMD Maedhros Sep 2014 #46

Kinda. Orsino Sep 2014 #48

"Almost everyone agrees that it should be cleaned up." Martin Eden Sep 2014 #50

Another question: Can we clean up climate change? Amonester Sep 2014 #73

Another question: Can you clean up your act? Martin Eden Sep 2014 #91

Those are the right questions to ask. berni_mccoy Sep 2014 #76

Good intentions do not necessarily make for good strategy Martin Eden Sep 2014 #92

Answers Scootaloo Sep 2014 #103

President Obama is trying to clean up the mess left by repugs samsingh Sep 2014 #77

Nope it was never about oil. This is genocide... 951-Riverside Sep 2014 #100

You win Sugarcoated Sep 2014 #118

For oil? No. Syria's hardly the biggest oil producer in the world Scootaloo Sep 2014 #101

It's about a gas pipeline to cut Europe's dependence on Russian gas Cayenne Sep 2014 #117

bushes fault obama is repeating bushes mistakes? GummyBearz Sep 2014 #109

Ha! Nice Try berni_mccoy Sep 2014 #119