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djean111

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29. I would still vote for her and not for Hillary. I understand nuance and shit.

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Sens. Warren and Sanders voted against funding Obama's War. [View all] morningfog Sep 2014 OP

K&R 99Forever Sep 2014 #1

K&R!!!!!!!!!! newfie11 Sep 2014 #2

Let's thank ALL 22 of them ... meegbear Sep 2014 #3

All 2016 presidential candidates from the senate can be found morningfog Sep 2014 #5

Are you psychic? tridim Sep 2014 #7

One does not have to be a psychic to see that this action will become Enthusiast Sep 2014 #94

Hardy.... daleanime Sep 2014 #100

Why don't you tell us whether you support Pres Obama's wars? Or is it easier to rhett o rick Sep 2014 #152

OFFS. NealK Sep 2014 #158

Of course neither of my TWO DEMOCRATIC SENATORS... kag Sep 2014 #14

Warren and Markey meegbear Sep 2014 #15

See my #20 below. They are not against the war. They are against arming Syrian rebels. nt stevenleser Sep 2014 #21

Thank you for the info ... meegbear Sep 2014 #26

You're welcome! Here is a link to the full text of the bill... stevenleser Sep 2014 #47

Warren wants action against ISIS, and monitoring of Americans travelling overseas FrodosPet Sep 2014 #133

Sigh. So we need to repeal Carter's EO 12036. sir pball Sep 2014 #221

That lists prooves davidpdx Sep 2014 #18

Considering the vote was to only arm Syrian rebels, there are plenty of reasons to be wary of it stevenleser Sep 2014 #46

Jimmy Carter did? davidpdx Sep 2014 #104

He said he thinks we should attack ISIS and morningfog Sep 2014 #128

List of the brave. Bravo n/t n2doc Sep 2014 #80

This list shows why, as a Californian, I do not support Boxer for re-election BrotherIvan Sep 2014 #98

A fellow Cal Cartoonist Sep 2014 #130

K & R RoccoR5955 Sep 2014 #4

This is why there is no unity among Democrats, liberals, and progressives uwep Sep 2014 #6

Let's remain loyal.... raindaddy Sep 2014 #11

My thoughts EXACTLY. djean111 Sep 2014 #27

That's about the size of it! FiveGoodMen Sep 2014 #89

There will be boots on the ground, soon enough... DeadEyeDyck Sep 2014 #28

you can support someone without agreeing with them 100% of the time Heather MC Sep 2014 #31

A violence Hawk? zipplewrath Sep 2014 #86

um, you forgot about Obama's surge in Afghanistan - more lives lost, more money wasted whereisjustice Sep 2014 #103

I'm afraid it's a lose/lose situation Boreal Sep 2014 #119

Not to worry. Although some here complain (and rightfully so) those who actually do BlueCaliDem Sep 2014 #179

Indeed. They showed their *true* stripes. MannyGoldstein Sep 2014 #8

Our track record on arming the loyal opposition isn't that good. CentralMass Sep 2014 #45

Congress voted to arm and train Islamist rebels CJCRANE Sep 2014 #9

It is absurd. ozone_man Sep 2014 #126

No, you're not alone. I agree with you on every word. hardcover Sep 2014 #153

And that is a good thing to debate. I'm not comfortable with it either. I'm pretty close to Warren stevenleser Sep 2014 #170

So did more than a few others. cali Sep 2014 #10

"Warren: Destroying ISIS should be 'No. 1 priority'" - This vote will hurt her stevenleser Sep 2014 #12

She voted for the war before voting against it... berni_mccoy Sep 2014 #17

I see what's going on here. She is in favor of the airwar, just not in favor of arming Syrian rebels stevenleser Sep 2014 #19

The optics are still bad berni_mccoy Sep 2014 #23

Agreed. It was a bad decision. This would finish her chances in a general election. nt stevenleser Sep 2014 #25

I would still vote for her and not for Hillary. I understand nuance and shit. djean111 Sep 2014 #29

Doesn't matter. Enough people don't understand nuance and shit. nt stevenleser Sep 2014 #33

Nuance: kill without being killed. Nice, clean, sanitized war in perpetuity. FlatStanley Sep 2014 #156

No. In this case Nuance = in favor of airstrikes, not in favor of arming Syrian rebels. nt stevenleser Sep 2014 #166

In favor of death and destruction, very nuanced indeed. FlatStanley Sep 2014 #182

Nuance has nothing to do with particular topic only that two statements are close but subtly stevenleser Sep 2014 #184

They are only subtly different in that one supports death only (armed rebels) FlatStanley Sep 2014 #189

Nearly everyone here does. berni_mccoy Sep 2014 #34

I just believe going along to get along leads to nothing good. djean111 Sep 2014 #38

That's not what this vote was. nt stevenleser Sep 2014 #43

My point exactly, she said defeating ISIS was a NO 1 priority and voted against this bill. Thinkingabout Sep 2014 #61

This is BS Cartoonist Sep 2014 #95

Do you think I am an idiot? Think again, she voted with Ted Cruz. Thinkingabout Sep 2014 #99

Did you call her a paper tiger? Cartoonist Sep 2014 #111

When Elizabeth Warren introduces a bill and is never able to get it passed because Thinkingabout Sep 2014 #102

A flawed bil is a flawed bill Cartoonist Sep 2014 #112

Yep, dont count on EW to ever get the things she is interested in because she Thinkingabout Sep 2014 #115

I will politely ask a couple of questions Cartoonist Sep 2014 #117

The nuclear question has been ask and a treaty signed by many questions. Thinkingabout Sep 2014 #139

Objection! Cartoonist Sep 2014 #144

Would have, should have, could have. Thinkingabout Sep 2014 #149

She's not a serious contender anyway. taught_me_patience Sep 2014 #155

That was during the time IRAQ war had more support Heather MC Sep 2014 #36

Has nothing to do with support. Has to do with a seemingly contradictory position. nt stevenleser Sep 2014 #44

within weeks Warren's position will be mis-characterized on the left wyldwolf Sep 2014 #35

Within weeks? Heck, the OP mis-characterized it today! LOL. But I agree. nt stevenleser Sep 2014 #40

It will become dogma.Vicious arguments will ensue. Facts will be ignored. Insults will be hurled. wyldwolf Sep 2014 #41

Sad to say you are probably right. So far OP has refused to acknowledge the facts here. stevenleser Sep 2014 #49

Well, Kerry never voted against a war. merrily Sep 2014 #151

Seems like I remember that meme too... ReRe Sep 2014 #157

I agree that was an incredibly stupid thing for her to say. Glad she voted against the funding, morningfog Sep 2014 #52

She didnt vote against the funding. She is in favor of the air war. Vote was about Syrian rebels stevenleser Sep 2014 #54

Please provide a link to where other votes to fund the war have been made. morningfog Sep 2014 #57

You're the one making the assertion. Its not up to me to prove a negative. stevenleser Sep 2014 #65

LOL. They voted against a bill to fund the war. You've provided that link. morningfog Sep 2014 #67

That's not what I have been saying and its not what the bill says. nt stevenleser Sep 2014 #78

READ what she said. She is talking about intelligence and diplomacy NOT BOMBS Maven Sep 2014 #141

Only if you make stuff up. "Warren says she supports Obama's decision to authorize airstrikes" stevenleser Sep 2014 #165

"In Iraq." That may be where she draws the line. morningfog Sep 2014 #209

Has anyone suggested an viable alternative action? Ineeda Sep 2014 #13

Assad's army and militias are fighting them. CJCRANE Sep 2014 #16

Thanks. n/t Ineeda Sep 2014 #22

Interesting argument, since Sanders and Warren voted against helping the militias. nt stevenleser Sep 2014 #24

To clarify: Assad's army and Pro-Assad militias CJCRANE Sep 2014 #37

I like Bernie's take: Maedhros Sep 2014 #88

Sanders Says: grahamhgreen Sep 2014 #91

They only voted against arming Syrian rebels. You should edit your OP. stevenleser Sep 2014 #20

Were there separate recorded votes on these separate strategies? Fred Sanders Sep 2014 #32

So far, only the arming of the Syrian Rebels has come up for a vote. HJ 124 stevenleser Sep 2014 #42

Absolutely not. morningfog Sep 2014 #50

Your call. That decision suggests you have little regard for facts and the truth. stevenleser Sep 2014 #51

Steve. They voted against funding this war. How is that inaccurate? morningfog Sep 2014 #53

No, they didn't. They voted against arming Syrian rebels. They are in favor of air war stevenleser Sep 2014 #58

Where did she vote to fund the war? morningfog Sep 2014 #59

Its not going to work. Everyone can see the truth from the link to the full bill text. nt stevenleser Sep 2014 #62

The full bill is the first and only funding bill for this war so far. morningfog Sep 2014 #66

No, it only was to fund Syrian rebels. The other problem you have is Warrens comments both before stevenleser Sep 2014 #68

The bill, and this OP is about FUNDING. FUNDING. FUNDING. morningfog Sep 2014 #69

No. It's a general budget appropriations for everything the govt normally does + funding the rebels stevenleser Sep 2014 #72

Thank you, steve, for FINALLY conceding that the bill included funding the rebels. morningfog Sep 2014 #74

I've been saying that all along. Nice try at moving the goalposts. nt stevenleser Sep 2014 #77

They also voted for funding Bibi's war/slaughter, not to forget that. Fred Sanders Sep 2014 #30

I'm not sure the OP really cares about the real facts. They are pushing this narrative that stevenleser Sep 2014 #48

The only narrative I am pushing is that they voted against funding the war. morningfog Sep 2014 #55

You're also pushing psychic predictions of doom... tridim Sep 2014 #63

There is no dispute that we will still be in this war in 3 years. morningfog Sep 2014 #71

It's FUD... tridim Sep 2014 #76

Pushing the narrative, eventually, that we should Vote For Hillary. IMO, etc. djean111 Sep 2014 #56

Give it up Leser. Everyone knows your agenda here. n/t Dawgs Sep 2014 #60

What I believe is irrelevant. I posted the full text of the bill. nt stevenleser Sep 2014 #64

And he's so bad at it. morningfog Sep 2014 #70

Except, I'm 100% supported by the actual bill. You keep running into that problem. nt stevenleser Sep 2014 #73

I don't understand you. I really don't. I have never seen anyone morningfog Sep 2014 #75

My only confusion is whether you really don't get it or are deliberately trolling. stevenleser Sep 2014 #79

Thanks for all the kicks. morningfog Sep 2014 #81

You should look at the jury results to see what a wider group of DUers think. stevenleser Sep 2014 #84

There is no reason to delete or edit the OP. Thanks for the kick. morningfog Sep 2014 #85

Kicking again. nt stevenleser Sep 2014 #87

Jury results: sufrommich Sep 2014 #82

Good jury. nt Bobbie Jo Sep 2014 #178

This message was self-deleted by its author Bobbie Jo Sep 2014 #83

maybe they think Hamas has done more Damage to Israel than ISIS has to Syria and Iraq JI7 Sep 2014 #154

Reasonable. blkmusclmachine Sep 2014 #39

Thanks President Sanders and VP Warren! TheNutcracker Sep 2014 #90

Thanks to all who voted against funding Obama's War bigwillq Sep 2014 #92

Kicked and recommended! Enthusiast Sep 2014 #93

Good for them Jack Rabbit Sep 2014 #96

Good for them. About time to cut off the funding for all these wars which only make us LESS SECURE. sabrina 1 Sep 2014 #97

Senators Warren and Sanders still support attacking ISIS FrodosPet Sep 2014 #136

and his Generals feel he is not going far enough! VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #101

sois Warren running for President too underthematrix Sep 2014 #105

For Warren, Sanders and Markey, that vote was not a risk. merrily Sep 2014 #106

So you're saying there were ineffective at leading the senate to no vote. aikoaiko Sep 2014 #107

All I'm saying is they voted against it. morningfog Sep 2014 #116

K&R DesertFlower Sep 2014 #108

Bullshit. Bernie and Elizabeth stand with the President against ISIS Cha Sep 2014 #109

Townhall? Really? neverforget Sep 2014 #110

.. Bernie is talking to Thom Hartman.. got anything to say about that? and Elizabeth supports Cha Sep 2014 #113

You used Townhall as link in your previous post. I was hoping you would change that but neverforget Sep 2014 #118

She seems to have gotten the attention of conservative press. ucrdem Sep 2014 #122

Thanks ucrdem.. I found a source from Cha Sep 2014 #129

I've seen worse sources used. ucrdem Sep 2014 #131

I will edit it.. busy getting you another source.. You're welcome. Cha Sep 2014 #124

Thank you, Cha! neverforget Sep 2014 #125

Thank you, neverforget! Cha Sep 2014 #127

We'll see how they each vote on the Syrian AUMF in a couple months. morningfog Sep 2014 #121

Thank you CHA and STEVEN LESER for putting out the facts Number23 Sep 2014 #134

You're Welcome, 23! Cha Sep 2014 #138

The facts are simple: arming and training rebels is a KEY part of the war plan and morningfog Sep 2014 #143

Your spin will not work. nt stevenleser Sep 2014 #168

There us no spin, except in your mind. morningfog Sep 2014 #174

Many DUers are thanking me here for correcting the misinformation you gave them in your OP stevenleser Sep 2014 #183

This disconnect is incredible. Let's work through this. morningfog Sep 2014 #185

Any response to my post #185? morningfog Sep 2014 #190

You're welcome. Few buy this bizarre attempt at spin by the OP. And it doesnt change the facts. stevenleser Sep 2014 #169

The facts are straight. They voted against the first and only morningfog Sep 2014 #114

No, Bernie and Elizabeth stand with the President against ISIS and Voted against arming the Cha Sep 2014 #120

They stand with him bit opposed a key part of the morningfog Sep 2014 #123

You are seriously confused Cartoonist Sep 2014 #135

I am not confused. Arming and training the rebels is part of the war plan. morningfog Sep 2014 #140

The war plan Cartoonist Sep 2014 #145

Oh, I think it is a stupid stupid plan. I think Sanders and Warren voted the correct way. morningfog Sep 2014 #146

You didn't include a sarcasm logo Cartoonist Sep 2014 #147

I think she, as most, vastly overstate the IS threat. morningfog Sep 2014 #148

I have no solution to the troubles of the World Cartoonist Sep 2014 #150

I'll give them the benefit of the doubt. ucrdem Sep 2014 #132

Exactly. When it was time support with the vote for money, they voted no.. morningfog Sep 2014 #142

There is no doubt to have. All Democratic senators are in favor of the air war. stevenleser Sep 2014 #171

Unfortunately this vote was a pretty decisive rejection of their earlier positions. ucrdem Sep 2014 #173

As I noted upthread, its not a change or rejection. They want the airwar, they dont want to arm stevenleser Sep 2014 #180

Yes, I understand, but that's a reversal of what Warren said on Sept. 3. ucrdem Sep 2014 #181

Exactly. This is not complicated stuff. morningfog Sep 2014 #188

Time will tell I suppose. ucrdem Sep 2014 #201

So did Mark Begich. Blue_In_AK Sep 2014 #137

K&R NealK Sep 2014 #159

That's all I need to know. nt snot Sep 2014 #160

Reading DU these days ... NanceGreggs Sep 2014 #161

Fox News wants Shock & Awe II. CJCRANE Sep 2014 #162

I was talking about ... NanceGreggs Sep 2014 #163

That's silly. Did they vote to fund this part of the war plan? morningfog Sep 2014 #175

Too late to be coy, my friend. NanceGreggs Sep 2014 #191

Lol! Nothing coy. morningfog Sep 2014 #194

I thought you just said ... NanceGreggs Sep 2014 #195

Whose war is it? rug Sep 2014 #196

Apparently ... NanceGreggs Sep 2014 #198

No, it's directed to you. rug Sep 2014 #200

Exactly where ... NanceGreggs Sep 2014 #202

"Sens. Warren and Sanders voted against funding Obama's War." rug Sep 2014 #204

The problem seems to be that since this wasn't a vote to fund morningfog Sep 2014 #215

When you want to hide war aims, you submit a funding bill or propose a procedural rule. rug Sep 2014 #216

The quotes around the entire sentence ... NanceGreggs Sep 2014 #217

Are you now able to answer the question in the second half of the post? rug Sep 2014 #219

About it being called "Obama's war"? NanceGreggs Sep 2014 #224

I'll take that as a yes. rug Sep 2014 #226

You can take it anyway you desire ... NanceGreggs Sep 2014 #227

Thanks for replying that you don't care. rug Sep 2014 #228

She'll have you know she really really really really really doesn't care. morningfog Sep 2014 #229

I'm touched she took the time. rug Sep 2014 #230

I thought my not caring ... NanceGreggs Sep 2014 #231

What is abundantly clear is that you care for no one's opinion but your own. rug Sep 2014 #232

"You care for no one's opinion but your own." NanceGreggs Sep 2014 #233

So is your accusing Manny of aeeking attention. rug Sep 2014 #234

Please post a link to where they voted to fund any part of the war. morningfog Sep 2014 #214

Where did I say ... NanceGreggs Sep 2014 #218

You wrote this: morningfog Sep 2014 #220

Such bullshit. Show me where there has been any other morningfog Sep 2014 #210

Denial and double thought is so boring. morningfog Sep 2014 #197

For once we agree. NanceGreggs Sep 2014 #199

I notice it attracted you. nt Union Scribe Sep 2014 #177

The obvious misrepresentation of facts ... NanceGreggs Sep 2014 #192

It is clear that you just don't understand the words in the post. morningfog Sep 2014 #222

You've moved those goalpost so many times ... NanceGreggs Sep 2014 #223

What stupid tortured bullshit. I give up. morningfog Sep 2014 #225

Kudo for both Warren and Sanders deafskeptic Sep 2014 #164

Sanders and Warren are in favor of the airwar. This vote was just about arming the Syrian rebels. nt stevenleser Sep 2014 #167

thanks for the correction. n/t deafskeptic Sep 2014 #172

You're pretty wound up about this. nt Union Scribe Sep 2014 #176

He's so wound up, he's holding contradictory positions. morningfog Sep 2014 #186

When they start that, just cite Sanders' office Union Scribe Sep 2014 #212

That should be its own OP. morningfog Sep 2014 #213

Sanders and Warren are in favor of going after IS. I have never suggested otherwise. morningfog Sep 2014 #187

Er, no they didn't. The Syrian rebel deal is only a part of the war, not the war itself. TwilightGardener Sep 2014 #193

honorable mention Barbara Lee Man from Pickens Sep 2014 #203

They must be running for POTUS. Rex Sep 2014 #205

Seems that way. Gillibrand, Cruz and Paul voted no, too. morningfog Sep 2014 #207

At least Hillary won't have this to contend with yeoman6987 Sep 2014 #206

Or it will work against her. When her public statements morningfog Sep 2014 #208

That could happen yeoman6987 Sep 2014 #211