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65. I think that when you take Civics lessons out of the school
Fri Sep 19, 2014, 12:58 PM
Sep 2014

curriculum, you end up with children who don't understand how govt works. I remember the little school house rocks cartoon/ song diddy from when I was a child... There is nothing even like that for kids today.

It's not that people are stupid, it's that people haven't been taught in any meaningful manner as to how important their rights are and how our govt works. I know that we had teachers who did teach this in school. It wasn't exact in a history book or what not... But we had teachers who would teach civics past the droning of 3 branches, and forget the lesson by the next semester.

We had mock govt set ups, debates, current events regarding the differing branches, review of supreme court judicial law... With all of that, I was still one of the only ones in my college, among my friends to actually vote... And even then, I didn't really understand the rules... If I had been registered in SC to vote back in 2000, my vote would have carried more weight than my vote I cast in VT by mail in ballot. I did not know that I could register to vote in SC and still be a resident of VT without it effecting my school financials. There is a huge disconnect with rules and voting and such in college campuses all across this nation, and I think that if more young people were educated and aware of their rights, young Americans, who tend to be more progressive and modern in views, would make a huge difference in winning outcomes. Most of these kids/ young adults really don't start voting or paying attention to local politics until they are settled down in a community after their college daze. And it's a really huge, untapped market of persons who could really effect a change in a community where they reside, work, pay taxes, etc for 4 yrs of their lives (maybe more if they stay on and attend grad school).

I bet if college kids became a large voting block, the amount of money they have to spend attending college would change greatly. Perhaps states would tax progressively to ensure that their colleges and universities could compete with low tuition rates, while offering a sound education.

Our children need to be more informed, more active, more vocal. There should be statewide competitions for schools to achieve a ballot initiative for everyone to vote on. There should be forms to register to vote at the moment they turn 18... Perhaps, even, we could reduce the voting age to 16 like many other progressive countries do. Many European countries allow drinking and voting at the age of 16. Could you imagine if you got these kids in the junior and senior year to begin the process of voting and learning about issues and debating and having politicians come into their schools to try and sway opinion or to debate their opponents. It would be really quite nice if we did move the voting age down to 16... Seeing that children can emancipate theirselves at that age from their parents, that they drive, many are working at minimum wage jobs and in kitchens with spattering fry grease, etc, an paying insurance on their vehicles, having to save money for college or their first apts when they turn 18, and yes, even paying taxes and fees on purchases and other services they must enact. I think it would be more than fair for these young adults to be able to vote... Especially because they are the ones who will be of the age to volunteer to go into military services and they will be the "boots on the ground" that will be fighting wars our politicians send them to. It's more than fair that they should have a voice and a say in who those politicians are that make those types of decisions that could maime or kill them.

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It's ironic the survey results are in thirds... Agschmid Sep 2014 #1
There's a good argument that our current form of government no longer works. ChairmanAgnostic Sep 2014 #82
it might be melm00se Sep 2014 #94
It is a beautiful document, isn't it? ChairmanAgnostic Sep 2014 #100
I'd like a weighted voting system in the House. rickford66 Sep 2014 #106
Why should they yuiyoshida Sep 2014 #2
You are going to blame tv for education's failure? former9thward Sep 2014 #61
That's right, blame teachers. femmocrat Sep 2014 #70
Are you saying it is not the job of teachers former9thward Sep 2014 #71
No. femmocrat Sep 2014 #80
You seem to think teachers have no role in any of those problems. former9thward Sep 2014 #85
Every History teacher teaches this...and then students leave and become part of a work force that... Tikki Sep 2014 #81
Did you forget basic math when you graduated? former9thward Sep 2014 #86
No because I used it daily....and no one was telling me over and over again that 1 + 1=3 Tikki Sep 2014 #88
They teach it and it is drowned out by rich people telling you to buy stuff Taitertots Sep 2014 #93
But ask those same people who won American Idol in 2004 Orrex Sep 2014 #3
Is that correlated with voting registration and intention, though? Spider Jerusalem Sep 2014 #4
By design. corkhead Sep 2014 #5
This ^^^ n/t MANative Sep 2014 #7
Seems like Official Policy since Nov. 22, 1963 Octafish Sep 2014 #9
. MohRokTah Sep 2014 #25
What do you know about it? Octafish Sep 2014 #37
. MohRokTah Sep 2014 #38
There's nothing funny about the assassination of President Kennedy. Octafish Sep 2014 #40
The funny bits are the wacked out conspiracy theories that came out of one lone nut... MohRokTah Sep 2014 #43
Like how the CIA's man on the Warren Commission failed to mention CIA-Mafia assassination program? Octafish Sep 2014 #47
I don't buy into CT nonsense. This thread is derailed enough with the BS. eom MohRokTah Sep 2014 #49
I do. Here's why. Octafish Sep 2014 #52
. MohRokTah Sep 2014 #55
What JFK said, I hope for all, even you, MohRokTah. Octafish Sep 2014 #59
the funny thing is... grasswire Sep 2014 #62
The point of the thread is ignorance. Octafish Sep 2014 #69
Please don't engage Octafish on JFK. nt Dreamer Tatum Sep 2014 #78
I have to agree, it's a pointless exercise. eom MohRokTah Sep 2014 #83
As is expecting character from those who rationalizing a lack of tipping... LanternWaste Sep 2014 #96
Apparently I've picked up a stalker. eom MohRokTah Sep 2014 #99
Afraid someone will learn something? Octafish Sep 2014 #84
No, I'm afraid that the internet will slow down for all the links attached. Dreamer Tatum Sep 2014 #91
I'd say 1/20/81. hifiguy Sep 2014 #33
Agree about the importance of the Pruneface installation. Octafish Sep 2014 #39
+1 ...American Idol, Idiot, Star, Dancing, Food, latest Hollywood poop cam ...more important. L0oniX Sep 2014 #17
You forgot football... n/t ReRe Sep 2014 #56
I wish I could. L0oniX Sep 2014 #92
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Executive, Legislative, and the NFL FSogol Sep 2014 #6
Precisely Sherman A1 Sep 2014 #8
Dang, you are right hfojvt Sep 2014 #10
More like Executive, Legislative, and the One Percent. Brigid Sep 2014 #12
+1 L0oniX Sep 2014 #18
Billionaires, Oligarchs and the media KurtNYC Sep 2014 #77
jpmorganchase, the kochs, and the lobbyists? unblock Sep 2014 #11
Judicial, Legislative, and "Administrative" --GWB Gidney N Cloyd Sep 2014 #13
I'm going to have to bookmark this. Savannahmann Sep 2014 #14
People always seem surprised about this, and I can't understand why. MineralMan Sep 2014 #15
I don't know that people are surprised by this, but it's worth reporting on cali Sep 2014 #30
The education I'm talking about is for adults, not kids. MineralMan Sep 2014 #63
Sure, that's also a good idea, but much, much harder to accomplish cali Sep 2014 #72
A decade or two is forever in political terms. MineralMan Sep 2014 #75
at age 14 handmade34 Sep 2014 #67
Yes I agree, seems like some think Obama can do anything he wants, don't think he is limited Thinkingabout Sep 2014 #57
I am always surprised people actually believe whistler162 Sep 2014 #104
Freedom! Constitution! joeybee12 Sep 2014 #16
Freedumb! FSogol Sep 2014 #20
So much stupid there for so few people... joeybee12 Sep 2014 #24
Stupidity can and often does exist in very small yet very dense concentrations. hifiguy Sep 2014 #34
True.. joeybee12 Sep 2014 #35
If the concentration of stupidity becomes dense enough The Velveteen Ocelot Sep 2014 #41
Einstein was right! hifiguy Sep 2014 #50
They must be from the Rick Perry school of morons.. Historic NY Sep 2014 #19
SMH Mr Dixon Sep 2014 #21
MiSSION ACCOMPLISHED n/t librechik Sep 2014 #22
Noam Chomsky on Democracy and Education in the 21st Century woo me with science Sep 2014 #23
This will only get worse as those of us who actually had a Civics course in high school start... MohRokTah Sep 2014 #26
I think I was introduced to this stuff in about 7th or 8th grade. The Velveteen Ocelot Sep 2014 #44
We also had School House Rock when we were younger than that! MohRokTah Sep 2014 #45
That Schoolhouse Rock thing needs updating to include lobbyists tclambert Sep 2014 #64
Do you mean this one?... adirondacker Sep 2014 #95
That is an excellent update. tclambert Sep 2014 #105
They are. Puglover Sep 2014 #27
Boehner, Scalia, and the black guy who gets blamed for the other two. Glassunion Sep 2014 #28
I can, to wit: Jackpine Radical Sep 2014 #29
And people wonder why some people keep voting against their own best interests Botany Sep 2014 #31
And the PTB are gleeful over this. nt valerief Sep 2014 #32
Because they engineered it. hifiguy Sep 2014 #36
I can name all three. Dr. Strange Sep 2014 #42
Boeing, WalMart, Microsoft. Duh! n/t leftstreet Sep 2014 #46
Hate to say it, but it's not just teahadists Proud Public Servant Sep 2014 #48
Well schools are concerned with tee shorts and other so called important things yeoman6987 Sep 2014 #51
"Rarely is the question asked: 'Is our children learning?'" KamaAina Sep 2014 #53
Guess who can? Naturalized citizens. KamaAina Sep 2014 #54
100 percent correct. RufusTFirefly Sep 2014 #73
Guaranteed they know who won the LibDemAlways Sep 2014 #58
...hence why they blame Obama for ALL of it! Liberal_Stalwart71 Sep 2014 #60
I think that when you take Civics lessons out of the school glowing Sep 2014 #65
Executive, Legislative, and Judicial branches... Bryce Butler Sep 2014 #66
Back in high school, when dinosaurs still walked Earth's cooling crust ... ColesCountyDem Sep 2014 #68
I'd like to know what the question was and what the acceptable answers were. pnwmom Sep 2014 #74
"A little learning is a dangerous thing; drink deep, or taste not the Pierian spring: Tierra_y_Libertad Sep 2014 #76
I'm haunted by the NSA's repeated denial of the existence of "probable cause" in the 4th Amendment RufusTFirefly Sep 2014 #79
The C branch, the I branch and A branch. JEB Sep 2014 #87
We have the government we deserve GitRDun Sep 2014 #89
On a local level, I was told that the sheriff makes the laws. I informed that person Cleita Sep 2014 #90
The Executive, the Judicial and the Santa Maria, right? LanternWaste Sep 2014 #97
Many Americans are dumber than a box of rocks. nt Cali_Democrat Sep 2014 #98
I think those are the ones who think the President "runs the country" treestar Sep 2014 #101
civics isn't taught in school anymore as far as I can tell notadmblnd Sep 2014 #102
I prolly have more friends Go Vols Sep 2014 #103
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