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Puzzledtraveller

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121. It's a joke to so many

Sat Sep 20, 2014, 04:25 PM

Sep 2014

fundamentally and it is beyond politics. Lately I have been thinking about an analogy of living in a Zoo. At least in modern western civilization, and even when we think our minds are broad we are kept safe and inoculated, shielded by a fake "reality" like Zoo animals. Raised in captivity, provided for to a degree, not needing to survive in the most basic sense, to really wonder if you will see tomorrow, a fair amount of abundance, enough so that we barely feel anything when we waste, food, water, medicine, books, paper. I know we have people in our own "world" who's lives are precarious and uncertain so what speak to is the safe and sound masses, the consumers, the ones the media won't trouble by showing bodies of children torn apart by war.

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Spanking? America's killed a million Iraqi kids over the last 24 years. [View all] Octafish Sep 2014 OP

I think we can walk and chew gum. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Sep 2014 #1

Of course we can examine both situations, ZombieHorde Sep 2014 #4

Wow, a twofer! Wait Wut Sep 2014 #5

Agreed, I am not sure either problem has been totally overlooked. Just because there is lots of kid Thinkingabout Sep 2014 #82

Thanks for your post, Octafish. Power and Control. littlemissmartypants Sep 2014 #2

You are most welcome, littlemissmartypants! War is Power. And Money. Octafish Sep 2014 #16

I'm sorry but this is just conflating shit that doesn't need to be conflated. cali Sep 2014 #3

I'm sorry, but that post isn't helping shit. DocMac Sep 2014 #14

It's a fucking slap in the face. NuclearDem Sep 2014 #45

Not a zero sum situation. MineralMan Sep 2014 #6

pithy ... GeorgeGist Sep 2014 #10

So who's making the money? Octafish Sep 2014 #31

Albright is scum. "We think the price was worth it" leftstreet Sep 2014 #7

She said that between invasions. Octafish Sep 2014 #17

Americans fight back when attacked, Progressive dog Sep 2014 #8

But when did Iraq attack us? Coventina Sep 2014 #9

i missed that too noiretextatique Sep 2014 #11

That was a "tell" if I've ever seen one. morningfog Sep 2014 #22

When did I say they did? Progressive dog Sep 2014 #58

Well, then I need clarification as to what you meant by your post. Coventina Sep 2014 #59

Are we now at war with Iraq? Progressive dog Sep 2014 #69

Iraq attacked us? cwydro Sep 2014 #12

When did Iraq or ISIS attack the US? morningfog Sep 2014 #21

When before 2014, did the US attack ISIS? Progressive dog Sep 2014 #57

No, I am asking you when Iraq attacked the US prior to our 2003 invasion. morningfog Sep 2014 #74

I didn't say Iraq attacked us, ISIS is not Iraq Progressive dog Sep 2014 #103

This thread is about 25 years of war in Iraq. morningfog Sep 2014 #104

The thread is about not "spanking " ISIS, Progressive dog Sep 2014 #106

There we go. IS did not attack the US. morningfog Sep 2014 #107

How many beheadings would they have to video for Progressive dog Sep 2014 #111

I am not so easily swayed by propaganda. morningfog Sep 2014 #113

Technically, even Afghanistan didn't attack us and any payback whereisjustice Sep 2014 #26

I'm curious as to why Progressive dog Sep 2014 #56

Because there was no military/strategic advantage of occupation given the history of whereisjustice Sep 2014 #84

So you believe nations (at least the USA) Progressive dog Sep 2014 #102

You don't have to agree, history has more than proven my assertions correct. whereisjustice Sep 2014 #109

So you believe history Progressive dog Sep 2014 #110

like in viet nam, korea, iraq? La Lioness Priyanka Sep 2014 #76

Go back and read what I wrote, Progressive dog Sep 2014 #105

You did. La Lioness Priyanka Sep 2014 #108

What Adrian Peterson did was horrific, but this is a million times more horriffic. Initech Sep 2014 #13

''He's a man we can do business with." Octafish Sep 2014 #19

And then there was Prescott Bush and his buddies hifiguy Sep 2014 #83

Maybe that's why America has a violence problem. Just sayin'. nt laundry_queen Sep 2014 #15

It's been decades. 24 years in Iraq. Vietnam was 20 years... Octafish Sep 2014 #20

I know. laundry_queen Sep 2014 #29

No kidding - TBF Sep 2014 #79

You can't vote it out... smiley Sep 2014 #18

Then both Parties subscribe to the same thing. Octafish Sep 2014 #25

the truth.... smiley Sep 2014 #34

Thanks, smiley! DU is a Truth Machine Octafish Sep 2014 #63

A toddler was beaten bloody with a tree branch by a professional football player. Iggo Sep 2014 #23

No. That's child abuse. People are arguing about corporal punishment. Octafish Sep 2014 #28

Yeah seriously, WTF are we still doing in Iraq? Rex Sep 2014 #24

Precisely the point: This is supposed to be a Democracy. Octafish Sep 2014 #27

So true, kinda like when 80% of the populace wants better gun control laws Rex Sep 2014 #32

The same thing we've been doing for over 30 years, protecting the Saudis Hippo_Tron Sep 2014 #30

Yes America is still the worlds Global Police Force. Rex Sep 2014 #33

I actually can get behind air strikes in Iraq, but intervening in Syria is ridiculous Hippo_Tron Sep 2014 #40

Just so I understand... pipi_k Sep 2014 #35

No. The point is the USA has killed a million kids no one talks about. Octafish Sep 2014 #37

So, if the tee vee people stop talking about the kids who are being beaten kcr Sep 2014 #42

Why can't both issues be covered? They SHOULD be of concern to the nation. Octafish Sep 2014 #52

I agree. They can both be covered, and they should. kcr Sep 2014 #53

I think that's probably pipi_k Sep 2014 #55

and further apparently treestar Sep 2014 #50

You're right of course rock Sep 2014 #36

Princeton... Octafish Sep 2014 #38

Sounds dead on rock Sep 2014 #39

It almost seems that an occasional ligitimate social issue JEB Sep 2014 #41

From the NFL to Federal Court, Domestic Violence is an epidemic. Octafish Sep 2014 #51

And on ignore you finally go. NuclearDem Sep 2014 #43

Bad idea. zappaman Sep 2014 #46

My own personal minder dude. Octafish Sep 2014 #48

uh oh zappaman Sep 2014 #54

Four years of your life monitoring me. Octafish Sep 2014 #60

Not sure how you intercepted that private comm zappaman Sep 2014 #64

Good riddance. Octafish Sep 2014 #49

Does your math AnalystInParadise Sep 2014 #44

Is that a joke? Octafish Sep 2014 #47

Yes, that was so humane of us... Oilwellian Sep 2014 #68

K&R!! G_j Sep 2014 #61

Not trying to divert attention from spanking, but to the killing of a million innocent people. Octafish Sep 2014 #65

distractions distractions librechik Sep 2014 #62

I was surprised at both the focus and its size. Please see #65 above and this from the same below... Octafish Sep 2014 #66

vomit inducing, but unfortunately true. librechik Sep 2014 #73

durec Norm Guy Sep 2014 #67

Iraqi people had nothing to do with 9-11. They didn't even vote for CIA-installed Saddam Hussein. Octafish Sep 2014 #70

Thanks Norm Guy Sep 2014 #87

But but but malaise Sep 2014 #71

These people in the 'political class' are past cultural conceit... Octafish Sep 2014 #80

100% correct malaise Sep 2014 #85

Dead kids have a power to open eyes. Yet some spend years trying to shut your mouth. johnnyreb Sep 2014 #72

Funny you should mention that. Octafish Sep 2014 #77

what we do to our kids matter. what we do to other people's children also matter. La Lioness Priyanka Sep 2014 #75

UN sanctions are not "the US killing a million kids" EX500rider Sep 2014 #78

That's what NSA spying on the UN was for: Right nice way to stack the deck. Octafish Sep 2014 #86

Nothing to do with attacking the US EX500rider Sep 2014 #88

In 1990, Iraq was given a green light to attack Kuwait by Baker per April Glaspie. Octafish Sep 2014 #92

Saying we have no opinion in a dispute over slant drilling is NOT a green light for war. EX500rider Sep 2014 #94

So why the need to lie America into war? Octafish Sep 2014 #95

I don't know why she lied but they DID invade Kuwait & Saudi Arabia... EX500rider Sep 2014 #97

You miss a key point: Iraq did not attack the United States. Octafish Sep 2014 #115

Didn't have to attack the US.. EX500rider Sep 2014 #119

Father Bush lied his miserable way into an Iraq war just like his dim son did. LawDeeDah Sep 2014 #122

So it was a lie that Iraq invaded Kuwait & Saudi Arabia? EX500rider Sep 2014 #123

Yes. LawDeeDah Sep 2014 #124

Glaspie saying we had no opinion in a matter concerning slant drilling.. EX500rider Sep 2014 #125

It was a green light to Saddam, remember that Rumsfeld and the PNACers were buds with Saddam LawDeeDah Sep 2014 #127

He took it as a green light...turned out to be a bad idea on his part.. EX500rider Sep 2014 #129

Jsus Christ. Learn to multitask. nt msanthrope Sep 2014 #81

Like the CIA and the Pentagon. They got wars goin' around the planet. Octafish Sep 2014 #96

Sad isn't it.. the other issue we don't talk about is the murder by our taxdollars. KoKo Sep 2014 #89

Student Debt Is Fascist Octafish Sep 2014 #90

nothing personal, its just policy reddread Sep 2014 #91

In 1991, Kuwait stayed in the Wall Street Warmonger column. Octafish Sep 2014 #93

Perhaps they're related. Trillo Sep 2014 #98

Absolutely. Octafish Sep 2014 #101

"America's government has got a violence problem." YoungDemCA Sep 2014 #99

It does go back a long ways. Octafish Sep 2014 #100

Thank you for all that, and more, Sir. bobthedrummer Sep 2014 #116

What's one little President when compared to a million kids? Octafish Sep 2014 #118

you forgot to add "slightly brown" kids Octafish. Puzzledtraveller Sep 2014 #112

Excellent points, Puzzledtraveller. What Pablo Casals said. Octafish Sep 2014 #114

That's beautiful, thank you. Puzzledtraveller Sep 2014 #120

Congratulations on your little one. truedelphi Sep 2014 #126

''The little brown ones.'' -- George Herber Walker Bush on his grandchildren Octafish Sep 2014 #117

It's a joke to so many Puzzledtraveller Sep 2014 #121

Spanking bad; killing children unforgivable. JEB Sep 2014 #128

That one got to me, JEB. Harold Pinter understood David's message... Octafish Sep 2014 #130

What a powerful advocate for the truth. JEB Sep 2014 #131

Thought I'd toss this your way. JEB Sep 2014 #132