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customerserviceguy

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23. I haven't done taxes professionally for about twenty years, but here goes
Thu Apr 12, 2012, 10:48 PM
Apr 2012

When you buy things that are used to produce income in either an investment or a business situation (not like work clothes for your job, for example) you get to subtract what you paid for those things from the income you get from them. Some things have really short useful lives, or are pretty insignificant, like envelopes and paper for the bills you send out in a business. Some things you have to deduct from the proceeds of the eventual sale, but not before then, like the price you pay for some shares of stock.

Many things that one buys for business or investment have a really long useful life. Unless there is a tax break allowing you to deduct their value in the year of purchase (happens for business property, but generally not for investment property) you have to spread the cost of the item over a useful life. Tax rules often specify this life, and just how fast you can take those deductions against the income from the activity they're used in. Sometimes, as in the case of a newly started business, or a rental residential property, the non-depreciation expenses exceed the income from the activity. Depreciation often leads to an increase in the loss, or the wiping out of a tiny profit from the activity, and you get to deduct the resulting loss against other income that you have coming in.

This often happens with rental real estate. In the early years, rents don't cover mortgage interest, taxes, and maintenance, and you get to "recover" a portion of the building's purchase price through depreciation deductions. These shield income from your wages or your profitable investments, by offsetting the loss against the income from those gainful activities. In "normal" markets, real estate doesn't really go down in value, and when you finally sell the building, you have to "recapture" the deductions you took for depreciation that didn't really occur. One of the great tax breaks is that while you were using that depreciation to offset regular income dollar-for-dollar, when you recapture, you get to use favorable capital gains tax rates on the "recaptured" gain, at least to the extent that it corresponds to straight-line depreciation (that which would be taken evenly over a period of years) versus any accelerated depreciation (that which is taken over what would be allowed as straight-line depreciation).

Eventually, you pay taxes on the amounts you deducted in earlier years, but those taxes are deferred, and the capital gains tax break makes it even sweeter. Let's say you lend me $100, and I have to pay you that $100 ten years from now, no interest. I win. Well, if I have to pay you only $25-$40 dollars ten years later, hey, I really win!

It makes real estate a great investment in good times. Lately, it's not that good.

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This might be close: The Straight Story Apr 2012 #1
Yes, thats pretty much it. Furthermore... HooptieWagon Apr 2012 #4
ok but Kali Apr 2012 #9
Ok, let's see....try this The Straight Story Apr 2012 #11
Yes, you made cash, but you lost wealth. HooptieWagon Apr 2012 #14
and also avoided paying tax on that cash right? Kali Apr 2012 #17
Yes, because the wealth you lost was greater than the cash you made. HooptieWagon Apr 2012 #19
But workers can't deduct the value of their "lost wealth" from their taxes, correct? HiPointDem Apr 2012 #42
No. Depreciation is a deduction for businesses. HooptieWagon Apr 2012 #45
I run an isolated total cash business quaker bill Apr 2012 #18
that does make some actual sense to me, believe it or not! Kali Apr 2012 #22
if there is depreciation Celebration Apr 2012 #33
would an inheritance of a farm count? (or purchasing an existing business) Kali Apr 2012 #34
why don't you ask him? Celebration Apr 2012 #35
I would think depreciation could be claimed on farm structures. HooptieWagon Apr 2012 #46
Trust me. A car costs more as it depreciates. Jamastiene Apr 2012 #31
Welcome to the wonderful world of accounting. sendero Apr 2012 #36
It's the opposite of appreciation panader0 Apr 2012 #2
makes a HELL of a lot more sense Kali Apr 2012 #10
Hah! Best explanation of depreciation EVER! Thanks - n/t coalition_unwilling Apr 2012 #51
a tax professional quinnox Apr 2012 #3
No pro here, but I think it means what you got, isn't worth what you paid for it? Thus a loss and freshwest Apr 2012 #5
suppose you have a piece of equipment Celebration Apr 2012 #6
no Kali Apr 2012 #12
yes year four Celebration Apr 2012 #32
This is a pretty good description longship Apr 2012 #26
It's value lost gradually on an item purchased for a business or even personal stuff. Cleita Apr 2012 #7
Depreciation is one of the factors reported on Schedule C (profit or loss from business). enough Apr 2012 #8
or in this case schedule F Kali Apr 2012 #15
It's all a tax dodge but it is how it's done csziggy Apr 2012 #21
I think I get it now Kali Apr 2012 #24
He is also probably getting a lower property tax HooptieWagon Apr 2012 #48
If you had a business and bought a brand new company car worth $30,000.00 Larry Ogg Apr 2012 #13
In terms of business taxes, here's how it works Yo_Mama Apr 2012 #16
Maybe this will help...sometimes I am not real clear though... Drew Richards Apr 2012 #20
I haven't done taxes professionally for about twenty years, but here goes customerserviceguy Apr 2012 #23
I am pretty sure the only assets to be depreciated in this situation are heifers kept to replace old Kali Apr 2012 #25
After all the technical explanations, what you want to know is... TreasonousBastard Apr 2012 #27
oh you nailed it Kali Apr 2012 #30
If you sell the rental, the gain is calculated on the depreciated value taught_me_patience Apr 2012 #38
Hah! LOL - n/t coalition_unwilling Apr 2012 #52
Let me cut to the chase, It is a taxpayer supported subsidy to businesses Egalitarian Thug Apr 2012 #28
It recognizes the difference between things bought for investment and things bought for consumption customerserviceguy Apr 2012 #40
Even your hypothetical cannot make an honest comparison to support your opinion. Egalitarian Thug Apr 2012 #41
I have to have a car to get to my job. Why can't I deduct depreciation on the car as a business HiPointDem Apr 2012 #43
Transportation to and from work cant be expensed HooptieWagon Apr 2012 #47
In the tax code I'd design, you would customerserviceguy Apr 2012 #50
No it is not dems_rightnow Apr 2012 #44
Lumberjack Jeff, LLC, bought a log truck. lumberjack_jeff Apr 2012 #29
You can have a loss resulting from normal depreciation schedule taught_me_patience Apr 2012 #37
In accrual accounting depreciation is an expense. trackfan Apr 2012 #39
also: it's timing issue, matching revenue with expense ctaylors6 Apr 2012 #49
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