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karynnj

(60,860 posts)
53. Actually she could - imagine that she had put out a statement and even showed up
Mon Sep 22, 2014, 11:02 AM
Sep 2014

to hold a sign for FIVE minutes. Think of the attention that would have given the protest. It is true that many would have then complained that too much attention was given to someone who had little to do with the event, but that would have been an insignificant, sour grapes type comment.

Hillary is in a fantastic position on this issue and many others. There are many who would LOVE to believe her even if her record has been less than perfect or even good. The same goes for all the minimum wage/ economic justice issues. It might annoy many, who could point to things like the 2001 bankruptcy bill (which failed, but where she was wrong) but the fact is that at the moment, no one else (other than Obama) has the position and spotlight to make as strong a case on issues like this other then Clinton. (Obviously, people like Sanders, Sherrod Brown and Warren have more consistent records - but they can not command the media spotlight she can.)

This is both an asset and a responsibility. One thing I faulted the Clintons with in late 2002 and early 2003 was that they did not use the megaphone, that they alone of the Democrats had, to argue that we should not rush to war, when in fact, the inspectors were finding nothing that made Iraq a threat.

Now, she is in the same position. I heard some of Clinton's speech at the DNC's women's event recently and she really did speak of things we more associate with Warren and Sanders. This is a good thing and she linked in to winning in 2014. I am obviously not a big fan of the Clintons - having believed in them at one time only to be disillusioned. However, she has a big opportunity to use the position she has - inevitable front runner and media darling - to speak of why people need to vote for Democrats in 2014. Then, if she continues the same themes into 2016, she will have earned the right to "use" them by having actively promoted them when the media gave few people speaking of them any oxygen.

The same could be true of environmental issues, but that might not be their plan. Where the Democratic side of economic issues poll very well, there is a long term negative correlation between support of environmental regulation and the state of the economy. Not to mention, even in the best economic times, the environment has not polled high as something that drives votes.

Here the Clintons really have a pretty mixed record. There were many valuable, environmental friendly, executive orders issued in the last year or so of the Clinton Presidency, but Bill Clinton had an awful record in Arkansas. This - unlike woman's issues, children's issues, education, healthcare etc - was NEVER a core issue for either Clinton. There are people, including John Kerry, Al Gore, John Heinz, Joe Lieberman etc who led on this and for whom it was a core value. No one can lead on every issue and it might be that Hillary does not want to align herself with the protesters on this issue.

So, back to whether she should have appeared - my guess is "NO". Part of the reason is that her position is likely going to be more nuanced than the marchers and she faced people asking why she seemed to have backed the Keystone pipeline. I suspect that the Clintons, as in 2008, are tightly controlling her appearances. I doubt they want her at an open rally where people could shout out questions she does not want to answer.

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Great question, indeed ReRe Sep 2014 #1
I think Chelsea is close to her due date... CTyankee Sep 2014 #2
Chelsea and Bill were IN NYC yesterday! n2doc Sep 2014 #15
Actually, all three Clintons were on the street yesterday....I saw them midtown. msanthrope Sep 2014 #21
Clinton=Bush in 2016 billhicks76 Sep 2014 #62
Yes. elleng Sep 2014 #76
I hate the tinge of sexism---HRC is supposed to do the Foundation Awards, help her msanthrope Sep 2014 #82
I rarely have thoughts of 'sexism,' elleng Sep 2014 #84
That's why I said 'tinge.' I truly wonder if we ask of HRC the same questions that we would ask of msanthrope Sep 2014 #85
If/when she runs, elleng Sep 2014 #87
I am sure that right now there are Republican focus groups working on how to ask ladyparts msanthrope Sep 2014 #88
They will fail in OUR eyes, elleng Sep 2014 #89
I doubt there are complications TBF Sep 2014 #45
She looks wonderful! CTyankee Sep 2014 #77
That I can agree with. nt TBF Sep 2014 #79
I kinda hope she has a girl... CTyankee Sep 2014 #80
Not massive enough to move a Clinton, I suppose. n/t Orsino Sep 2014 #3
If each marcher had brandished a $100 bill in each hand, would she have appeared? hatrack Sep 2014 #5
I saw Bernie and Dennis were there. logosoco Sep 2014 #4
Sheldon Whitehouse was there, too. Jim Lane Sep 2014 #27
You need to stop expecting more of her. Accept it: she's a politician who wants to play it safe. randome Sep 2014 #6
I don't expect it. cali Sep 2014 #13
And I'd appreciate hearing Joe Scarborough saying something honest. Or Chuck Todd. randome Sep 2014 #20
The funny thing is, randome, is that she was there. It's just that the Foundation awards msanthrope Sep 2014 #23
Ah. I did not know she was doing that. randome Sep 2014 #47
Hillary has her priorities - TBF Sep 2014 #49
Was she at the march or the awards of both? antiquie Sep 2014 #50
Actually she could - imagine that she had put out a statement and even showed up karynnj Sep 2014 #53
Who expects a Corporate funded candidate to show up at an anti-corporate Global protest? sabrina 1 Sep 2014 #31
Yes, and that's how you win IHateTheGOP Sep 2014 #68
H. Clinton speaks well in political rhetoric. I believe she said that she "hoped" that a mass rhett o rick Sep 2014 #7
If she did, would it make a difference? brooklynite Sep 2014 #8
does that matter? she just gave a speech about how a mass movement is needed cali Sep 2014 #14
If she believes in something she shouldn't worry about what people say. The fact sabrina 1 Sep 2014 #33
Ha! Good one. FlatStanley Sep 2014 #48
And didn't she call for that mass movement long after the planning was already started. One of jwirr Sep 2014 #9
I'm surprised Bill isn't there--he could run in front and it would look like a mandate! librechik Sep 2014 #10
As I noted above, he was in NYC for an awards ceremony. He could have shown up n/t n2doc Sep 2014 #16
"An awards ceremony?" Um--it was the Clinton Foundation Awards. Which they run. msanthrope Sep 2014 #29
Well, there are three of them. One could have represented the others by showing up sabrina 1 Sep 2014 #35
Okay--you have just written the funniest post about NYC ever written on this board. msanthrope Sep 2014 #38
LOL...your right.... Historic NY Sep 2014 #58
if they paid her speaking fee she might have! m-lekktor Sep 2014 #11
She's too flat broke to afford the bus fare. Tierra_y_Libertad Sep 2014 #12
Rhetorical AgingAmerican Sep 2014 #17
Actually, yes--she was there. But the Foundation Awards were that night, so she and Bill msanthrope Sep 2014 #18
Did Chelsea attend? Jeneral2885 Sep 2014 #19
Chelsea Clinton, HRC and Bill were at the Clinton Foundation Awards last night. Not for msanthrope Sep 2014 #32
Hillary was in NYC yesterday, just not at the march n2doc Sep 2014 #22
Yes--last night was the FOundation awards. Between that and baby watch, are you really msanthrope Sep 2014 #25
So, what was she doing all day? This Global event was well advertised. Put it this sabrina 1 Sep 2014 #36
As I noted upthread, you've never been to the island of Manhattan, have you? nt msanthrope Sep 2014 #39
What?? I live in NY state and am very familiar with Manhattan. sabrina 1 Sep 2014 #41
Then why weren't YOU there yesterday? I was. HRC had the Foundation Awards crosstown. msanthrope Sep 2014 #43
Did she issue a statement of support? sabrina 1 Sep 2014 #54
Again-why weren't YOU there? And, why are you attributing a quote to me that I have not written? nt msanthrope Sep 2014 #83
Mustn't endanger all those corporate donations. JEB Sep 2014 #24
Um--the Clinton Foundation awards were midtown in NYC last night. She was msanthrope Sep 2014 #26
Where was her old chum Kissenger? JEB Sep 2014 #28
I don't know who Kissenger is. But Henry Kissinger was probably there. nt msanthrope Sep 2014 #34
I could spell his name Jabba and that would be more respect JEB Sep 2014 #69
Probably channeling Pinochet PeoViejo Sep 2014 #37
From the website - TBF Sep 2014 #74
+1 daleanime Sep 2014 #30
So far only fredamae Sep 2014 #40
I'm from Vermont, so obviously yes. cali Sep 2014 #44
Lucky :) n/t fredamae Sep 2014 #67
She might be to busy mylye2222 Sep 2014 #42
This whole thread is going on "ignore" by me. Very snarky. northoftheborder Sep 2014 #46
Some people wake up each morning and look for things to be faux angry at Clinton about wyldwolf Sep 2014 #51
Did Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren, Ralph Nader? still_one Sep 2014 #52
Bernie was at the march - TBF Sep 2014 #56
I know, so was Al Gore, and Obama will be at the UN talking about it still_one Sep 2014 #59
Bernie was there Duppers Sep 2014 #57
I know. Largest march in history on the environment and the media essentially ignored it still_one Sep 2014 #61
Where was Elizabeth Warren? Thinkingabout Sep 2014 #78
I don't know. Maybe a prior engagement. This was a significant event hardly covered by media still_one Sep 2014 #86
I was a few blocks away and did not march. hrmjustin Sep 2014 #55
I don't normally give Mrs Clinton a pass malaise Sep 2014 #60
Chelsea was speaking at the foundation - TBF Sep 2014 #70
I totally agree with you malaise Sep 2014 #72
As a female who has been in labor I can TBF Sep 2014 #73
Clinton is just as embedded in global capitalism as the rest of them NickB79 Sep 2014 #63
I'm convinced HRC is on board with the fossil fuel extraction industry. Enthusiast Sep 2014 #64
Actually, glad the march was not turned into a Clinton photo-op. djean111 Sep 2014 #65
Ellison was there. geardaddy Sep 2014 #66
BENGHAZI!and stuff! stonecutter357 Sep 2014 #71
I'm an HRC critic, but get real Proud Public Servant Sep 2014 #75
Your "point" makes it impossible for her TBF Sep 2014 #81
I agree, actually Proud Public Servant Sep 2014 #90
She's not my favorite - TBF Sep 2014 #91
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