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73. If a war is justified, as in WW2, then people will also volunteer, on their own,

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Mon Sep 22, 2014, 12:39 PM

Sep 2014

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and not because of a threatened draft.

That's what my uncles did, and my grandfathers during WW1.

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Rangel: It’s Time for a War Tax and a Reinstated Draft [View all] IDemo Sep 2014 OP

seems fair to me nt grasswire Sep 2014 #1

My Concern About The Draft Is In Rangel's Write Up ProfessorGAC Sep 2014 #69

don't you think it's time to share the mental anguish? grasswire Sep 2014 #74

I really get pissed at statements like yours! upaloopa Sep 2014 #77

thank you for your service, and peace to you grasswire Sep 2014 #79

You should not be involved in sending kids to war upaloopa Sep 2014 #83

And on a side note, you don't have to thank me for my service. upaloopa Sep 2014 #84

Wow Egnever Sep 2014 #93

Well the PC bullshit gets hard to take sometimes. upaloopa Sep 2014 #96

I Fear The Percentages Will Get Even Higher ProfessorGAC Sep 2014 #78

Upper crust children don't get drafted liberal N proud Sep 2014 #80

a lottery with no deferments... grasswire Sep 2014 #81

And you think that would change? liberal N proud Sep 2014 #82

why would we ever presume that the rich would not have a way out? reddread Sep 2014 #97

Common sense sounds so refreshing. JaneyVee Sep 2014 #2

It comes so rarely from Congress Aerows Sep 2014 #18

I agree 100%. eom Purveyor Sep 2014 #3

I DISAGREE 1000%. The reason we got rid of the draft was because it was only the draft pnwmom Sep 2014 #4

Thank you. tazkcmo Sep 2014 #6

Our service people served tour after tour in the last Oil War BuelahWitch Sep 2014 #24

The whole war should never have been fought. But if we had a draft, we'd never have pulled out. n/t pnwmom Sep 2014 #25

But we're going back, so what's the difference? BuelahWitch Sep 2014 #26

Maybe fifty thousand American lives or more. nt pnwmom Sep 2014 #29

You want to add piles and piles of bodies and ensure the war lasts even longer? n/t kcr Sep 2014 #56

It's silly to imply no draft is making it shorter BuelahWitch Sep 2014 #57

It's just as silly to think as draft might end things Lurks Often Sep 2014 #58

It will wake people up out of their stupor, that's what I'm saying BuelahWitch Sep 2014 #59

It won't wake people from their stupor Lurks Often Sep 2014 #60

I don't think you get to make the rules BuelahWitch Sep 2014 #61

Lol, I see you're not much different from the politicians you claim to hate Lurks Often Sep 2014 #62

No, I'm implying no such thing. kcr Sep 2014 #75

A draft, or the threat of one, will wake people up BuelahWitch Sep 2014 #88

Wrong. Richard Nixon ended the draft; he's hardly a progressive. The draft made ALL Americans ... Scuba Sep 2014 #48

Progressives fought to end the draft. Nixon knuckled under when his life was falling apart. n/t pnwmom Sep 2014 #65

Well we need to get rid of old-time "cannon fodder" and not give exceptions for being wealthy and kelliekat44 Sep 2014 #49

They got rid of the academic deferments during the Vietnam war. And there will always be pnwmom Sep 2014 #66

It also helped stop that war. They learned from that, when every citizen has a stake sabrina 1 Sep 2014 #64

It would have stopped years sooner if they'd had to rely on a volunteer army pnwmom Sep 2014 #67

They now have MERCENARIES to take up the slack. There were over one hundred sabrina 1 Sep 2014 #68

If a war is justified, as in WW2, then people will also volunteer, on their own, pnwmom Sep 2014 #73

That war was unpopular BECAUSE OF the draft NickB79 Sep 2014 #71

There were millions of troops involved in that war, so of course it touched most people's families. pnwmom Sep 2014 #91

Agree as well. The well connected will always find a way not to serve. The 1% children will never Erose999 Sep 2014 #87

Everyone should have to think about it when our country decides to join or start a war loyalsister Sep 2014 #5

It already includes both sexes Warpy Oct 2014 #101

Oh, as if the general populace would have any say in the matter of war. djean111 Sep 2014 #7

I fought against the draft when we had one Dale Neiburg Sep 2014 #8

Not this "reinstatement of the draft" crap again Lurks Often Sep 2014 #9

I would like to rephrase your last sentence to sadoldgirl Sep 2014 #10

That's naive nonsense Lurks Often Sep 2014 #23

I'm not for feeding more lives to the Defense Industry. Giving them money too is insanity. chrisa Sep 2014 #11

NO! GitRDun Sep 2014 #12

It's called having skin in the game Joe Turner Sep 2014 #13

Agree BuelahWitch Sep 2014 #21

They got rid of the college deferments during Vietnam and it didn't lead to any shortening pnwmom Sep 2014 #27

With their kids and the kids of the rest of the rich out of play, I sincerely doubt it. chrisa Sep 2014 #38

Are you willing to fund a massive increase in the size of military? hack89 Sep 2014 #72

Fuck the draft. Warren Stupidity Sep 2014 #14

Bingo... awoke_in_2003 Sep 2014 #33

But they ARE going to fight these wars....so better figure who's gonna pay for it! TheNutcracker Sep 2014 #52

Rangel is 100% correct. 99Forever Sep 2014 #15

How would a draft cost warmongers personally when their family would be immune to the draft? chrisa Sep 2014 #39

It's fantasy anyway, so in my version... 99Forever Sep 2014 #43

We now have what amounts to an economic draft. JEB Sep 2014 #16

A draft is needed to get a well rounded military and not a professional army. CK_John Sep 2014 #17

Progressive taxes. - Yes. Forced to labor at killing people - No. n/t pampango Sep 2014 #19

Let's Draft Congressmen First Wolf Frankula Sep 2014 #20

He already did, he's a Korean War Vet n/t BuelahWitch Sep 2014 #22

Especially the Kochs and the big oil families BuelahWitch Sep 2014 #28

War tax yes, draft no. former9thward Sep 2014 #30

About a draft, it may be a good idea if it causes politicians to think twice about involving the US Louisiana1976 Sep 2014 #31

NO DRAFT!! HeiressofBickworth Sep 2014 #32

I think he's bluffing. immoderate Sep 2014 #34

No, this is a near-constant refrain from Rangel... Chan790 Sep 2014 #47

"Greatest Generation" and Baby Boomers are the biggest supporters of war Shoulders of Giants Sep 2014 #35

Boomers protested against the Vietnam War Art_from_Ark Sep 2014 #55

If that poll is accurate, why do the older generations vote for the warmongers? Shoulders of Giants Oct 2014 #100

Not sure of anyone in the military for a draft. Separation Sep 2014 #36

I have an alternative proposal Man from Pickens Sep 2014 #37

We were just discussing this at dinner-hadn't yet read Rangel's words. War has to have the attention lunasun Sep 2014 #40

Democrats supporting a return to the draft is a really good idea. tritsofme Sep 2014 #41

Oh yeah....the DEBT. tblue Sep 2014 #42

Let the war profiteers pay the war taxes. SamKnause Sep 2014 #44

Agree about the war tax, hate the draft idea minivan2 Sep 2014 #45

Hell NO! Sorry Charlie reddread Sep 2014 #46

How about taxing the billionaire elite more? mb999 Sep 2014 #50

The military turns away volunteers madville Sep 2014 #51

Oh please.... sgtbenobo Sep 2014 #89

80% currently get turned away madville Sep 2014 #99

You must be talking the military of 35 years ago yeoman6987 Oct 2014 #102

I'll be with a draft the turnout for elections will be higher than 52% presidential, 17-30 midterms TheNutcracker Sep 2014 #53

PS...recipe for apathy TheNutcracker Sep 2014 #54

This dumb draftee is against the draft but the late Colonel Hackworth had an interesting perspective Brother Buzz Sep 2014 #63

We can't afford a fair draft hack89 Sep 2014 #70

Will Rangel Iamthetruth Sep 2014 #76

Lol, no BlindTiresias Sep 2014 #85

Can we pass the "war tax" on the oil men and the MIC since this is their war? I ain't paying for Erose999 Sep 2014 #86

So you are going to Tax me to help make wealthy people richer. dilby Sep 2014 #90

Hey Charlie! Give us a list of your eligible family members. Then we can talk. n/t. cherokeeprogressive Sep 2014 #92

Not just no but hell no. If anyone thinks they can get congress to pass a fair and equitable draft, uppityperson Sep 2014 #94

I have a better idea Egnever Sep 2014 #95

Yes, yes, yes, yes, 1000 times yes. n/t Hotler Sep 2014 #98