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In reply to the discussion: How come almost everybody on here doesn't like Hillary? [View all]sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)Hillary and Obama. The reasons were, Obama had opposed the Iraq War, he opposed Mandated Insurance and he promised to close that blight on humanity, Guantanamo Bay. He also promised to protect SS from the usual suspects AND he opposed Torture.
Hillary was hesitant on torture, she supported the Heritage Foundation Mandated Ins, she had voted for the War in Iraq and wasn't too strong on SS.
There was no way I would ever support anyone, as I stated on the night of that vote, who supported Bush's War in Iraq.
But fortunately in 2008, we had a candidate who had opposed it.
I believe in the end most Dems got on board with Obama, eight years of Bush policies terrified people enough to set aside their differences and enough Independents got on board with Hillary supporters and of course those of us who supported Obama and voted for the Democrat.
Times have changed. But for those of us who refuse to ever support anyone who when they had the chance to cast a 'no' vote, chose not to, if Hillary is the candidate, we have no choice, unlike in 2008.
Independents, many of them former Dems, will not support Hillary just as they did not in 2008.
Hillary lost in 2008 because of her Iraq War Vote. People had a choice then. If she is the nominee, those same people will not have a choice and most Dems I know who refused and continue to refuse to support ANYONE who got it SO WRONG then, will never vote for her.
So, she lost in 2008. What makes you think she will win now? Do you really think that people will set aside their consciences for political purposes? Some may, but many won't.
I will be focusing on Congress if she is the nominee but I will never support anyone whose judgement was so bad and who has never even admitted it. Imo, anyone who made that disastrous decision doesn't have what it takes to be a leader.
I am hoping we will have a choice, but I hope the party is listening, enough people like me, who in the past, held their noses and voted for the Dem, won't be doing that anymore. In doing so we became part of the problem.