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Xyzse

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89. I don't understand the problem.

Tue Sep 23, 2014, 12:43 AM

Sep 2014

If people want to complain about his food, then don't eat there.

Thing is, when dealing with Chinese restaurants, I tend to think the dingier it looks, the better the food tastes.
Crazy I know, but experience shows me that it is true.

I will never again go to PF Changs whose food is pretentiously disgusting. You go there for the ambiance and the liquor.
You go to a place like "Dirty Drawers" to get that fat, greased up bad for you food that does a sensory overload on your tongue.

I find this story hilarious all around, and I am pretty sure he won't suffer for this in regards to his customers.
The ones that complain won't be going there any how, and those that do, go there for the flavor.

I predict that this is a net gain for the guy. That is, until the health and sanitation inspectors get to him.

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San Francisco restaurant closes and leaves angry note: "we don't give a f*** about gluten-free" [View all] Liberal_in_LA Sep 2014 OP

It took the UK to post this thing? I'm unsure how outraged to be, walked down Grant St. Friday.... NYC_SKP Sep 2014 #1

Grant Street? I love that Wok Shop store on Grant Street! R B Garr Sep 2014 #13

Park at any lot along Mission from 2nd to 6th, lots of construction lately. NYC_SKP Sep 2014 #14

One of the best parts of SF is that you don't need a car! Luminous Animal Sep 2014 #33

A car is a curse. I lived in NYC for 10+ years, only bought a car when I left. NYC_SKP Sep 2014 #42

San Francisco is tiny Retrograde Sep 2014 #91

That is why I went at 23 tabbycat31 Sep 2014 #275

Thanks for the tip, NYC_SKP! That's good to know. R B Garr Sep 2014 #84

So Chinese Restaurant is in South of Market. I used to work near it and it was pretty good. Luminous Animal Sep 2014 #16

Are you kidding? peabody Sep 2014 #50

That would be Sam Woo in LA. Not affiliated with Sam Wo in San Francisco. Oops. Luminous Animal Sep 2014 #93

Oh sorry! peabody Sep 2014 #95

And I agree. Sam Woo is tasty. Luminous Animal Sep 2014 #99

This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Sep 2014 #108

Lol, I also heard they got surly because they're open so late and R B Garr Sep 2014 #238

This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Sep 2014 #264

Well! You are...... R B Garr Sep 2014 #273

Thanks, I'm going to look this up. We love restaurant tips from locals. R B Garr Sep 2014 #87

Oh, totally! It was an experience! And I can understand missing that. PM me the neighborhood Luminous Animal Sep 2014 #92

Great! I'll do that. We'll be coming back from a trip to Chicago, R B Garr Sep 2014 #232

I love the food peabody Sep 2014 #94

Did he resemble this guy? delete_bush Sep 2014 #185

I didn't see this post 'til now, thanks! I'm going to try that Sam Woo's in L.A. R B Garr Sep 2014 #278

Cheap, greasy Chinese food is one of my ultimate culinary guilty pleasures. nomorenomore08 Sep 2014 #132

Is Hunan House Still There? Dirty Socialist Sep 2014 #32

It's still there and there are a couple of other Hunan House's in the city, too. Luminous Animal Sep 2014 #35

Googled and bookmarked it! Thanks. n/t R B Garr Sep 2014 #88

I love to cruise Chinatown in San Francisco.. but if you should get bored there.. yuiyoshida Sep 2014 #131

This was all over the SF press days ago. HuckleB Sep 2014 #212

It is his restaurant, he can run it however he wants to. kwassa Sep 2014 #2

uhoh GummyBearz Sep 2014 #11

Nope. Informed consumers, where we expect to be told what's in a dish. Libertarians don't wanna. freshwest Sep 2014 #59

well no he can't. He has to at least comply with state and local regulations. Warren Stupidity Sep 2014 #40

Is it state and local regulation that you MUST serve gluten free, non-MSG, organic meals? mainer Sep 2014 #163

California and SF have very strict food regulations. Warren Stupidity Sep 2014 #189

Well..."Fuck off" is iffy, but... Chan790 Sep 2014 #254

Oh course, even if it is right into the ground. ohnoyoudidnt Sep 2014 #186

Finally someone has the guts to face down the food freaks. former9thward Sep 2014 #3

Um, in San Francisco "the food freaks" are also known as "your customers". Warren Stupidity Sep 2014 #4

Apparently he has weighed the risks of closing down and made his choice. nt Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2014 #6

He closed for one day. Luminous Animal Sep 2014 #12

Yet sent a pretty clear message Egnever Sep 2014 #20

Meh. Opened the next day. Same people eating there. Luminous Animal Sep 2014 #26

Oh you know all his customers? Egnever Sep 2014 #27

Yes. Luminous Animal Sep 2014 #30

What is the message? MattBaggins Sep 2014 #76

This message was self-deleted by its author Egnever Sep 2014 #20

Do they think they're the only Chinese restaurant in SF? tblue Sep 2014 #123

You nailed it. Good restaurants care about serving good food and make an effort pnwmom Sep 2014 #125

Good chinese food just isn't gluten-free... Chan790 Sep 2014 #257

That's ridiculous. There is no cuisine that is completely gluten-free, but Chinese food pnwmom Sep 2014 #267

um, er, that was my point. Obviously I wasn't clear. Warren Stupidity Sep 2014 #136

Right now I'm thinking it would be Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2014 #5

This food freak gets intestinal bleeding when she eats gluten. pnwmom Sep 2014 #45

Well then would you go to his shop Egnever Sep 2014 #66

I'm glad he's open about it at least, but what really bothers me are the intolerant pnwmom Sep 2014 #67

And wheat free soy sauce tastes like crap MattBaggins Sep 2014 #77

You have got to be kidding. All traditional soy sauce is wheat free. Luminous Animal Sep 2014 #97

I don't think that is true MattBaggins Sep 2014 #101

You think wrong. Traditional Chinese soy sauce is 100% soy. pnwmom Sep 2014 #115

I am going to go ahead and disagree with you MattBaggins Sep 2014 #169

I just gave you a link that shows traditional Chinese soy is 100% soy. pnwmom Sep 2014 #192

Traditional Japanese soy sauces contain wheat, but Art_from_Ark Sep 2014 #139

Tamari vs. Shoyu. Real tamari, not American labeled "tamari", is 100% soy. Shoyu or soy sauce KittyWampus Sep 2014 #140

The Japanese soy sauce I linked to is called "shoyu" Art_from_Ark Sep 2014 #148

Traditional Chinese soy is 100% soy. Wheat was a modern addition. pnwmom Sep 2014 #194

No, it tastes like soy sauce. Wheat isn't a necessary ingredient. Soy is. n/t pnwmom Sep 2014 #114

No that roasted wheat is an integral flavor component MattBaggins Sep 2014 #171

Restaurants use... DavidG_WI Sep 2014 #85

Shouldn't I expect every restaurant to follow the laws that apply to them, pnwmom Sep 2014 #116

Most don't unless DavidG_WI Sep 2014 #120

Not true. Most good restaurants will accommodate even though they don't have a gluten free menu. pnwmom Sep 2014 #121

Then do your research... DavidG_WI Sep 2014 #80

I have fish sauce in my fridge ...... kwassa Sep 2014 #158

Why? I already know that 100% soy sauce is the traditional Chinese sauce. pnwmom Sep 2014 #195

But... DavidG_WI Sep 2014 #209

In my experience in Seattle, they usually already have it. But if they don't, they're happy pnwmom Sep 2014 #210

So, you have celiac disease? HuckleB Sep 2014 #214

No, I'm not mad at them at all. The more people ask for gluten-free foods, pnwmom Sep 2014 #223

So, you want to ignore the fact that many more people than those who have celiac disease... HuckleB Sep 2014 #244

Why are Celiac people the only people with a right to be concerned about gluten in food? pnwmom Sep 2014 #247

So supposition is your next response? HuckleB Sep 2014 #252

According to you, people with Celiac and other gluten sensitivity should never be able pnwmom Sep 2014 #269

Me too. Same deal here. Enthusiast Sep 2014 #279

Thanks customerserviceguy Sep 2014 #133

Food freaks? upaloopa Sep 2014 #180

People who want to foist their food views on everyone else are food freaks. former9thward Sep 2014 #193

Where is this "elsewhere" that they can eat? Chinese restaurants have no more trouble pnwmom Sep 2014 #197

Restaurants do not have to cater to every taste. former9thward Sep 2014 #199

Restaurants are bound by the ADA to make reasonable accommodations. pnwmom Sep 2014 #202

You have posted this before and it is untrue. former9thward Sep 2014 #205

I posted the link from the government's own website about the requirements of the ADA pnwmom Sep 2014 #206

I did read it. former9thward Sep 2014 #225

You can ask a restaurant what is in the food and that is not upaloopa Sep 2014 #198

The restaurant in the OP is not stopping anyone from asking what is in the food. former9thward Sep 2014 #200

Fine and they do not care to serve people like me upaloopa Sep 2014 #203

The owner of that restaurant was mad that night because someone said his food was too spicy pnwmom Sep 2014 #208

Right. And I often ask what they have that's good for people with Celiac. pnwmom Sep 2014 #207

This message was self-deleted by its author merrily Sep 2014 #218

I doubt he will do fine with that attitude toward customers. merrily Sep 2014 #220

The customer is not always right. former9thward Sep 2014 #226

Irrelevant. The customer always pays his mortgage. merrily Sep 2014 #230

A group of people refused to pay because the food was too spicy at a place that is known Luminous Animal Sep 2014 #231

Yes, I know. Still, an fu to all customers is not a smart business move. merrily Sep 2014 #234

This city is experiencing an influx of twitterjerks who treat staff Luminous Animal Sep 2014 #241

He's getting some support but also losing some customers. merrily Sep 2014 #243

He could give Basil Fawlty some lessons in customer diplomacy. n/t Crunchy Frog Sep 2014 #7

+1 ! lunasun Sep 2014 #79

I can't say I blame the guy. Aristus Sep 2014 #8

then he's in the wrong line of work. unblock Sep 2014 #34

Or the customer could go to a restaurant that serves food more closely in line with their dietary Aristus Sep 2014 #38

i have plenty of food issues (migraine triggers) but i've eaten at many restaurants no problem. unblock Sep 2014 #48

A Chinese restaurant is typically one of the better options for a person with gluten sensitivity. pnwmom Sep 2014 #129

Oh God. Here we go again. I'm not a "trained diagnostician." Just a trained diagnostician. Aristus Sep 2014 #149

Uh, no. A restaurant chef is not one's personal chef. Read the menu; like it or leave. WinkyDink Sep 2014 #44

then the menu should say no substitutions or modifications or something, and the chef unblock Sep 2014 #53

It's a small family owned restaurant that does a robust lunch business. There are plenty Luminous Animal Sep 2014 #63

no one's disputing their right to run their business poorly. unblock Sep 2014 #72

It is a popular restaurant and I've little doubt it will continue to be popular. Funny thing... Luminous Animal Sep 2014 #81

Your comment makes sense get the red out Sep 2014 #250

I have to disagree.... sendero Sep 2014 #130

doesn't sound like the complaint is about one-offs unblock Sep 2014 #135

It isn't actually such a small number. And don't those people matter, too? They do under the ADA. pnwmom Sep 2014 #47

Then don't go to the restaurant. former9thward Sep 2014 #103

The ADA does cover restaurants, according to the government's ADA website. pnwmom Sep 2014 #110

Try again. former9thward Sep 2014 #147

That would assume its prepared from scratch Travis_0004 Sep 2014 #259

I have fibromyalgia and it is not a fad disorder. It is diagnosable and It is no fun. yellowdogintexas Sep 2014 #69

I didn't say it wasn't diagnosable. I'm a trained diagnostician. Aristus Sep 2014 #90

i am deathly allergic to fish, so i order crab noiretextatique Sep 2014 #181

Nobody wants it. I certainly don't want bleeding and cramps every time I eat gluten, pnwmom Sep 2014 #127

PLUS ONE, a huge bunch! Enthusiast Sep 2014 #282

Sounds like he's really tired of his customers. merrily Sep 2014 #222

Try: Gluten-free 5w-30 All-weather Detergent Motor Oil! Eleanors38 Sep 2014 #9

Oooo, Vani Hari, the "Food Babe" will show up and smack him. GoneOffShore Sep 2014 #10

Correct... Oktober Sep 2014 #15

I'm sure his Yelp will be trashed.... ProudToBeBlueInRhody Sep 2014 #17

Nope. The majority of the reviews have been very positive since the local reporting a few days ago. Luminous Animal Sep 2014 #23

The Yelp comments are amusing, many supportive of the chef. mainer Sep 2014 #161

I will definitely try them out next time I'm in Frisco. Throd Sep 2014 #18

Wrong state. Luminous Animal Sep 2014 #19

Thank you. CaptainTruth Sep 2014 #24

De nada. Luminous Animal Sep 2014 #29

If I wanted good Chinese in SF I'd go to CaptainTruth Sep 2014 #22

The best Chinese food served in San Francisco is in the Richmond District. Luminous Animal Sep 2014 #25

Right on! peabody Sep 2014 #57

Dim Sum to die for and some of the best spicy Chinese food to make your hair stand on end. Luminous Animal Sep 2014 #65

Is Henry's Hunan hifiguy Sep 2014 #188

Seems there are more people asking for gluten-free than there are people who are allergic to it. RandySF Sep 2014 #28

How would you know? And what difference does it make? I'm glad more people are asking for it pnwmom Sep 2014 #51

Gluten aggravates my Morgellon's Disease jberryhill Sep 2014 #104

This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Sep 2014 #109

Gluten gives me the symptoms of ulcerative colitis, including bleeding and cramps. pnwmom Sep 2014 #119

My wife is allergic to tomato sauce and citrus jberryhill Sep 2014 #134

Its part of the "paleo" fad diet. Which is pretty much the old Atkins diet, with more pseudoscience Erose999 Sep 2014 #174

And Atkins is little more than an age old low carb diet, once known merrily Sep 2014 #246

My five year old sons are gluten free because one of them has autism Crunchy Frog Sep 2014 #277

Anyone who has a gluten allergy and/or Jenoch Sep 2014 #31

+1 840high Sep 2014 #37

The Chinese restaurant near us never uses MSG, and it's no problem for me pnwmom Sep 2014 #52

You have found a solution to solve your situation. Jenoch Sep 2014 #60

Ever hear of the Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA)? It covers restaurants, too. pnwmom Sep 2014 #68

I am not sure the ADA requires restaueqnts Jenoch Sep 2014 #75

The link you are asking for is what I just gave you -- the government's own website pnwmom Sep 2014 #112

The ADA does NOT require "fundamental alterations" Rocket_Scientist65 Sep 2014 #150

I never said it did. But in the Seattle area anyway, most Chinese restaurants can easily omit MSG pnwmom Sep 2014 #165

The accommodations for real Celiac Sprue and not the fad disease everyone claims to have MattBaggins Sep 2014 #82

I guess I am one of those fad people because I only have gluten-sensitive Crohn's disease, pnwmom Sep 2014 #113

Why would you you attempt to eat food from an Asian restrauant? Jenoch Sep 2014 #117

For the exact same reason you would. It tastes good. pnwmom Sep 2014 #118

"When it is easy to do so" Retrograde Sep 2014 #98

It is no hardship not to put MSG in food or to substitute a wheat-free brand of soy sauce. n/t pnwmom Sep 2014 #124

I dont think the chef is sprinkling msg on the dish as it leaves the kitchen Travis_0004 Sep 2014 #262

They use base sauces. Either bought in or made in-house. Then they add flavorings to make each of th Erose999 Sep 2014 #265

Many Chinese restaurants can either put it in or leave it out. pnwmom Sep 2014 #266

"PF Chang" is Mandarin for "Olive Garden" jberryhill Sep 2014 #106

ROFL gollygee Sep 2014 #142

here hear MattBaggins Sep 2014 #175

and, if you have food allergies, you should be cooking your own food SoCalDem Sep 2014 #54

"Gluten allergy?" You mean celiac disease, right? HuckleB Sep 2014 #215

Itallian food has a lot more MSG than chinese food Quixote1818 Sep 2014 #36

And? Scootaloo Sep 2014 #39

Why would you want to smack someone when you see a gluten-free label? pnwmom Sep 2014 #74

Because fruit doesn't have gluten, it is a dumb label. Rather like cholesterol free hard candy. uppityperson Sep 2014 #100

Better overdone than not done at all -- which is more common, pnwmom Sep 2014 #111

Should bottled water be labeled Gluten and Cholesterol Free? uppityperson Sep 2014 #155

Why not? They are already labeled 0% protein and 0% fat -- right on the standard label. pnwmom Sep 2014 #162

Do you think it fair to require things obviously not there to be listed. Like that h2o bottle? uppityperson Sep 2014 #167

Of course it's fair to have a standard label, even though some of the answers may be ZERO. pnwmom Sep 2014 #201

When you stoop to insulting replies, I am done with you. eom uppityperson Sep 2014 #228

I would have expected a nurse to be more understanding. Sorry if you view that as an insult. n/t pnwmom Sep 2014 #233

Expect a nurse to have knowledge and common sense, not to blindly go along with silliness. uppityperson Sep 2014 #236

Because I've never known a nurse to take that dismissive attitude about gluten sensitivity. pnwmom Sep 2014 #245

The "dismissive attitude" is towards labeling plain water as gluten and cholesterol free. uppityperson Sep 2014 #248

I'm asking for gluten to be labeled IF IT IS IN THE PRODUCT. pnwmom Sep 2014 #251

Yet you said you want it on bottled water labels,even though it is not in there. uppityperson Sep 2014 #256

I want it listed on the standard label. Even bottled water comes with standard labels, pnwmom Sep 2014 #268

Maybe the commercials for Green Giant etal. whistler162 Sep 2014 #280

But juice drinks sometimes have gluten added as a thickening and flavor agent. Enthusiast Sep 2014 #284

I wouldn't be at all surprised to find gluten in some juices. Enthusiast Sep 2014 #283

Good for them. bigwillq Sep 2014 #41

Restaurants are covered by the ADA law. pnwmom Sep 2014 #73

I have to really question your understanding of Celiacs if you think MattBaggins Sep 2014 #83

This isn't just about people with Celiac disease. But most of them can still be accommodated pnwmom Sep 2014 #122

Wonton wrappers, potstickers, steamed buns, egg roll wrappers all contain wheat REP Sep 2014 #177

Same with peanut allergies. And Chinese cooking uses peanut oil, which gets into everything. mainer Sep 2014 #179

So? I can eat most stir fry dishes, and it's not too hard for them to use a clean wok. pnwmom Sep 2014 #191

Ever work in a Chinese restaurant? I have, in the kitchen REP Sep 2014 #271

You worked in a filthy restaurant that was ignoring safety codes. pnwmom Sep 2014 #272

How does one "not believe in" organic food? WinkyDink Sep 2014 #43

They probbaly mean they don't believe in getting clucked at Dreamer Tatum Sep 2014 #46

That was probably just an "and another thing" he added SoCalDem Sep 2014 #58

At a guess, I'd say it's a matter of whether you believe so-called "organic" food... Silent3 Sep 2014 #64

Imported foods and cost DavidG_WI Sep 2014 #102

Its a Chinese fucking restaurant! Don't go there if your food allergies are a problem!! riderinthestorm Sep 2014 #49

So? MSG isn't a key part of traditional Chinese food. My mother learned to cook it from pnwmom Sep 2014 #55

Would all these nasty posts against people with food sensitivities/allergies be tolerated pnwmom Sep 2014 #56

Of course they wouldn't be... a la izquierda Sep 2014 #126

Good luck on the challenge. I hope you get it figured out soon. pnwmom Sep 2014 #128

I cook when I visit my parents. a la izquierda Sep 2014 #285

I'm sorry for all the rudeness and insensitivity. tblue Sep 2014 #213

Thank you, tblue. pnwmom Sep 2014 #221

Thanks so much. a la izquierda Sep 2014 #286

+1 The arrogance of the fortunate. They sound like Republicans tblue Sep 2014 #211

The key word in your post is " traditional". riderinthestorm Sep 2014 #70

I was responding to YOUR post about traditional Chinese restaurants. Should all Chinese restaurants pnwmom Sep 2014 #71

you've posted it a gazillion times, do you understand it? Scout Sep 2014 #224

No skinny, organic, gluten free General Tso's Chicken? Barack_America Sep 2014 #61

I'm picky, but I suffer in silence ecstatic Sep 2014 #62

yes, but do they speak Cat fluently? (SFW, but barely) MisterP Sep 2014 #78

Um... DavidG_WI Sep 2014 #86

it's based on an--interesting--cafe that appeared on Gordon Ramsay's "Kitchen Nightmares" MisterP Sep 2014 #96

Oh Jesus, I don't know if I can handle that trainwreck awesomeness. nt DRoseDARs Sep 2014 #105

Thanks for enlightening me to a subcultural reference I had no idea existed. KittyWampus Sep 2014 #143

LOL ... Tuesday Afternoon Sep 2014 #196

I don't understand the problem. Xyzse Sep 2014 #89

This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Sep 2014 #107

'Cause gluten-free soy sauce is so fucking hard to find... SidDithers Sep 2014 #137

The Daily Fail... tenderfoot Sep 2014 #138

meh, he's out of business. Javaman Sep 2014 #141

i have problems with lactose-so i do not go to ice cream stands--i do not demand that dembotoz Sep 2014 #144

I like MSG and organic food and extra gluten. Renew Deal Sep 2014 #145

Me too! get the red out Sep 2014 #183

Not asking questions is the most important part. Renew Deal Sep 2014 #229

I read this thread and wanted more 10 minutes later. (nt) Inkfreak Sep 2014 #146

Diversity foe struggling to cope with diversity-friendly neighborhood. Orsino Sep 2014 #151

So now one is forced to honor diversity by catering to vegans who REFUSE diversity? mainer Sep 2014 #166

Yeah, that's exactly what happened here. Orsino Sep 2014 #172

When I go to a vegan's house, I have to eat vegan. When he comes to my house, I have to cook vegan. mainer Sep 2014 #178

When a vegan comes to my restaurant... Orsino Sep 2014 #182

Drop your vegan acquaintances or find an activity other than eating. merrily Sep 2014 #235

Find me a different set of relatives and then I could. mainer Sep 2014 #239

Again, try doing something other than a conventional meal. merrily Sep 2014 #242

LOL sorry had to do it Mr Dixon Sep 2014 #152

You can't be allergic to MSG. mainer Sep 2014 #153

I'm sensitive to MSG. Eric J in MN Sep 2014 #156

Are you sure it was the MSG causing your symptoms and not something else? It's ubiquitous mainer Sep 2014 #157

Yes. Eric J in MN Sep 2014 #160

The Mayo Clinic has a less dismissive perspective on this than you do. pnwmom Sep 2014 #276

MSG gives me heart palpitations TexasMommaWithAHat Sep 2014 #173

The nocebo effect is getting stronger in the age of the Internet. HuckleB Sep 2014 #216

Baloney. You can be allergic to it. There is a difference in merrily Sep 2014 #240

Maybe you can find the controlled double blind study that proves it. mainer Sep 2014 #258

No, but some people can be sickened by eating MSG. He vented because pnwmom Sep 2014 #274

�no wonder they couldn't succeed in San Francisco librechik Sep 2014 #154

Didn't succeed? Go Vols Sep 2014 #263

I told a neighbor that the trash behind one "organic" themed restaurant was full of SYSCO boxes KurtNYC Sep 2014 #159

He got pissed off because a customer walked out without paying mainer Sep 2014 #164

MSG is awesome. And its not just in Chinese food, its used in Indian and Mid East food a lot as well Erose999 Sep 2014 #168

"Naturally occurring." Precisely. mainer Sep 2014 #170

Mock duck. Is that Muck? MattBaggins Sep 2014 #176

My favorite Chinese restaurant in St. Paul that is nearby MineralMan Sep 2014 #184

There are people close to me who want gluten-free MSG-free everything wyldwolf Sep 2014 #187

I get annoyed by people who ask stupid questions. Like, is your bread Gluten Free? dilby Sep 2014 #190

for you... Phentex Sep 2014 #227

Yeah, that is really funny and almost how I feel when I am eating with some friends. dilby Sep 2014 #260

People who need a gluten free diet should call ahead to see merrily Sep 2014 #237

Agreed. n/t dilby Sep 2014 #261

I'm going to be in SF on Thursday, I will stop there for lunch Sen. Walter Sobchak Sep 2014 #204

+1 HuckleB Sep 2014 #217

his restaurant, good for him! Scout Sep 2014 #219

Yes, posting on your door a "fuck you" to your customers and potential merrily Sep 2014 #249

I sympathize with Mr. Chu Warpy Sep 2014 #253

Asshat. merrily Sep 2014 #255

Don't let the refrigerator door hit ya on the way out MoonRiver Sep 2014 #270

Obviously his motto isn't.... whistler162 Sep 2014 #281