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23. problem they have

Wed Dec 21, 2011, 10:58 PM

Dec 2011

. . . is that you have to rely on how you believe this President will behave. A future president could decide under the objectionable status quo (mostly unaltered by the provisions) to opt for military detention or military tribunals as this President has advocated for a number of the prisoners along with the civilian trials he's advocated and tried to move to against Congress' roadblocks and refusals to fund the moves.

I happen to believe you are correct about the intentions of this President in signing this bill. He's trying to desperately hold on to the last threads of authority to carry out the different initiatives he's made to transfer prisoners out of Gitmo. That's not to say that his prescription for doing that is some ideal, but he's definitely trying to preserve what little assumed authority he has to make any of that happen by agreeing to this legislation from a Congress which has been almost unanimously hostile to those intentions.

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Breaking News: Obama to sign NDAA bill BUT also will issue a signing statement [View all] Tx4obama Dec 2011 OP

Just heart that! gateley Dec 2011 #1

He's unhappy with the part that cancels Eureka and Warehouse 13. n/t Ian David Dec 2011 #2

I hate to admit it but I love Warehouse 13. Obama signing this NDAA not so much.. think Dec 2011 #5

They cancelled Warehouse 13? n/t one_voice Dec 2011 #6

Oh my God, .They cancelled Warehouse 13? Autumn Dec 2011 #22

It's a tv show.. one_voice Dec 2011 #25

Hysterical. nt gateley Dec 2011 #7

words speak louder than actions? aletier_v Dec 2011 #3

Which part does he disagree with? Anyone know? Autumn Dec 2011 #4

Is this Obama's first signing statement? jtrockville Dec 2011 #8

I'm not positive but I think Rachel said Obama's had less than 10. Tx4obama Dec 2011 #10

Yeah, and Bush had HUNDREDS. nt gateley Dec 2011 #31

Signing statements basically hold no weight. joshcryer Dec 2011 #36

This message was self-deleted by its author Obamanaut Dec 2011 #9

You should realize that that was a RW theme karynnj Dec 2011 #17

This message was self-deleted by its author Obamanaut Dec 2011 #38

No - that is not what happened karynnj Dec 2011 #46

Are future presidents free to disregard that signing statement? cthulu2016 Dec 2011 #11

Of course they are. Bolo Boffin Dec 2011 #14

well, it might matter in court, but not as much as congress' intent bigtree Dec 2011 #12

The parts he's unhappy with...BOO HOO NorthCarolina Dec 2011 #13

I agree Demeter Dec 2011 #18

My guess: Warren Stupidity Dec 2011 #15

Executive authority, meaning frazzled Dec 2011 #16

problem they have bigtree Dec 2011 #23

Personally, I think ... frazzled Dec 2011 #26

I think you're making great sense and helped me understand it better. You should do this gateley Dec 2011 #32

It is in the hands of someone who used his authority to order the killing of two sabrina 1 Dec 2011 #37

and the issue cuts both ways Warren Stupidity Dec 2011 #44

That seems like a cop-out to me dreamnightwind Dec 2011 #19

No it does NOT do that. Tx4obama Dec 2011 #24

here are a few specifics DisgustipatedinCA Dec 2011 #28

Like I said in my previous comment Tx4obama Dec 2011 #29

He owns it TheKentuckian Dec 2011 #20

This is GREAT news and Obama deserves props for this!!! Logical Dec 2011 #21

"I won't use this now codified presidential power, MadHound Dec 2011 #27

Why is it that folks want to use the bill to change 'current law'? Tx4obama Dec 2011 #30

Codified. It's the same term you ignored from me above. DisgustipatedinCA Dec 2011 #33

Relevant sections are 1031 and 1032 MFrohike Dec 2011 #34

The numbers of those two sections are 'now' 1021 and 1022 Tx4obama Dec 2011 #35

I see MFrohike Dec 2011 #39

That's okay - for a couple days I was telling folks the wrong numbers too Tx4obama Dec 2011 #40

It codifies the Bush powers of being able to indefinitely detain "enemy combatants" MadHound Dec 2011 #45

Maddow: Breaking news segment video regarding NDAA bill & Obama's Signing Statement - VIDEO LINK Tx4obama Dec 2011 #41

if the bill is so super extra double good, as clearly explained here on DU piratefish08 Dec 2011 #42

It has nothing to do with being clear or not. Tx4obama Dec 2011 #43