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freshwest

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24. I blame Obama for putting single payer option in the ACA! VT and soon CA will take advantage of it.
Tue Sep 23, 2014, 01:27 PM
Sep 2014
People who truly want single payer had better get busy in their own states and elect the governors and legislatures that will vote this through.

The option is still there, didn't end with the big enrollment push last year, as it was in the law when it was passed in 2010 after Obama nearly broke the arms of every person who opposed any reform at all. The poison pills for private insurers were in the bill, such as their not being able to turn people away, no lifetime caps, no longer able to hide their costs of advertising, profit and administration as part of patient care. The law forced them to give back billions in rebates to the insured.

It also has provisions for the employees of the soon to be less profitable insurance companies to work at equal pay and benefits at government run health care agencies, like single payer. These facts are conveniently ignored by some. The ones not ignoring the ACA are those who would have never gotten care without the Medicaid expansion, which has saved many lives that the naysayers will never see, but they are important to many.

They could not wait for perfection. Life and death is in the now, not in a future that may never happen. Those who can't stop harping on this, seem to count those who would die as collateral damage on the road to utopia. I've had to argue with those who insist on being doctrinaire, when confronted with the fall out from their absolutism and insistence that one size fits all thinking in how programs should be dropped for the greater good and people died.

Those people had names, but now they're dead when they could have had long lives but it didn't fit their vision of utopia. But the ideologically pure have no remorse as long as they can hold on to their version of how things should be, and it doesn't affect those they know. That mentality is cold comfort to the families of the dead. I'm sure MM feels our pain just like all the purists do.

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M. Moore............... stewert Sep 2014 #1
not sure, used to be a fan but now he is reduced to doing this LOL snooper2 Sep 2014 #3
Message auto-removed Name removed Sep 2014 #22
And think of what we might have accomplished if Barack Obama el_bryanto Sep 2014 #2
yep G_j Sep 2014 #4
Bernie Sanders: Single Payer Never Had A Chance Cali_Democrat Sep 2014 #5
He could have put it on the table as an negotiating tactic el_bryanto Sep 2014 #6
Yea cause congress people cant count votes Egnever Sep 2014 #30
I know I'll be accused of Green Lanternism gratuitous Sep 2014 #7
While I agree with your thought process you must be aware that both Vermont and Bandit Sep 2014 #11
You may be accusex of being an Adult!-nt Anansi1171 Sep 2014 #37
while single payer did not have a chance questionseverything Sep 2014 #8
Nope. The public option didn't even make it out of committee Cali_Democrat Sep 2014 #9
Here's some reality - Barack Obama is pro-Wall Street down to his bones. nt el_bryanto Sep 2014 #10
LOL Cali_Democrat Sep 2014 #12
I responded up above to your links - but you deigned not to reply el_bryanto Sep 2014 #14
the house had passed a good bill with a public option questionseverything Sep 2014 #15
The final health care bill was indeed passed by reconciliation. merrily Sep 2014 #26
Well, Sanders is just a RW corporatist tool. baldguy Sep 2014 #21
I blame Obama for putting single payer option in the ACA! VT and soon CA will take advantage of it. freshwest Sep 2014 #24
Bingo. n/t QC Sep 2014 #20
And you actually think single payer would have passed? brush Sep 2014 #28
I think that even if it didn't pass it could have been put on the table el_bryanto Sep 2014 #34
Zero chance of passing equals zero negotiating power. nt brush Sep 2014 #39
+1 leftstreet Sep 2014 #32
He gets full credit, but 100 years from now nobody will remember the 2014 uninsured rate arcane1 Sep 2014 #13
Hopefully, in 100 yrs "uninsured" will be an alien concept to Americans. baldguy Sep 2014 #23
In 100 years? Bwahahaha! At the rate climate change is happening? nt valerief Sep 2014 #27
Nuclear winter tends to change the climate 951-Riverside Sep 2014 #31
I usually like Moore and can overlook some of his more obnoxious stuff LawDeeDah Sep 2014 #16
Why did your post remind me of this song? kentuck Sep 2014 #17
insurance is now mandatory. of course more people are insured Doctor_J Sep 2014 #18
+1 Scuba Sep 2014 #19
And rates are dropping. tridim Sep 2014 #29
So what? 75% of Americans were already insured leftstreet Sep 2014 #35
Yep leftstreet Sep 2014 #33
He'd reply he's 'bombing brown people now' maced666 Sep 2014 #25
I wish I also had a vacuous intent that prevents me from perceiving any one person beyond one stat LanternWaste Sep 2014 #36
There is no doubt that 100 years from now, MannyGoldstein Sep 2014 #38
Never miss a chance do you madokie Sep 2014 #41
I rarely do miss a chance MannyGoldstein Sep 2014 #45
Seems more like a weasel madokie Sep 2014 #47
MM will be remembered as a person who madokie Sep 2014 #40
Ahh, someone is jealous??? nt Logical Sep 2014 #43
Jealous madokie Sep 2014 #44
You forgot "Started another war!". Yea!!! nt Logical Sep 2014 #42
"Since the 90s"? How historic. Snort. LeftyMom Sep 2014 #46
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