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newblewtoo

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10. I was having a discussion

Tue Sep 23, 2014, 04:11 PM

Sep 2014

with an old friend about the difference between the sixties and today. One thing immediately came to mind for both of us, the draft. Charlie Rangel is right we need to reinstate the draft with NO exemptions, male or female. Much like the Marines, everyone qualifies 11Bravo, then gets a shot at a secondary MOS. If you cannot qualify you do your hitch in a public service job, one of the hardest working people I ever worked with was a quadriplegic.

Providing everyone a stake will make everyone focus. Amazing how an opinion about war and death takes on a new meaning when it is you who may do the dying.

Rangel is also right about needing to enact a war tax. You can more about his thoughts here: http://time.com/3403976/rangel-draft-tax/

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Did your heart drop? [View all] kentuck Sep 2014 OP

How about we create more sources of alternative energy? jwirr Sep 2014 #1

If there were no need for OIL..... humbled_opinion Sep 2014 #82

Americans are. Leaders succumb to the monied interests. grahamhgreen Sep 2014 #89

Work Hard liberalmike27 Sep 2014 #131

Here's what I keep thinking: With all the hysteria over ISIS cali Sep 2014 #2

True that. CaptainTruth Sep 2014 #7

Agree wholeheartedly. Louisiana1976 Sep 2014 #27

Welcome to DU, CaptainTruth! calimary Sep 2014 #60

No doubt. Enthusiast Sep 2014 #94

ISIS provides a convenient distraction for exactly that. GeorgeGist Sep 2014 #65

ISIS might exist for exactly that very purpose. Enthusiast Sep 2014 #95

My thoughts, too. freebrew Sep 2014 #121

I strongly believe that's the case. nm rhett o rick Sep 2014 #126

You are absolutely right. And polls taken a few years ago show that you are not the only sabrina 1 Sep 2014 #91

and our militarized police forces are also a greater threat noiretextatique Sep 2014 #98

Well, of course. Fantastic Anarchist Sep 2014 #125

Exactly. Fantastic Anarchist Sep 2014 #123

America will wage war forever. tecelote Sep 2014 #3

Well, that was depressing. WorseBeforeBetter Sep 2014 #8

Revolution is the only way to stop it. Initech Sep 2014 #70

We're too placated to revolt. Fantastic Anarchist Sep 2014 #129

Perpetual war is what they want malaise Sep 2014 #4

The propagation of a forever expansion of MIC spending for as long as others will continue to indepat Sep 2014 #74

It's coming sooner than they think malaise Sep 2014 #112

I've thought so ever since the gipper foisted his voodoo economics upon us which was thereafter indepat Sep 2014 #141

No, because he wasn't telling me anything I didn't already know. n/t malthaussen Sep 2014 #5

Probably the one most significant change that will put an end to our Baitball Blogger Sep 2014 #6

No - I expected that. 840high Sep 2014 #9

not only were you expecting it, you were cheering it on .. 2banon Sep 2014 #21

You know me? I don't know you. 840high Sep 2014 #73

i don't know if this person was, but some here are cheering on this atrocity noiretextatique Sep 2014 #99

I was having a discussion newblewtoo Sep 2014 #10

Absolutely No abelenkpe Sep 2014 #14

Back in the day, everyone went pscot Sep 2014 #45

The Rich only Go into Combat if they Want To AndyTiedye Sep 2014 #53

No, it's only if WE want them to, as we can make laws to make it tougher to draft dodge, regardless whathehell Sep 2014 #140

You Would End Up Forcing Disabled People into Combat AndyTiedye Sep 2014 #142

Sorry, but that's about the most easily refuted argument against the draft I've ever heard. whathehell Sep 2014 #147

Getting a 4F Depended Greatly on One's Access to Doctors AndyTiedye Sep 2014 #149

No, it didn't because the draft board employs doctors to "screen" people. whathehell Sep 2014 #150

Exactly..I get tired of this "the rich won't serve" as if it were a foregone conclusion whathehell Sep 2014 #107

But it might change the minds of those ... aggiesal Sep 2014 #59

I agree..Enough with 'the little people' fighting the wars..When everyone is in, whathehell Sep 2014 #116

Disagree. The draft would include millions of middle class youth and that will get people's rhett o rick Sep 2014 #132

Precisely Sherman A1 Sep 2014 #16

No and No AndyTiedye Sep 2014 #58

Your opinion Sherman A1 Sep 2014 #71

here we go again, promoting that old canard as the solution. 2banon Sep 2014 #22

Sorry, but that old "canard" worked..There was no "get out of war free" card in WWII whathehell Sep 2014 #118

Yes, elleng Sep 2014 #25

He Was Wrong Then and he is Wrong Now AndyTiedye Sep 2014 #62

About Rangel's idea of a draft for men and women, absolutely not. The rich will find legal ways to Louisiana1976 Sep 2014 #33

That didn't work in WWII. All five of FDR's sons were in that war, four in combat..Even Poppy Bush whathehell Sep 2014 #80

Apples and Oranges hueymahl Sep 2014 #110

"Many (but not all) of the sons of the wealthy went, but that was because they had to" whathehell Sep 2014 #114

Um...NO! SammyWinstonJack Sep 2014 #44

A Draft Can NEVER be Fair AndyTiedye Sep 2014 #51

No thanks BlindTiresias Sep 2014 #54

I've argued that forever Capt. Obvious Sep 2014 #78

A draft doesn't guarantee that the blood is actually shared Hippo_Tron Sep 2014 #84

Also, everyone gets paid on the level of the common enlisted man. Fantastic Anarchist Sep 2014 #135

Historically, perpetual war bankrupts empires, causing their eventual fall. Lex Sep 2014 #11

Ever Hear About A Book About... ChiciB1 Sep 2014 #19

Just An Added Comment, I Read ChiciB1 Sep 2014 #20

Corporations have moved beyond the quaint notion of state sovereignty bobduca Sep 2014 #90

No where did I say "state sovereignty" so take off your quotes. Lex Sep 2014 #137

Apologies Lex, I'm not sure what I was responding to. bobduca Sep 2014 #138

Guess what. We're not likely to completely leave Afghanistan anytime soon either. progressoid Sep 2014 #12

Albert Einstein is dead. littlemissmartypants Sep 2014 #13

NO lsewpershad Sep 2014 #15

The House of War PeoViejo Sep 2014 #106

It's time to take all our money and invest in proReality Sep 2014 #17

We MUST remove the profit motive for these wars. Until then, nothing changes. blkmusclmachine Sep 2014 #18

PNAC planned it, elleng Sep 2014 #23

This is true ^^^^ MrMickeysMom Sep 2014 #85

Really. elleng Sep 2014 #87

No, we should not withdraw from the rest of the world. randome Sep 2014 #24

All we are saying Fumesucker Sep 2014 #37

There is no 'we'. Each administration runs according to its own ethics and rules. randome Sep 2014 #41

No MFrohike Sep 2014 #56

'Technology' refers to more than just computers. randome Sep 2014 #75

Are you confused? MFrohike Sep 2014 #81

I like the way you think Fairgo Sep 2014 #97

"The fight is over power and money" deutsey Sep 2014 #102

You chose to ignore what you didn't like. randome Sep 2014 #109

No, I just didn't agree with your conclusion MFrohike Sep 2014 #146

Technology enhances global trade. randome Sep 2014 #148

Sometimes, I do hate to disagree MFrohike Sep 2014 #153

war is double plus good bobduca Sep 2014 #108

War is never good. randome Sep 2014 #115

Just when Obama does it. got it. bobduca Sep 2014 #117

ahh, the reduction to absurdity TheSarcastinator Sep 2014 #119

Throwing stuff at a wall to see what sticks... bobduca Sep 2014 #134

This is a strange H2O Man Sep 2014 #26

Endless war is normalized by neoliberalism, or really capitalism in general, Cal Carpenter Sep 2014 #28

There's an esoteric conversation going on.. orpupilofnature57 Sep 2014 #29

That's it, in a nutshell Art_from_Ark Sep 2014 #93

Bush said it would not end in our lifetimes, so this isn't really news to me. arcane1 Sep 2014 #30

nope - PNAC shanti Sep 2014 #31

Agree 100%. n/t Paper Roses Sep 2014 #32

"We don't have to withdraw from the world but we can withdraw from the Middle East." Algernon Moncrieff Sep 2014 #34

This message was self-deleted by its author woo me with science Sep 2014 #35

Good chance of a Rand Paul campaign, backed by corporatists in both parties. woo me with science Sep 2014 #36

Uggh. What a disgusting choice that would be at the ballot box! hueymahl Sep 2014 #111

Well, they can't feed my kids to the war machine! GreenPartyVoter Sep 2014 #38

That's assuming you listen to generals who consider giving up ANY base to be a "defeat". Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2014 #39

I prefer honesty to "We'll have the boys home by Christmas," which is the usual lie. Hekate Sep 2014 #40

. randome Sep 2014 #49

I think the public appetite for war with Iraq or even Afghanistan for that matter loyalsister Sep 2014 #72

Hopefully Bernie or someone else will raise it in the Dem primaries KamaAina Sep 2014 #42

I know what you mean customerserviceguy Sep 2014 #43

Me too...100% agree. SoapBox Sep 2014 #46

Follow the money. roody Sep 2014 #47

It should be a campaign issue in 2014. winter is coming Sep 2014 #48

I got nauseated. This is fucking disgusting, it had better be a campaign issue in the 2014 election Autumn Sep 2014 #50

God damn you George W Bush and Heartless Cheney randys1 Sep 2014 #52

OIL graywarrior Sep 2014 #55

until every drop of oil is seized by the U.S., thats how long. SummerSnow Sep 2014 #57

I didn't hear it LWolf Sep 2014 #61

Still is dropping. n/t Duval Sep 2014 #63

Fuck you military industrial complex. Initech Sep 2014 #64

1961 orpupilofnature57 Sep 2014 #68

In 2016, can we still call this Bush's war? n/t hughee99 Sep 2014 #66

And the financial Terror he facilitated . orpupilofnature57 Sep 2014 #69

I do find it disconcerting that Afghani soldiers were being trained in Ma and that they were allowed CentralMass Sep 2014 #67

Added layer of problems for the DEM nominee. Smarmie Doofus Sep 2014 #76

Be grateful it's not a Republican waging this war Capt. Obvious Sep 2014 #77

Why is anyone surprised? flvegan Sep 2014 #79

Today's Cartoon Crewleader Sep 2014 #83

The 1% wants their interests protected in the region, and our military is their private Zorra Sep 2014 #86

If they said otherwise they'd be lying. So no. LeftyMom Sep 2014 #88

30 years Renew Deal Sep 2014 #92

There seem to be a lot of Democrats here who are not weary of war. FlatStanley Sep 2014 #96

Barry made a pretty good video on the subject. The MIC is an out of control monster. Rex Sep 2014 #100

Exactly! ctsnowman Sep 2014 #105

Democrats are sick of wars? vt_native Sep 2014 #101

What good would a war be ctsnowman Sep 2014 #103

2016 we'll get a rehash of Obama's 'I would have voted against the war…' by the next wannabe. toby jo Sep 2014 #104

And maybe I am going to start shitting rainbows. hueymahl Sep 2014 #113

Get with the program, kentuck. Octafish Sep 2014 #120

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USA! USA! USA! EEO Sep 2014 #122

Spin Control is conspicuously absent from this thread. marmar Sep 2014 #127

No, it was pretty much already at the bottom. ladyVet Sep 2014 #128

I feel we've been "Shock & Awed" once again..... KoKo Sep 2014 #130

This is not a Democrat vs. Republican issue. The Powers that run this country transcend rhett o rick Sep 2014 #133

How many more years will we starve onecaliberal Sep 2014 #136

No, I felt very angry when I heard the news. lark Sep 2014 #139

The money has to run out some time. bikebloke Sep 2014 #143

what happened to the 3 Afghani soldiers hopemountain Sep 2014 #144

Caught them at the Canadian border...whooosh Back to fear, MSM orpupilofnature57 Sep 2014 #145

more like hopemountain Sep 2014 #151

Who knows, not the Whitehouse Security staff . orpupilofnature57 Sep 2014 #152

I think that as a people, Americans are more warlike goldent Sep 2014 #154