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cali

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Wed Sep 24, 2014, 03:39 AM Sep 2014

We don't want to believe that our greatest threat is internal [View all]

I suppose that's just human nature, and it's much more complex, involves more complex analysis, presents less straightforward "solutions".

I'm not saying that ISIS isn't a threat, though I see its threat directly to the U.S. as not being a huge one. I'm not even convinced that the threat is that great to the middle east. I think, and yes of course I could be wrong, that ISIS' growth is self-limiting. But we have clear visuals of what ISIS is and does. We don't have those clear visuals about other threats, be they disease, corporate control, climate change, right wing ideology right here at home. We don't have images of helpless men on their knees awaiting a dreadful death, stuck in our minds, from those other threats.

ISIS arose out of our military and political interventions in the middle east and those interventions were about oil and the money to be made as much as anything else. Are we just going in frenzied circles when we use military force, and fueling radical groups when we keep doing the same thing again and again?

I see ISIS as a distraction as much or more than a threat, and our reaction to ISIS as a potent threat in and of itself. Want to bet that military sequestration cuts are reversed? that the military budget gets a big boost from this? How about the odds that our projected years long war with ISIS/other groups, results in budget cuts for social welfare spending and infrastructure and bolsters the privatization movement?

What is the threat to us from being on a perpetual war footing? What is the threat to our civil liberties from believing that we are constantly under the threat of evil hordes? What more are we willing to give up in order to be safe? And what about the billions and billions spent protecting the "homeland" over the past 13 years or so?

I don't know. I don't have any answers, just unsettling questions.

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I think you're right to be skeptical ... onwardsand upwards Sep 2014 #1
Is the Nation run by a cache of sociopathic "Christian" Corporations and their greedy CEO's ??? blkmusclmachine Sep 2014 #2
Agree on it all JustAnotherGen Sep 2014 #3
Very good questions. Vattel Sep 2014 #4
there's a "look over here" element to all of this that's disturbing cali Sep 2014 #5
Maybe I am being dense, but could you explain what you mean? Vattel Sep 2014 #6
when all our attention is focused on the dangers of ISIS etc cali Sep 2014 #7
That seems right. Highlighting any problem tends to get people fixated on solving that problem Vattel Sep 2014 #33
There is a huge element of look over here. Enthusiast Sep 2014 #8
"ISIS arose out of our military and political interventions in the middle east..." oberliner Sep 2014 #9
How much power did these groups have CJCRANE Sep 2014 #11
Waxed and waned oberliner Sep 2014 #15
But it's fair to say that they prosper CJCRANE Sep 2014 #17
they did not wax and wane in power. they had very little power. cali Sep 2014 #21
Sometimes they had a lot, sometimes a little oberliner Sep 2014 #23
No, I haven't spent a lot of time in Libya. What does that have to do with anything? cali Sep 2014 #25
I thought maybe you had some inside info oberliner Sep 2014 #30
it is true. they're using U.S. arms cali Sep 2014 #12
The US didn't make the machete they used to behead those journalists oberliner Sep 2014 #16
no, but that's fairly irrelevant. cali Sep 2014 #19
Not really oberliner Sep 2014 #24
I thought we were talking about ISIS, but 9/11 hardly cali Sep 2014 #27
Are they still called ISIS? oberliner Sep 2014 #29
I don't think you've supported your argument at all. cali Sep 2014 #31
I realize that oberliner Sep 2014 #32
This message was self-deleted by its author CJCRANE Sep 2014 #20
Excellent post, cali. Feral Child Sep 2014 #10
thank you, FC. cali Sep 2014 #13
I have an acquaintance who is an Iraqi Kurd CJCRANE Sep 2014 #14
Yes. It's criminal. Feral Child Sep 2014 #18
First of all, thank you for your OP. snappyturtle Sep 2014 #22
Posts like these are why I'm glad you're back, cali. NuclearDem Sep 2014 #26
thank you so much. that's kind of you to say. cali Sep 2014 #28
Great post. woo me with science Sep 2014 #34
It is. The biggest threat to America is the US military industrial complex. Initech Sep 2014 #35
I was born in 1944 and have seen many scary bogeymen come and go. Tierra_y_Libertad Sep 2014 #36
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