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karynnj

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42. By "out in the open", I mean that Obama spoke to the nation several times - each time
Wed Sep 24, 2014, 10:48 AM
Sep 2014

stating the problem, and what his goals were and some big picture description of what he was calling on the military and his administration to do. He also sent Hagel, Kerry, and top military people to Congressional hearings. There was a public UN meeting last Friday that CSPAN covered. Obviously, the detailed attack plans will not be public.

You are not even speaking of what Obama is doing NOW. Instead, you seem to be speaking more about what you think the US did in 2011 - 2012, ignoring that Obama overruled many who wanted more US action, and the call last year for strikes to put a cost to Assad using chemical weapons. I understand why the RIGHT refuses to admit that the Obama administration pushing Syria to give up all their chemical weapons (though any number of industrial chemicals could also kill) is NOT a victory. In their case, unlike Obama or Kerry, who always said the goal of any response was to make CW use less likely, their goal was to have the US attack itself cause regime change. On the left, I think there was a leap to condemn Obama -- and then a complete inability to accept that Obama meant exactly what he had always said.

In contrast, in the Reagan years, there was NO public statement that the US would do any of things that this video shows. They did no go to Congress or the nation with anything on arming Iran -- while we were officially arming Iraq, the country they were fighting. On the Contras, it was even more extreme. They could not go to Congress. Congress had already expressly forbidden aid to the Contras. The entire Iran/Contra action was completely unConstitutional and illegal. The problem is that, though there were hearings and it did make the history books used in high schools, people like North and Eliott Abrams are still out there and treated like experts - rather than criminals.



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I'd never heard of it, so I'm going to watch it tonight. Thanks for the heads-up! arcane1 Sep 2014 #7
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What a SHOCKING concept: actual Congressional hearings! leftstreet Sep 2014 #11
There were some Congressional hearings last week -- before they took an early vacation karynnj Sep 2014 #49
There is a huge difference from the completely out in the open air strikes and covert Iran/Contra karynnj Sep 2014 #12
No there isn't. And what makes you think this is 'completely out in the open'? sabrina 1 Sep 2014 #24
By "out in the open", I mean that Obama spoke to the nation several times - each time karynnj Sep 2014 #42
Obama did not force Syria to give up chemical weapons. Are you seriously unaware of sabrina 1 Sep 2014 #43
I am fully aware of why Syria gave up chemical weapons and one very real factor karynnj Sep 2014 #45
Do you think there will be Regime Change in yet another Sovereign Nation sabrina 1 Sep 2014 #48
Petty details are where the truth often lies karynnj Sep 2014 #54
All of those things are FAMILIAR 'details'. We ALWAYS put up a show of sabrina 1 Sep 2014 #55
Churchill was in many ways a bigot -- but that has nothing to do with Obama karynnj Sep 2014 #56
My world view is the norm, outside this country that is where war propaganda sabrina 1 Sep 2014 #66
Again distort and attack - that shows that you have no answers karynnj Sep 2014 #67
But it's NOT 'pretty condescending' of YOU to name call and attack people as having sabrina 1 Sep 2014 #68
Except... You're Not Going Back Far Enough... This Is Over 50 Years In the Making... WillyT Sep 2014 #44
I am saying that Obama seeking a coalition against ISIL is NOT Iran Contra like karynnj Sep 2014 #46
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