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In reply to the discussion: The Terrorists of 4chan [View all]freshwest
(53,661 posts)151. The goal is to waste the energies of the target so they can't participate at a higher level,
Last edited Wed Sep 24, 2014, 12:58 PM - Edit history (1)
in political, economic and social life, until they are self-confined to the role they are told they need to play to do anything of meaning.Herding them into a pen to be less than they could be is obvious. Everyone who is not actively involved in that herding, recognizes subsconciously what is going on. Whether they agree, many will simply attempt to excell within the jail created for them.
Being the best stay at home woman possible behind the aegis of a man has been the role of women for centuries, a division of labor that is ripe for abuse. It can be profitable for a family of a certain standing economically. Those who cannot survive without both spouses at work, face stigma based on genes and social class.
Being best at anything is good, but not all are born wanting homemaking as their prime function to be what they want to do with their life. Some are frustrated by it, but others embrace it and their work is worthy of respect. But for those who are coerced as your OP states, their full freedom and use of their energy is thwarted. It all depends on whether those choices were made freely or coerced.
The kind of freedom that women ask for is most studiously dismissed by those who claim to be for civil libertarianism, yet don't speak out about the violation of women's bodies legally and socially. It is not their problem, so they will say women should stop restraining those whose actions violate women's sovereignty, while they insist on their own:
http://metamorphosis.democraticunderground.com/1014519458#post12
Part of the reason we don't see women in the streets marching for their own causes, is that they percieve the patterns around them. The big marches and changes in the sixties and seventies came from a generation of women who believed in the Constitution and since the men around them also did, they supported their rights as individuals. That was the backdrop, that no longer exists, for as America hates all of its leaders and government, it also dismisses the ideals that fostered civil and human rights.
Women see this. They know deep inside that they will be wasting time fighting off all kinds of attacks and while they do that, they still will not be heard. People expect a result for their efforts, and see none. They have been heard by Obama:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/110212801
But he, and now they, by association, are actively despised, treated as the losers in a Koch driven media game. So they will give up on their own sovereignty in the public realm. They dedicate themselves to whatever the herders tell them to do, to feel accepted and their work matters.
It's not Equality under the law or in society. It's just a life predetermined by biology without any respect to the individual, which is confined to the default true individual, the heterosexual male. Equality is being lost in this country and around the world and is a danger to civil society and any kind of democracy. The struggles of women and minorities should be embraced by those who claim civil liberties are tantamount, but they are not doing that:
Dismissing the rights and concerns of people of color and women is reactionary. It is way more reactionary than Third Way. There is nothing progressive or liberal about it, and I don't consider people who do so to be leftists. Period. ~ BainsBane
She was a determined Leftist who should have been seen as an ally:
http://upload.democraticunderground.com/10025442750
But she kept dabbling into a forbidden zone. Just an example of the censorship of women by society, if they insist on going against the grain:
About BainsBane
Epitaph:
She was taken down by two hides for pointing out she found hurtful comments that focus on the failings of victims of domestic violence rather than the violent abusers who break the law. As a survivor of domestic violence, I do indeed find such comments hurtful, yet two juries have insisted I have no right to say so. When it is okay to say "some women will do anything for money," but it is not okay to point out victim blaming hurts people, something is seriously wrong. If community standards truly do sanction victim blaming but do not allow survivors to talk about how they experience those comments, that is not a community that values justice, non-violence, or freedom of speech.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=291098
No one will have to be bothered by her again, if she finds a better place. So it was Mission Accomplished. Was it on the level that your OP states?
No, it wasn't really that public. She didn't have a voice in the media. Her words on women did her in as well as supporting Democrats and attacking Libertarians.
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Online abuse, leaked nudes and revenge porn: this is nothing less than terrorism against women
seabeyond
Sep 2014
#1
and thank you for clarifying the definition of terrorism. we found people needed the definition. nt
seabeyond
Sep 2014
#2
as i am continually kicked off the board, in no shame at all. regardless how others would like me
seabeyond
Sep 2014
#10
and there you go. lmao. why would i give a shit. lol. thanks for heads up. nt
seabeyond
Sep 2014
#146
lol. i forget that tool sometimes. lets see. someone so obvious easily gets the boot,
seabeyond
Sep 2014
#18
Oh great, even progressive have started calling anything they don't like "terrorism"
Taitertots
Sep 2014
#13
or... one can actually read the definition and use the word appropriately. nt
seabeyond
Sep 2014
#15
"The use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, especially for political purposes."
ieoeja
Sep 2014
#106
ya. they do. i have had enough trolls use threats, throwing out sexist slurs, ect....
seabeyond
Sep 2014
#175
You are relying purely on the 'frightens others' definition; but she wasn't frightened
muriel_volestrangler
Sep 2014
#202
because she was not intimidate does not negate a threat and a message to women on the net.
seabeyond
Sep 2014
#203
I don't think it is common to say you're going to post naked pictures of someone
muriel_volestrangler
Sep 2014
#205
Oh, rubbish - I'm talking about the normal use in the English language as a whole
muriel_volestrangler
Sep 2014
#209
to terrorize a person or group. what does that look like to you? in "normal" usage. nt
seabeyond
Sep 2014
#210
So, apart from this ridiculous application to Emma Watson, in what other situation
muriel_volestrangler
Sep 2014
#219
i think our girls that are isolated, raped by groups, videod, distributed as porn, are terrorized
seabeyond
Sep 2014
#220
Rape is physical harm, but terrorism is also about more than physical harm
muriel_volestrangler
Sep 2014
#223
create and maintain a state of extreme fear and distress in (someone); fill with terror.
seabeyond
Sep 2014
#225
No, I'm saying what you did put in bold contradicts your position
muriel_volestrangler
Sep 2014
#238
the intent is to silence all women in going after watson and other women consistently, constantly
seabeyond
Sep 2014
#239
Oh great, those who consistently take the right-wing stance on every issue on this board are upset.
Ikonoklast
Sep 2014
#170
A terrorist could threaten to blow up a building. Even if the building is empty of people,
pnwmom
Sep 2014
#45
This isn't blackmail. No one's asking for money. They're trying to silence her with personal
pnwmom
Sep 2014
#82
Dictionaries are not tyrannical. They are important reference works that help us communicate.
riqster
Sep 2014
#186
It's seems, young men in online-communities are especially pretentious, whiny women-haters:
DetlefK
Sep 2014
#17
The goal is to waste the energies of the target so they can't participate at a higher level,
freshwest
Sep 2014
#151
I don't offer it as a dialogue. Company policy dictates non-hostile work environments.
riqster
Sep 2014
#67
respectfully, i am done giving this behavior to little boys. even in man form. it has become an
seabeyond
Sep 2014
#25
Good point - I also see a lot of bad behavior described as "adolescent" behavior
hedgehog
Sep 2014
#33
having a thought out and insightful conversation is not being trolled. regardless of the outcome.
seabeyond
Sep 2014
#43
I think it was just under ten minutes ago when members here would trivialize and minimize actions...
LanternWaste
Sep 2014
#59
Labeling trolls on the internet diminishes the actions of real terrorists...
DavidG_WI
Sep 2014
#172
was he banned? he did well to stay quiet for a while. got overconfident. interesting. thanks. nt
seabeyond
Sep 2014
#197
i am not opposed to a good smack down and understanding of his positions. it behooves us all,
seabeyond
Sep 2014
#218
example, revenge porn. how many participate that did not set it up. +1 to your post. nt
seabeyond
Sep 2014
#74
I am sorry that I hurt you. I responded to what you wrote in response to my OP.
riqster
Sep 2014
#119
this is the point. we really need to update our criminal code, to allow this to be a crime.
seabeyond
Sep 2014
#130
I consider both groups to be terrorist organizations, albeit with different methods and foci.
riqster
Sep 2014
#110
No, it is wrong to call innocent people terrorists or accuse them of harboring them.
Kurska
Sep 2014
#184
Correct, because I have not insulted anyone except those who sent the threats.
riqster
Sep 2014
#241
and, regardless of the motive, this woman was attacked on the net with the weapon
seabeyond
Sep 2014
#187
bullshit. i linked to a di thread, of du men, with different names, who... do not give a shit.
seabeyond
Sep 2014
#227
lol. du men. bubba. du men. and they do not care. cause the very men have to pretend here.....
seabeyond
Sep 2014
#231
No 4chan is a website with a userbase and you can't prove that userbase sent anything.
Kurska
Sep 2014
#224
I have been in IT since the the 70's, and know a bit about how the Internet works.
riqster
Sep 2014
#246
You're really just demonstrating your lack of knowledge about 4chan at this point
Kurska
Sep 2014
#247
Since you keep changing your "explanation" of the technology, there isn't much point in this.
riqster
Sep 2014
#250
But they aren't wearing turbans or blowing shit up, so supposedly they aren't terrorists.
riqster
Sep 2014
#126
why is this the new meme? why is there such a push from some men to take over the conversation
seabeyond
Sep 2014
#134
yet the point you, others totally ignore is that they did it because this is what 4chan and the net
seabeyond
Sep 2014
#141
Well put. Doing a terroristic act for other purposes doesn't take away the terrorizing behavior.
riqster
Sep 2014
#150
Using terroristic tactics for another purpose does not change the terroristic nature.
riqster
Sep 2014
#142
Exactly. The unwilingess in this thread to acknowledge the error is silly and sad. nt.
Hosnon
Sep 2014
#285
marketer is still a fucking terrorizing motherfucker who should be locked up for a long time, with n
seabeyond
Sep 2014
#147
Exactly. Both groups of men attacked high profile females for their own purposes.
pnwmom
Sep 2014
#160
Not really. Emma Watson WAS terrorized, but by a different group of "pranksters."
pnwmom
Sep 2014
#159
"buyint it" would be buying the line it was about going after 4chan. they did it for clicks. $.
seabeyond
Sep 2014
#176
A group of anonymous creeps targeted a high profile woman. It doesn't matter which group
pnwmom
Sep 2014
#199
regardless the motive or intent. that does not matter. a WOMAN was THREATENED
seabeyond
Sep 2014
#193
i did not target anyone, being hte net, i am clueless. i have ONE argument. a woman was THREATENED
seabeyond
Sep 2014
#230
Throughout this entire thread you've ridden shotgun to the OP, who continues to attack a victim.
Kurska
Sep 2014
#234
Online abuse, leaked nudes and revenge porn: this is nothing less than terrorism against women
seabeyond
Sep 2014
#240
You mean completely the wrong people whose name was used in a money making stunt?
Kurska
Sep 2014
#226
That's our society as it exists today. We're much better off with open & free 'internet speech'
Sunlei
Sep 2014
#178
says someone who is not being attacked, threatened to shut up? ya. so fuggin much better
seabeyond
Sep 2014
#189
open chats have always been this way. yes there are online 'bullies' and plenty of smack talkers.
Sunlei
Sep 2014
#204
HA. truly a smile. k, see, i am not gonna line by line, correct you. why bother. right? nt
seabeyond
Sep 2014
#207
Sigh. Semi-literate people should not try to pose as experts on the Intertubez.
riqster
Sep 2014
#248
The actual creation of fake images has been held as legal in some cases. But it's not just images.
riqster
Sep 2014
#258
and the meme is here. i called it. within an hour that it began. and the meme is here.
seabeyond
Sep 2014
#268
Nope. The acts were terroristic in nature, regardless of the motivation behind them.
riqster
Sep 2014
#261
Bollocks. The behavior called out has not changed as a result of the disclosures.
riqster
Sep 2014
#267
and YET the woman was still threatened. and YET women across the net heard the message LOUD and
seabeyond
Sep 2014
#270
man uses women in whatever way, as means of $, mancard, manhood, for dominance,
seabeyond
Sep 2014
#272
quibble away. i am disagreeing with you. the net accomplished this, and is creating this. and of
seabeyond
Sep 2014
#275
every single person that participated, be it the men in this thread, redirecting it from a threat to
seabeyond
Sep 2014
#276
so many participated. every man that ignore, dismissed and marginalized. media that promoted and
seabeyond
Sep 2014
#279