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ieoeja

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19. Why would I not mean 2001?
Wed Sep 24, 2014, 03:59 PM
Sep 2014

We went into Afghanistan 7 October 2001. Something happened on 11 September 2001 that 99% of the world, even DUers, seemed to think made going into Afghanistan a good idea.

For that matter, a lot of DUers were calling for intervention in Afghanistan long before 9/11. Mass stonings of women turns out to be the kind of thing that progressives think justifies intervention. Mostly we figured we should just go back to arming the guy who led the fight against the Soviets.


I doubt I can find proof the vast majority of us supported going after Bin Laden and the Taliban back in 2001. But if you were here, that is what you would have seen. Heck, you might as well ask me to prove the moon is not made out of cheese. Some things are so self evident that I am stunned you would even ask it.

Virtually NOBODY opposed us going into Afghanistan. There was nothing remotely controversial about it. The 9/11 truther dumbasses, as well as the true pacifists, are all you would have had. But that is a pretty insignificant number.

On the other hand, the Iraq War opposition at DU had three major complaints about it:

1. It was based on a lie.

2. It was stupid. Saddam was an enemy of Al Qaeda. Taking him out would only result in exactly what we are seeing today with ISIL.

3. It would take resources away from the "good war in Afghanistan". I put that in quotes because that is exactly what DUers were posting at the time.

Pacifists see millions of people protesting the Iraq War and think, "these people are anti-war". No, they're not. Most of them opposed THAT war. Even most Conservatives I knew opposed that war. They thought it was a stupid war for reasons #2 and #3 cited above.

Maybe pacifists should listen to the people protesting "a" war instead of projecting their own pacifistic views upon them.


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Maybe there aren't many absolutist pacifists. brooklynite Sep 2014 #1
Or maybe they are focusing on more constructive ways, rather than placing their hopes sabrina 1 Sep 2014 #12
ISIS is brutal and unnecessary. You can't try diplomacy with marauding killers. randome Sep 2014 #13
But you can stop funding them. Anyhow, it doesn't matter, our own allies are as brutal sabrina 1 Sep 2014 #17
Maybe it's paralyzing confusion due to the confounding actions of our whatchamacallit Sep 2014 #16
I guess nobody wants to chant, "Don't Kill Asshole Fundies Don't Kill Asshole Fundies" snooper2 Sep 2014 #2
Yep. Actually having a valid reason to go to war takes the wind out of protest's sails. nt stevenleser Sep 2014 #18
What non-violent solutions are there to deal with a group whose TwilightGardener Sep 2014 #3
I thought the slogan was AnalystInParadise Sep 2014 #6
In this case, it's partly the answer. TwilightGardener Sep 2014 #7
Syria Strike Protesters Arrested at White House leftstreet Sep 2014 #4
"Because, Obama." ieoeja Sep 2014 #8
Prove it leftstreet Sep 2014 #11
Why would I not mean 2001? ieoeja Sep 2014 #19
Perhaps a more pertinent question gratuitous Sep 2014 #24
America enjoys killing. JEB Sep 2014 #5
As if you need the answer written out. nt Dreamer Tatum Sep 2014 #9
There is a cost to protesting.... peace13 Sep 2014 #10
That is really cute, you actually think people are against war. dilby Sep 2014 #14
You are projecting. ieoeja Sep 2014 #21
*moved* whatchamacallit Sep 2014 #15
"The war(s) will stop when enough average Americans go broke paying for it." Tierra_y_Libertad Sep 2014 #20
Agree with several points above. woo me with science Sep 2014 #22
Maybe because no one gives a shit that the beheading rapists known as ISIS are being msanthrope Sep 2014 #23
exactly! rollin74 Sep 2014 #25
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