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In reply to the discussion: the average IQ in the U.S. is 98 [View all]Spider Jerusalem
(21,786 posts)104. Surprised by how low the average is? It's deliberately normed so the median score clusters at 100.
See "normal distribution".
And "smarter" is a matter of some question anyway (see for instance the following for a persuasive case that the most significant determinant of IQ at a population level is the relative wealth of a given population):
American Jews have among the highest tested IQs, with means being usually reported in the 110115 range. Yet Lynn and Vanhanen report that Israeli Jews have strikingly low IQs by comparison. One large sample from 1989 put the figure at 90, while a far smaller sample from 1975 indicated an IQ of 97, with both results drawn from Israels large Jewish majority rather than its small Arab minority. The IQ gaps with American Jews are enormous, perhaps as large as 25 points, and difficult to explain by genetic factors, since a majority of Israels Jewish population in that period consisted of ethnic Askhenazi (European) Jews, just like those in America. The huge economic gulf between Israeli Jews, who then had less than half the average American per capita GDP, and American Jews, who were far above average in American income, would seem to be the most plausible explanation.
Similarly, a large 1990 test of South African whites placed their IQ at 94, considerably below that of the Dutch or English peoples from whom they derive, and again this may be connected to their lower level of national income and technological advancement.
Perhaps the strongest evidence supporting this cultural rather than genetic hypothesis comes from the northwestern corner of Europe, namely Celtic Ireland. When the early waves of Catholic Irish immigrants reached America near the middle of the 19th century, they were widely seen as particularly ignorant and uncouth and aroused much hostility from commentators of the era, some of whom suggested that they might be innately deficient in both character and intelligence. But they advanced economically at a reasonable pace, and within less than a century had become wealthier and better educated than the average white American, including those of old stock ancestry. The evidence today is that the tested IQ of the typical Irish-Americanto the extent it can be distinguishedis somewhat above the national white American average of around 100 and also above that of most German-Americans, who arrived around the same time.
Meanwhile, Ireland itself remained largely rural and economically backward and during the 1970s and 1980s still possessed a real per capita GDP less than half that of the United States. Perhaps we should not be too surprised to discover that Lynn and Vanhanen list the Irish IQ at just 93 based on two samples taken during the 1970s, a figure far below that of their Irish-American cousins.
http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/race-iq-and-wealth/
Similarly, a large 1990 test of South African whites placed their IQ at 94, considerably below that of the Dutch or English peoples from whom they derive, and again this may be connected to their lower level of national income and technological advancement.
Perhaps the strongest evidence supporting this cultural rather than genetic hypothesis comes from the northwestern corner of Europe, namely Celtic Ireland. When the early waves of Catholic Irish immigrants reached America near the middle of the 19th century, they were widely seen as particularly ignorant and uncouth and aroused much hostility from commentators of the era, some of whom suggested that they might be innately deficient in both character and intelligence. But they advanced economically at a reasonable pace, and within less than a century had become wealthier and better educated than the average white American, including those of old stock ancestry. The evidence today is that the tested IQ of the typical Irish-Americanto the extent it can be distinguishedis somewhat above the national white American average of around 100 and also above that of most German-Americans, who arrived around the same time.
Meanwhile, Ireland itself remained largely rural and economically backward and during the 1970s and 1980s still possessed a real per capita GDP less than half that of the United States. Perhaps we should not be too surprised to discover that Lynn and Vanhanen list the Irish IQ at just 93 based on two samples taken during the 1970s, a figure far below that of their Irish-American cousins.
http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/race-iq-and-wealth/
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yeah, plus different tests skew higher/lower (Wechsler higher, Stanford-Binet lower)
zazen
Sep 2014
#16
In Industrial countries test scores skew higher over time and is why new tests are normed.
gordianot
Sep 2014
#77
Our kids are evolving beyond teachers and many are on the cusp of leaving them behind.
gordianot
Sep 2014
#171
The knowledge base from the internet among the young is astounding it is either-or.
gordianot
Sep 2014
#170
LOL, this whole thread exposes a lot. Entertaining! What people post is amazing. nt
Logical
Sep 2014
#117
I guess we know something about the people who didn't choose one of the options
Taitertots
Sep 2014
#50
A social scientist attempted to compare the IQs of Democratic and Republican presidents
DemocratSinceBirth
Sep 2014
#49
"Honestly this entire thread is an embarrassment to the Democratic underground."
Number23
Sep 2014
#111
It's kind of a low, No. 23, but not at all new. My experience -- people are people.
Hekate
Sep 2014
#197
I haven't been tested recently, but gave myself the lowest range in your poll,
Nye Bevan
Sep 2014
#44
JFK had an IQ of 117. That's good but not earth shattering. He did okay./NT
DemocratSinceBirth
Sep 2014
#45
The spread of answers tells you everything you need to know about the meaningfullness of IQ scores.
Donald Ian Rankin
Sep 2014
#56
I would wager the average DU IQ is pretty much exactly what the national average is.
Dreamer Tatum
Sep 2014
#59
What a dumbass you are. I just took your test via osmosis and I got 1672.
Dreamer Tatum
Sep 2014
#67
+1,000. It's a social group that I joined as a curious teen, was mocked for by my own mother....
Hekate
Sep 2014
#157
they're mostly online tests. i think the one i took was from mensa. you just have to be honest that
dionysus
Sep 2014
#161
As a nerd, I'm more concerned that 50% of the population is below the median.
Nye Bevan
Sep 2014
#82
Your realization of variance alone speaks well of your real cognitive functioning.
gordianot
Sep 2014
#84
Somewhere between 90 and 140, depending on what kind of animal pattern I can draw by
Zorra
Sep 2014
#93
"Please accept my resignation. I don’t care to belong to any club that will have me as a member"
FrodosPet
Sep 2014
#122
Idiot? You're probably one of the smarter people on this site. IMO anyway.
nomorenomore08
Sep 2014
#128
Whoa. I know it's just a test score blah blah, but that is still impressive.
nomorenomore08
Sep 2014
#129
Same here. Though I have cleaned up my act somewhat in the last year or two.
nomorenomore08
Sep 2014
#165
Surprised by how low the average is? It's deliberately normed so the median score clusters at 100.
Spider Jerusalem
Sep 2014
#104
LOL, I have no idea why anyone would post their answer here. Many do it to brag I bet. So funny. nt
Logical
Sep 2014
#113
There's so many resident know-it-alls here that we are all at least borderline genius
notadmblnd
Sep 2014
#178
Eisenhower was shocked when he was told that half the kids had IQs below average.
Manifestor_of_Light
Sep 2014
#135
Yup. One more thing to brag about, along with their kids, house, what college they went to, etc.
chrisa
Sep 2014
#192
130 but i thought genious was over 150.. i'd never claim to be all that from a test...
dionysus
Sep 2014
#160
My favorite color is purple but I couldn't find that in the choices you gave us?
Uncle Joe
Sep 2014
#167
IQ tests and scores are specifically *designed* to set the average at 100, so you
tblue37
Sep 2014
#191