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69. One of the things I love about Bernie

Wed Sep 24, 2014, 06:22 PM

Sep 2014

is his willingness to discuss the REAL issues openly, calmly and rationally without getting nasty toward his opponent(s). I hope he runs as a Dem in the primaries, and I will gladly give him what money and support I can.

He is the only one who is going to tell the American people the truth. Even if the uber-prepared, fussed and trussed, moneyed-up, insanely cautious Hillary wins the primary, she'll have had to either: a) discuss the issues, or b) look very bad indeed for having avoided them.

Run, Bernie, run.

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Hillary was once defeated by a newbie/no-namer, she can be defeated again. [View all] Veganhealedme Sep 2014 OP

Obama was not a "newbie/no namer" , his 2004 speech got him huge national and international attentio JI7 Sep 2014 #1

He Ws Promoted Like Crazy After That Speech billhicks76 Sep 2014 #72

TOS: Don't go overboard with the crazy talk. brooklynite Sep 2014 #146

Lol...Not :) billhicks76 Sep 2014 #187

I repeat my comment... brooklynite Sep 2014 #192

+1! Enthusiast Sep 2014 #204

Bernie said on Chuck Todd's program... fadedrose Sep 2014 #112

+1! Enthusiast Sep 2014 #206

+1 YoungDemCA Sep 2014 #127

"huge" in the Beltway mayhap, but out here in the hinterlands bread_and_roses Sep 2014 #193

Obama was a household name by 2007. geek tragedy Sep 2014 #2

But Bernie CAN win LordGlenconner Sep 2014 #28

America will not, under any circumstances, elect a SOCIALIST president. Atman Sep 2014 #147

"America will not" - People said that about a 2nd Bush term... and yet it happened. Veilex Sep 2014 #203

Perfect allinthegame Sep 2014 #185

If by perfect you mean Veilex Sep 2014 #205

True Cali_Democrat Sep 2014 #63

I had never heard of him. Most Americans had not heard of him other than his convention JDPriestly Sep 2014 #71

Actually I would argue that Obama was much more well-known then Cali_Democrat Sep 2014 #80

Do you have any links/facts to support that? thesquanderer Sep 2014 #101

No, but does the other poster have links to support their assertions? Cali_Democrat Sep 2014 #102

Okay, I have some facts! thesquanderer Sep 2014 #103

I didn't know who Obama was during the first debates. Never heard of him. LawDeeDah Sep 2014 #105

Good find! nt laundry_queen Sep 2014 #227

Thanks! JDPriestly Sep 2014 #242

Sorry, once Hillary brushes both of them out of her way customerserviceguy Sep 2014 #120

Only time will tell for sure. Veilex Sep 2014 #209

Hillary's "inevitability" took a huge ding the first time around...she was rejected by Democrats. Ikonoklast Sep 2014 #226

Yeah, yeah, I keep hearing that customerserviceguy Sep 2014 #240

"This is revisionist history" - Hardly Veilex Sep 2014 #207

Bullshit. Maybe for people here, not for the average person! nt Logical Sep 2014 #106

He was the 2004 Keynote speaker, and had written two best-selling novels. geek tragedy Sep 2014 #123

He was so popular that Hillary had a 30 point lead on him.... Logical Sep 2014 #126

Not where he was campaigning. geek tragedy Sep 2014 #129

I never heard of the Clintons Generic Other Sep 2014 #122

Bill ran against an exceptionally weak field since the big names sat it out, because geek tragedy Sep 2014 #124

The important question is, Will Goldman Sachs still pay her for entertaining them if she loses? Tierra_y_Libertad Sep 2014 #3

question is... VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #5

The simple answer is....No. Tierra_y_Libertad Sep 2014 #11

and why do we Democrats care what an Indie thinks VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #13

I've been a Democrat since 1965...you? Tierra_y_Libertad Sep 2014 #15

and elizabeth warren WAS a Republican soooo VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #17

And Hillary was a Republican and Reagan was a Democrat. former9thward Sep 2014 #50

no she wasnt VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #61

How does one become "officially" independent? By decree? Tierra_y_Libertad Sep 2014 #74

when you can no longer be counted on to vote VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #76

Whose definition? Yours? Tierra_y_Libertad Sep 2014 #99

dictionaries VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #152

I'll inform my state government to check the dictionary to see if I'm registered as an Independent. Tierra_y_Libertad Sep 2014 #156

please do... VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #167

"dictionaries Perhaps you have heard of them?" Veilex Sep 2014 #211

You don't know the history of your candidate? former9thward Sep 2014 #92

oh as a child? VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #154

So now college students are "children"? former9thward Sep 2014 #158

You're the one who made the absolute claim that Hillary Veilex Sep 2014 #212

Then my original position that if you DON'T commit to vote for the winner of the Democratic primary VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #221

I'm in awe of your utter lack of logic. Veilex Sep 2014 #224

its VERY logical VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #225

lol Veilex Sep 2014 #232

no actually I'm a programmer VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #234

I've already seen what you equate to a dictionary definition... Veilex Sep 2014 #238

and warren was an adult... VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #190

Hillary is a corporate dem... DavidG_WI Sep 2014 #97

bullfuckingshit VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #177

Then I guess this is all just smoke and mirrors... Veilex Sep 2014 #213

Then I guess you haven't seen this.... VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #219

Interesting how your site there fails to count actions such as taking bribes from Goldman Sachs... Veilex Sep 2014 #222

She certainly is. She can speak all the pretty speeches she wants LawDeeDah Sep 2014 #197

For you too VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #220

And the jury results are in.... aikoaiko Sep 2014 #223

Yes, she was. DRoseDARs Sep 2014 #188

registered? VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #189

By no reasonable person's definition does one need to be registered to identify. DRoseDARs Sep 2014 #196

Yes she was Veilex Sep 2014 #210

first Bernie is not a Dem VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #4

Why is more important for you to vote for the label instead of the ideology? Dawgs Sep 2014 #19

I think it's performance art. n/t winter is coming Sep 2014 #94

I think so too LondonReign2 Sep 2014 #171

Sucinctly identified. Veilex Sep 2014 #214

+1 laundry_queen Sep 2014 #228

Our political system is fundamentally designed to... DavidG_WI Sep 2014 #96

+1 Enthusiast Sep 2014 #208

First of all Joseph Liebermann was also a Dem before he wasn't when he ran in an election too! cascadiance Sep 2014 #24

I myself would vote for Bernie in a heartbeat, but most americans wouldn't, mostly for stupid dionysus Sep 2014 #132

Wen Bernie declares as a dem, he'll be a dem. morningfog Sep 2014 #30

K/R. He was known, but ran as a black man, with a funny sounding name, "B. Hussein Obama", so, yeah NYC_SKP Sep 2014 #6

Post removed Post removed Sep 2014 #7

Obama was very well known. MohRokTah Sep 2014 #8

Never? Seriously? senz Sep 2014 #59

Oh, I thought he won in 2012, too. n/t Iwillnevergiveup Sep 2014 #86

Re-election is different from being elected for the first time MohRokTah Sep 2014 #87

Pure BS, for people here, not for the average person. nt Logical Sep 2014 #107

So well known that he got 0% support in the June 2006 poll LondonReign2 Sep 2014 #172

He wasn't even considered a possible run by the vast majority in 2006. MohRokTah Sep 2014 #218

Indeed LondonReign2 Sep 2014 #239

Warren will be too busy campaigning for Clinton... brooklynite Sep 2014 #9

So... how do you define the difference between a "mainstream liberal" and "unrepentent leftist"? cascadiance Sep 2014 #29

Lunch bobduca Sep 2014 #38

Well, actually the Warren thing comes from her own quote... brooklynite Sep 2014 #45

So Bernie's message of economic fairness for working people senz Sep 2014 #60

Yes, that's what I'm saying... brooklynite Sep 2014 #93

Obama got the Kennedy endorsement. End of story leftstreet Sep 2014 #10

"Hillary is inevitable - unless she completely screws up her campaign" DonCoquixote Sep 2014 #20

Oh yes, Penn's 'Strategy For Winning' !! leftstreet Sep 2014 #22

If she's smart, she'll pull in some of Obama's team. eom MohRokTah Sep 2014 #25

Hillary not being in control of her campaign is a huge failing. LawDeeDah Sep 2014 #110

...like she did in 2008. Liberal_Stalwart71 Sep 2014 #178

of course they can win AtomicKitten Sep 2014 #12

thats weather not politics.. VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #14

Vote? Most likely. Campaign and donate? Depends. morningfog Sep 2014 #42

Despite the odds marions ghost Sep 2014 #16

we have a Progessive VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #18

That is a really debatable statement marions ghost Sep 2014 #23

Hillary is a VERY progressive candidate. MohRokTah Sep 2014 #27

Candidates that are pro H-1B Visa expansion, amongst other things are NOT progressive in my book! cascadiance Sep 2014 #34

Purists who make demands for purity MohRokTah Sep 2014 #37

Hmm... We ask for anything that's "not corporatist" and we're called "purist"! cascadiance Sep 2014 #49

Those calling out names like "purist" are just trying to dilute already diluted demands Veilex Sep 2014 #215

And so-called conservative democrats LondonReign2 Sep 2014 #174

I know of no such democrats on DU. eom MohRokTah Sep 2014 #217

Since you specifically stated elsewhere LondonReign2 Sep 2014 #235

Then put up the link MohRokTah Sep 2014 #236

Here you go buddy LondonReign2 Sep 2014 #237

Viva Huey Long! morningfog Sep 2014 #35

Tell me marions ghost Sep 2014 #36

Too numerous to list here. MohRokTah Sep 2014 #43

Pro war, pro Wall Street, pro TPP, pro Keystone XL yet you call her "VERY progressive". Scuba Sep 2014 #57

S/he said "progessive" KamaAina Sep 2014 #51

She's not even pro-gessive marions ghost Sep 2014 #91

I would say, "pro-regressive." woo me with science Sep 2014 #161

even better marions ghost Sep 2014 #169

Yep. MohRokTah Sep 2014 #26

Purists covet the struggle LordGlenconner Sep 2014 #33

there are two purists groups who are THE PROBLEM noiretextatique Sep 2014 #40

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! MohRokTah Sep 2014 #44

i suggest you noiretextatique Sep 2014 #133

Wow, such a fallacious post. MohRokTah Sep 2014 #136

I'll accept that you don't like Third Way's policies...what makes them purists? brooklynite Sep 2014 #48

Well supporting things that that the Kochs paid them to when they used to be in the DLC... cascadiance Sep 2014 #53

they have pure corporate interests at heart noiretextatique Sep 2014 #134

the same thing that makes leftists "purists" noiretextatique Sep 2014 #198

Purity generally refers to an unwillingness to accept an intermediate goal... brooklynite Sep 2014 #199

I've always disliked purists too, MohRokTah, especially the ones who voted Nader in 2000, senz Sep 2014 #64

I beg to differ tiredtoo Sep 2014 #79

LOL, that is really funny. Good one! :-) Logical Sep 2014 #108

LMAO! LondonReign2 Sep 2014 #173

Its not about defeating a Democratic candidate bhikkhu Sep 2014 #21

A back stabbing primary in this case is when the rest of us are all getting "stabbed in the back"... cascadiance Sep 2014 #41

Its not Clinton you need to worry about bhikkhu Sep 2014 #241

Then who are you suggesting is "backstabbing" in the primary?... cascadiance Sep 2014 #243

She is Evitable! morningfog Sep 2014 #31

Wasn't Hillary inevitable and unbeatable in 2008? SheilaT Sep 2014 #32

We have alternatives this time, too. Jim Lane Sep 2014 #65

Who is Martin O'Malley? SheilaT Sep 2014 #104

Martin O'Malley is Governor of Maryland. Jim Lane Sep 2014 #231

Thank you. SheilaT Sep 2014 #233

There's something called the black vote BeyondGeography Sep 2014 #39

Polls showed Hillary Clinton had that vote for the most part. MohRokTah Sep 2014 #46

Obama wasn't just another newbie BeyondGeography Sep 2014 #56

at this point and even earlier on there were Obama support groups around the country JI7 Sep 2014 #113

Some people don't want to hear this. DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2014 #148

Yep. And remember, Obama presented himself as the less conservative of the two of them!!! blkmusclmachine Sep 2014 #47

Definitely. And I say that as a Hillary supporter. Nye Bevan Sep 2014 #52

A) Warren has stated repeatedly she isn't running justiceischeap Sep 2014 #54

Which makes me wonder why anyone would be optimistic about her chances in the general election. pa28 Sep 2014 #55

Because the GOPers won't waste a credible nominee on her leftstreet Sep 2014 #58

This message was self-deleted by its author Cali_Democrat Sep 2014 #62

The bottom line on Hillary Man from Pickens Sep 2014 #66

Sanders, Warren, either will get my vote. nt NorthCarolina Sep 2014 #67

I keep saying it: Hillary just isn't that good at this running for president thing cali Sep 2014 #68

Theres a certain element that she lacks and I can't describe it tularetom Sep 2014 #83

agreed but who else?! that is the problem..... dionysus Sep 2014 #135

nice to see you! cali Sep 2014 #138

yeah i haven't been around much. hope all is well. O'Malley seems a decent fellow. dionysus Sep 2014 #194

One of the things I love about Bernie senz Sep 2014 #69

Correction: Bernie's not the "only one" who tells the truth -- Eliz Warren does, too. n/t senz Sep 2014 #75

Seems to me like someone came to light a fire here rurallib Sep 2014 #70

Exactly and even if someone totally hates, hates, hates, Hillary, why not promote their favored FSogol Sep 2014 #73

You seem to be a little "naive" about the political process vis-a-vis, Historic NY Sep 2014 #77

It is called money. still_one Sep 2014 #78

Hillary's previous defeat... mostly simple sexism NotHardly Sep 2014 #81

I disagree with Hillary on policy. She will never get my vote. EEO Sep 2014 #84

"We need a woman president" marions ghost Sep 2014 #88

The 2008 election may have been won by a newbie, how many elections did newbies lose, odds Thinkingabout Sep 2014 #82

So tell me rock Sep 2014 #85

Provided she runs, in 16 months you'll either be defending her or you'll be trashing her... wyldwolf Sep 2014 #89

Can't wait for the clampdown can you? nt Union Scribe Sep 2014 #153

I would feel that way about ANY Dem. It gets old really quick. wyldwolf Sep 2014 #159

Obama was a widely known national figure in 2007. NYC Liberal Sep 2014 #90

Widely known to people who follow politics. Lots of voters don't. n/t winter is coming Sep 2014 #95

that's true. I personally registered many of those in 2008 wyldwolf Sep 2014 #98

And more widely known outside than Warren or Sanders NYC Liberal Sep 2014 #100

he was known as much as John Kerry, Hillary Clinton by the 2004 Elections JI7 Sep 2014 #114

No, he wasn't. n/t winter is coming Sep 2014 #115

yes he was , by election day he was that well known, not just nationally but internationally JI7 Sep 2014 #117

Then I must have known some remarkably ignorant apolitical people back in 2007, winter is coming Sep 2014 #118

yes, probably the type of people you talk to , there are wingnuts who say everyone they talk to JI7 Sep 2014 #119

Do poll results from this same time in the 2008 Presedential cycle count? LondonReign2 Sep 2014 #175

Fail Capt. Obvious Sep 2014 #166

Obama was new and introduced in 2004 to convention delegates, I was there. People know Sanders. TheNutcracker Sep 2014 #109

Welcome to DU... SidDithers Sep 2014 #111

We need to GOTV 2014. This post does nothing to help get the vote out this November. greatlaurel Sep 2014 #116

You must be kidding marions ghost Sep 2014 #141

You are working against the Democratic Party interests this November 2014 by attacking HRC now. greatlaurel Sep 2014 #142

Very true. FSogol Sep 2014 #143

WRONG marions ghost Sep 2014 #150

Neither do your wild, stupid accusations Union Scribe Sep 2014 #155

Hillary doesn't seem to have the same degree of support today that she had in 08. Kablooie Sep 2014 #121

What lack of support are you referring to? brooklynite Sep 2014 #125

actually, she has more support this time around JI7 Sep 2014 #128

True. But I remember it was touch and go between Obama and McCain towards sabrina 1 Sep 2014 #130

Sanders could not win a GE MattBaggins Sep 2014 #131

Sanders, really? Beacool Sep 2014 #137

Just put the GOP trolls on permanent ignore. They are becoming more transparent in their desperation greatlaurel Sep 2014 #149

Did you know marions ghost Sep 2014 #163

+1 Veilex Sep 2014 #216

Like it or not quaker bill Sep 2014 #139

I don't disagree with the premise JustAnotherGen Sep 2014 #140

All are fatally flawed. Warren perhaps the least so. Atman Sep 2014 #162

At this time, 8 years ago, the "newbie/no-namer" was organizing financial and political support... brooklynite Sep 2014 #144

Sanders abd Warren are "unknowns?" On what planet. Atman Sep 2014 #145

Good point (on your head) marions ghost Sep 2014 #195

Wishful thinking. Hillary is the one! 3rdwaydem Sep 2014 #151

Your name is "3rdwaydem" and you're backing Hillary Clinton? Atman Sep 2014 #157

Really? 3rdwaydem Sep 2014 #160

NANNY NANNY BOO BOO! I live in Connecticut. Atman Sep 2014 #164

Sanders running will have a similar effect as Ralph Nader in 2000 liberal N proud Sep 2014 #165

Like I said above marions ghost Sep 2014 #170

Gore won in 2000, remember? grahamhgreen Sep 2014 #176

Had Nader not taken some of the votes the margin would have been larger liberal N proud Sep 2014 #179

Maybe. grahamhgreen Sep 2014 #181

Not if he switches parties & runs as a Dem, senz Sep 2014 #182

Like that is going to happen. liberal N proud Sep 2014 #184

It will be a MIRACLE if Hillary is elected. Sorta like Obama. librechik Sep 2014 #168

They would stick to those principles after the election. Fearless Sep 2014 #180

Hardly anyone knew who Bill Clinton was back when he went to Iowa eom marym625 Sep 2014 #183

I don't care if I get bombed for this, but here goes.... mrmpa Sep 2014 #186

maybe democrats would win more if we thought about how to defeat republicans greenman3610 Sep 2014 #191

As others have pointed out, Obama was hardly a no-namer by the time campaigning begun. Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2014 #200

And if memory serves me correctly rocktivity Sep 2014 #201

Sanders or Warren can win! Enthusiast Sep 2014 #202

livingwagenow...nt SidDithers Sep 2014 #229

No more clintons, no more bushes bobduca Sep 2014 #230