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Zorra

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42. Alaskan Fish & Game wildlife biologists say not to use wasp spray as a deterrent for bears.
Wed Sep 24, 2014, 08:31 PM
Sep 2014
Bear experts instead urge people to use caution and common sense to avoid bear encounters, and if needed, to use bear spray as a non-lethal deterrent or firearms as a lethal deterrent. Specifically, here are their reasons:

1) Wasp spray requires careful aim and is not designed to incapacitate large animals: Wasp spray disperses in a direct stream, which would necessitate a direct hit by the user, likely to the bear’s eyes or face. Bear spray, on the other hand, disperses in a wide fog, which means that the person spraying it does not need to have accurate aim for it to still be effective. While no deterrent is 100 percent effective in all situations, research and actual use has proven that bear spray can be an effective deterrent against advancing bears. Wasp spray, while cheaper, is not designed for use on large animals and has not been proven effective as a wildlife deterrent.

2) Wasp spray is a poison: Approved bear spray contains capsaicin, a chemical derived from cayenne peppers that temporarily disables bears, or people, without typically causing permanent harm. In contrast, wasp spray is a poison that could be harmfulhttp://www.adfg.alaska.gov/index.cfm?adfg=wildlifenews.view_article&articles_id=480nd bears. The active ingredient in most wasp sprays are pyrethrins, natural organic compounds designed to penetrate the nervous system of insects and kill them. Even though some self-defense experts have recommended the use of wasp spray instead of mace against people, safety concerns are significant enough that some states have specifically outlawed the use of any self-defense sprays other than pepper sprays (those containing capsaicin.

http://www.adfg.alaska.gov/index.cfm?adfg=wildlifenews.view_article&articles_id=480


I always carry bear spray when I am backpacking in bear country. I use counter assault, it sprays up to 32 ft. fortunately, I've never had to use it, but many years ago our dog chased a black bear sow and her two cubs up a tree when she was trying to raid our camp. The next day we were walking on a narrow trail above a lake with steep scree slopes above and below us. A cow moose and her calf came around a curve from the opposite direction, about 20 yds. in front of us. The dog charged mama moose and mama moose put her head down and charged the dog, and we (including the dog) all scrambled up the scree as fast as we could. Mama and her calf stood below us, and when mama was satisfied that she had sufficiently explained to the dog that charging a mama moose and her calf was not too smart, she and her baby continued on their way.

And I holstered my pepper spray, and we went on our way.

It's just not a good idea to try to deter a large dangerous animal with a deterrent weapon that has never been known to be effective against large dangerous animals. That could get someone mangled or killed.

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That sounds like a terrifying way to die. aikoaiko Sep 2014 #1
We need a bear patrol. AngryAmish Sep 2014 #2
+1 for Simpsons reference. nt Earth_First Sep 2014 #5
Glad you think this is funny! nt Logical Sep 2014 #15
Too soon? Glassunion Sep 2014 #24
The Number One threat to America IS bears! KamaAina Sep 2014 #20
their decision to run is probably what killed him. geek tragedy Sep 2014 #3
Agreed... Flyboy_451 Sep 2014 #4
Suburban NJ is not a recent intrusion BeyondGeography Sep 2014 #7
The intrusion of people into animal habitat Flyboy_451 Sep 2014 #11
As an Alaskan I had the following pounded into my head Drahthaardogs Sep 2014 #33
So sad. That is so rare that I wonder if there morningfog Sep 2014 #6
Five people split up and ran - which is exactly *not* what to do... LeftinOH Sep 2014 #8
It worked out for four of them. LisaL Sep 2014 #18
hehehe AngryAmish Sep 2014 #19
Bears. Straw Man Sep 2014 #23
I only know about bears in NJ by watching The Sopranos. Hassin Bin Sober Sep 2014 #31
Very sad. H2O Man Sep 2014 #9
A video example of standing your ground Shankapotomus Sep 2014 #10
Riiiiight. VScott Sep 2014 #21
This woman ain't got nothing Politicalboi Sep 2014 #27
No need to be concerned, they're just kittehs... only bigger. VScott Sep 2014 #36
Bears are wild animals. They are unpredictable. leftyladyfrommo Sep 2014 #12
The problem is, suburban New Jersey is not typical "bear country". Nye Bevan Sep 2014 #13
It might be really hard not to run. leftyladyfrommo Sep 2014 #14
And now any male bear meeting the description will be killed. Coventina Sep 2014 #16
this bear needs to be killed Drahthaardogs Sep 2014 #34
Why? Why shouldn't it see humans as prey? Coventina Sep 2014 #37
It is not "their" nature Drahthaardogs Sep 2014 #38
OK I will grant you that it is not usual for bears to prey on humans. Coventina Sep 2014 #41
Male black bears who silently stalk see a menu... Eleanors38 Sep 2014 #17
Wasp/hornet spray would work too. Jenoch Sep 2014 #25
Hadn't thought of that. Long-range, too. Eleanors38 Sep 2014 #29
Alaskan Fish & Game wildlife biologists say not to use wasp spray as a deterrent for bears. Zorra Sep 2014 #42
Thanks for the clarification. Jenoch Sep 2014 #43
Yep. It sounds like they were being stalked. Hassin Bin Sober Sep 2014 #32
Call Stephen Colbert quick! Initech Sep 2014 #22
They were also out hiking with granola.. Historic NY Sep 2014 #26
Isn't there a bear app Politicalboi Sep 2014 #28
Old joke: 2 guys running from a bear. Runner 1: Eleanors38 Sep 2014 #30
Alaskan version: Drahthaardogs Sep 2014 #39
Good one. I heard this one from a Siberian Russian: Eleanors38 Sep 2014 #40
RIP. Reading the article, it sounds like a predatory bear, hungry and looking for food at a time it uppityperson Sep 2014 #35
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