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Orrex

(67,104 posts)
51. I have a thought about this, from my own experience
Thu Sep 25, 2014, 10:01 AM
Sep 2014

I've participated in a number of group-organized events over the years, ranging from the "Society for Creative Anachronism" to local community organizations, to convention/event coordination, to in-office groups in charge of selecting a sympathy gift for a deceased coworker. What I've observed there is also true of the PTA, softball leagues, planning committees, and here on DU (many times over, in fact).

Even in sub-groups nominally claiming to be free of the preconceptions of society-at-large, once the sub-group becomes an entity unto itself and is free to set its own rules, the members of the group immediately start re-stratifying along the same lines as the larger society that the members claim to reject. As in society-at-large, the stratification is driven by those few who claim authority to do so and who stand to benefit from choosing the pecking order. And, once entrenched, the ones in power will work protect their position above all else.

Regarding the "nerdy men" in the venues described by the article, I have no doubt that the misogyny and abuse occur exactly as described because I've seen it happen online for decades. It's an arena in which they feel empowered, and they use that power to further their own interests while subjugating those they identify as challenges to their authority.

This doesn't mean that any particular individual in a sub-group must necessarily turn into (or self-reveal as) an authoritarian asshole, but rather that microcosms of society tend overwhelmingly to reflect society as a whole.

Much like the observation made by Christian Slater's character in Heathers during the film's climactic scene.

As above, so below.

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Is there a lot of sexual harrassment in the Marvel universe? Nye Bevan Sep 2014 #1
I suppose there would be el_bryanto Sep 2014 #3
Hulk smash patriarchy! Orsino Sep 2014 #4
Well, the new Ms. Marvel seems like a possibility Recursion Sep 2014 #7
The occasional butt-kicking female hero doesn't seem to cut it. Orsino Sep 2014 #8
Fair point Recursion Sep 2014 #9
It would be tricky to do el_bryanto Sep 2014 #10
Way way back in the 1960s hfojvt Sep 2014 #34
there are tons of posts right here at DU from women who confirm similar experiences BlancheSplanchnik Sep 2014 #5
My grandmother told me that the simpleton will often fool himself much more often... LanternWaste Sep 2014 #12
your grandmother sounds pretty cool! BlancheSplanchnik Sep 2014 #16
We Have Seen Similar Accounts from All Sorts of Places AndyTiedye Sep 2014 #46
I think you're over focusing on one very small part of the whole. BlancheSplanchnik Sep 2014 #52
excellent post el bryanto. and when do speak out??? nt seabeyond Sep 2014 #2
Great point (nt) Recursion Sep 2014 #6
The Methods to Shut Women Up are Routine daredtowork Sep 2014 #11
did you used to be here before? snooper2 Sep 2014 #13
^Here is an example daredtowork Sep 2014 #15
Yep. Luminous Animal Sep 2014 #25
^^^ BlancheSplanchnik Sep 2014 #17
And there are comic fans like my son who are doing their best to fight this crap starroute Sep 2014 #14
nerdy men are "used to having their whims satisfied as swiftly, entirely, and luridly as possible"? Matariki Sep 2014 #18
I, for one, did not know that. Tuesday Afternoon Sep 2014 #19
As perhaps the nerdiest man on DU I can assure you Codeine Sep 2014 #21
I think this refers to entertainment needs - el_bryanto Sep 2014 #22
So the Pee Wee Hermans, Jerry Lewises, and Mr. Beans of this world Art_from_Ark Sep 2014 #23
Did it occur to you to try an understand what the author meant? nt el_bryanto Sep 2014 #29
Apparently not. Clicking on the link and reading the entire thing is tooooo haaaaaard. Luminous Animal Sep 2014 #36
Yes, I tried to understand what the author was trying to say Art_from_Ark Sep 2014 #48
Apparently you didn't try very hard el_bryanto Sep 2014 #50
I have a thought about this, from my own experience Orrex Sep 2014 #51
Yeah, I quit reading after that. NaturalHigh Sep 2014 #24
Really. Because that came almost at the end of the article. Luminous Animal Sep 2014 #27
Really. It's in the first paragraph of the article excerpt above. NaturalHigh Sep 2014 #31
It's a bad habit of mine to actually read the entire article before passing judgment. Luminous Animal Sep 2014 #35
As I said, I stopped reading after that comment. NaturalHigh Sep 2014 #37
Did you say something? I had my fingers in my ears. Lalalalalala. Luminous Animal Sep 2014 #38
You should get that checked. NaturalHigh Sep 2014 #39
Kind of like 50 shades of Gray. Some folks said they didn't need to read the book, just excerpts. The Straight Story Sep 2014 #49
It needs to be taken in context justiceischeap Sep 2014 #28
ESPECIALLY nerdy men hfojvt Sep 2014 #30
Well nerdy sexist and/or misogynist men at least. nt el_bryanto Sep 2014 #41
you have not heard the same conversation in the sports culture? or frat boy culture? or richie rich seabeyond Sep 2014 #45
Yeah. In that case, I'd like a cheeseburger. redgreenandblue Sep 2014 #32
Cheeseburger and fries? NaturalHigh Sep 2014 #33
On a linear scale, a jock must be swimming in sex. Eleanors38 Sep 2014 #42
Yeah, that set off the bullshit meter. JVS Sep 2014 #43
Geez, I need a beer, but I guess, I'm just not nerdy enough to have all my wishes fulfilled. FSogol Sep 2014 #44
K&R great post. nt UtahLib Sep 2014 #20
As a wise man once said Capt. Obvious Sep 2014 #26
K&R Luminous Animal Sep 2014 #40
K&R Starry Messenger Sep 2014 #47
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