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BrotherIvan

(9,126 posts)
33. Thank you so much for sharing that link
Thu Sep 25, 2014, 02:28 PM
Sep 2014

That is just what we need to talk about: redefining the dream. Our definition is impossible for young people to achieve and is it what will make them happiest? Because workers are no longer being paid a fair/union wage, getting that house with a fence and a car and a couple of kids means working until you drop, going into debt up to your eyeballs, putting your children into debt servitude for the rest of their lives, defining oneself by your possessions, with nothing at the end but a kick in the ass from your boss out the door, the meagre promise of social security, and the fear of crushing medical bills. That dream only exists to make corporations money.

I'm over at that site reading, but I do wish this was something we talked about much more. I find that Europeans can more quickly grasp these ideas because they haven't been so brainwashed and broken, robbed of self esteem by downsizing and workplace totalitarianism, and beaten over the head with constant fear by the media. They are trying out new ways of living and designing their lives, and "work as much as possible to make as much money as possible so you can buy as many things as possible" is usually much farther down on their list.

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"citizens will be looking for leaders who offer concrete, credible plans for a better future—and djean111 Sep 2014 #1
I had a college history teacher in the early 80's that was not impressed with the "American dream". brewens Sep 2014 #2
And that's the crux of it, too, brewens. calimary Sep 2014 #15
Sadly, ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2014 #26
real wages peaked in 1968 KurtNYC Sep 2014 #3
Obama will be blamed, but fiscal conservativism is the culprit. closeupready Sep 2014 #4
And that's Mission Accomplished for the elite assholes. stillwaiting Sep 2014 #6
People must be waking up. PeoViejo Sep 2014 #5
We needed someone far stronger than Obama turned out to be. It was clear from the start that world wide wally Sep 2014 #7
The dream has evaporated into dreary reality. Tierra_y_Libertad Sep 2014 #8
These numbers are significant marions ghost Sep 2014 #9
Or giving up? I hope not..... jwirr Sep 2014 #18
The American Dream is a fantasy. Such phrases mean whatever you want them to mean. Zen Democrat Sep 2014 #10
K&R.... daleanime Sep 2014 #11
I still believe that hard work helps to get you ahead Android3.14 Sep 2014 #12
I haven't gone to the source; but ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2014 #13
Yes, it is interesting that they did not break it down by race. Because since they did not this does jwirr Sep 2014 #24
I'm an old timer, born in 1942. I see the American dream as a nightmare. Paper Roses Sep 2014 #14
Born in 1940 and you express exactly what I feel Stargazer99 Sep 2014 #17
You are not alone. I was born in 1941. Much of what you talk about is what I went through. We jwirr Sep 2014 #30
It is now the American Nightmare. There will be no ballyhoo Sep 2014 #16
The American Dream was always a hoax, propaganda from the Ownership class. Rex Sep 2014 #19
True - some of us after WWII had half a chance - TBF Sep 2014 #35
The PTB view this as good news whatchamacallit Sep 2014 #20
That's what happens when you have 2 Corporate Parties representing the 1%, and NOBODY blkmusclmachine Sep 2014 #21
The "American Dream" mythos is, far more, steeped in ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2014 #32
I'm not sleeping right now. davidthegnome Sep 2014 #22
You describe the situation well... marions ghost Sep 2014 #28
Yep n2doc Sep 2014 #31
Perhaps it is time to dream a different dream. Skidmore Sep 2014 #23
Thank you so much for sharing that link BrotherIvan Sep 2014 #33
Aw, c'mon guys! Turn that frown upside down! You gotta have... KansDem Sep 2014 #25
The American Dream was always bullshit. alarimer Sep 2014 #27
This is the great "conservative" achievement Cary Sep 2014 #29
kick woo me with science Sep 2014 #34
kick woo me with science Sep 2014 #36
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