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In reply to the discussion: Anyone remember how this time last year Obama and Kerry Pushed for Bombing Syria? [View all]Maedhros
(10,007 posts)14. Do not forget that the gassing was a false-flag operation instigated by Turkey
http://www.lrb.co.uk/v36/n08/seymour-m-hersh/the-red-line-and-the-rat-line
http://original.antiwar.com/justin/2014/04/06/who-was-behind-the-syrian-sarin-false-flag-attack/
As intercepts and other data related to the 21 August attacks were gathered, the intelligence community saw evidence to support its suspicions. We now know it was a covert action planned by Erdoğans people to push Obama over the red line, the former intelligence official said. They had to escalate to a gas attack in or near Damascus when the UN inspectors who arrived in Damascus on 18 August to investigate the earlier use of gas were there. The deal was to do something spectacular. Our senior military officers have been told by the DIA and other intelligence assets that the sarin was supplied through Turkey that it could only have gotten there with Turkish support. The Turks also provided the training in producing the sarin and handling it. Much of the support for that assessment came from the Turks themselves, via intercepted conversations in the immediate aftermath of the attack. Principal evidence came from the Turkish post-attack joy and back-slapping in numerous intercepts. Operations are always so super-secret in the planning but that all flies out the window when it comes to crowing afterwards. There is no greater vulnerability than in the perpetrators claiming credit for success. Erdoğans problems in Syria would soon be over: Off goes the gas and Obama will say red line and America is going to attack Syria, or at least that was the idea. But it did not work out that way.
http://original.antiwar.com/justin/2014/04/06/who-was-behind-the-syrian-sarin-false-flag-attack/
What did the President know and when did he know it? Hersh says "The post-attack intelligence on Turkey did not make its way to the White House" except when Obama was confronted by the joint chiefs with the British report. "Nobody wants to talk about all this, the former intelligence official told [Hersh]":
"There is great reluctance to contradict the president, although no all-source intelligence community analysis supported his leap to convict. There has not been one single piece of additional evidence of Syrian involvement in the sarin attack produced by the White House since the bombing raid was called off. My government cant say anything because we have acted so irresponsibly. And since we blamed Assad, we cant go back and blame Erdoğan.
The President didnt care about the facts in the first place, and his knowledge of the truth didnt lead him to change course. If not for the public outcry against US intervention he wouldve gone ahead with it as long as he thought he could get away with it.
"There is great reluctance to contradict the president, although no all-source intelligence community analysis supported his leap to convict. There has not been one single piece of additional evidence of Syrian involvement in the sarin attack produced by the White House since the bombing raid was called off. My government cant say anything because we have acted so irresponsibly. And since we blamed Assad, we cant go back and blame Erdoğan.
The President didnt care about the facts in the first place, and his knowledge of the truth didnt lead him to change course. If not for the public outcry against US intervention he wouldve gone ahead with it as long as he thought he could get away with it.
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Anyone remember how this time last year Obama and Kerry Pushed for Bombing Syria? [View all]
J_J_
Sep 2014
OP
Do not forget that the gassing was a false-flag operation instigated by Turkey
Maedhros
Sep 2014
#14
Which the UN investigated and found to be false. The UK Parliament also rejected
sabrina 1
Sep 2014
#20
I missed that! Lol, from Bolton of all people! Shouldn't he have included the US
sabrina 1
Sep 2014
#32
sorry, but dishonesty rules the day among those trying to get us into another war
waddirum
Sep 2014
#65
Cuz they changed the excuse??? Communism, WMD, Yazidi, Khorasan.... Whatever.
grahamhgreen
Sep 2014
#58
Indeed. Last year public opinion (and congress) was opposed to bombing. It didn't happen.
pampango
Sep 2014
#66
I just pointed that out above. How quickly people forget, the goals of the PNAC.
sabrina 1
Sep 2014
#21
As a matter of fact I do. Our collective amnesia is nothing compared to our moral flexibility.
pa28
Sep 2014
#11
When the 'end justifies the means' nothing really has to make sense. Just keep on throwing
sabrina 1
Sep 2014
#24
Yes, I remember when approximately 1,000 people were killed with Sarin nerve gas
cheapdate
Sep 2014
#15
So when did we invade Iran? I remember that was Hersch's scoop for about 10 years? n/t
sweetloukillbot
Sep 2014
#51
Assad gassed his own people I don't care what Hersh has to say about it.. I trust Bernie Sanders
Cha
Sep 2014
#68
The pressure did not come from the US. Kerry stated, when asked what Assad needed to
sabrina 1
Sep 2014
#40
So, we're to believe that the intense manuevering, negotiations, and last-miuinte actions
cheapdate
Sep 2014
#46
LOL. 'What Kerry never expected'...that's what low-information corpmedia has people thinking.
blm
Sep 2014
#16
I don't read or listen to Corporate Media other than to check them against more
sabrina 1
Sep 2014
#75
All you need to do is give us something concrete, not what you are 'thinking' or 'interpreting'
sabrina 1
Sep 2014
#87
Of course I remember. The President's bombing plan was thwarted this year, so a new excuse
Romulox
Sep 2014
#19
Republicans don't want Obama to have ANY power, much less wartime powers.
Spitfire of ATJ
Sep 2014
#37
Evidently the media doesn't remember either. McCain at al are allowed to say "shoulda" "wppida"
kelliekat44
Sep 2014
#41