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hlthe2b

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30. Pro-choice does not mean "ABSENT ANY PLANNING" for any and all future pregnancies

Thu Sep 25, 2014, 07:19 PM

Sep 2014

Women are not brood mares and the men that press them into such a chattel role (and the parents/church members who brainwash them into this role) should rot in the hell of their own making.

Children deserve a childhood, which does not happen when they become indentured servants to cleaning the house and raising the younger children--all an outcome of these gargantuan families. In centuries past, large families served a purpose--to ensure the survival of at least a few, given the high rate of childhood mortality. That time is long past.

This is not a "pro-choice" issue. No one has taken her choice away during any of her 19 pregnancies. It is a world-responsibility issue, however and they are thus fully open to the criticism they receive as a couple.

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The Duggars (19 Kids and Counting) consider Halloween "demonic" [View all] Archae Sep 2014 OP

This is observationally equivalent to people who don't feel like buying candy to give out. Dreamer Tatum Sep 2014 #1

Even worse, giving out chick tracts sakabatou Sep 2014 #119

Of course they do...they have to make 19 freakin' costumes!!! n/t FourScore Sep 2014 #122

I consider having 19 kids during a time when our our future is one of ever limited resources... hlthe2b Sep 2014 #2

so much for pro choice Travis_0004 Sep 2014 #24

Sounds like you don't understand what 'pro choice' means. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Sep 2014 #26

Pro-choice does not mean "ABSENT ANY PLANNING" for any and all future pregnancies hlthe2b Sep 2014 #30

100 percent pro choice yeoman6987 Sep 2014 #66

Thank YOU! smirkymonkey Sep 2014 #71

I beg your pardon: pro-choice meant it was YOUR choice. Not anyone else's. Wella Sep 2014 #93

"Respect others' opinions" is a very weak argument. alp227 Sep 2014 #96

I said respect others' "choices". Wella Sep 2014 #104

In any case, define what out means to respect alp227 Sep 2014 #107

How about an apology first? Wella Sep 2014 #108

OK I'm sorry for misinterpreting your post. alp227 Sep 2014 #109

Thank you. It means that you come from a philosophical world view of choice Wella Sep 2014 #111

So can one be non judgmental while making an argument alp227 Sep 2014 #112

Once you assign values to choices, you disrupt the general notion of choice and you invite criticism Wella Sep 2014 #116

You really... hlthe2b Sep 2014 #98

I worked for a NARAL affiliate Wella Sep 2014 #105

Oh, really... hlthe2b Sep 2014 #118

Are you so accustomed to people lying that you can't comprehend when someone tells you the truth? Wella Sep 2014 #121

Seriously? You think pro-choice means you no longer LondonReign2 Sep 2014 #103

It means that your philosophical world view should shape your opinion. If you are Pro-Choice, you Wella Sep 2014 #106

You're very confused as to what pro-choice means LondonReign2 Sep 2014 #124

Ok. If I am confused, perhaps you can do what I have done: give a philosophical and legal perspectiv Wella Sep 2014 #128

I'm waiting. And I really will listen. Wella Sep 2014 #129

Still waiting.... Wella Sep 2014 #133

Still waiting to see why I am confused Wella Oct 2014 #141

Pretty freakin' judgemental, aren't you? HoustonDave Sep 2014 #134

when men decide to relegate women to the role of brood mare--mere chattel for more and more children hlthe2b Sep 2014 #140

Absolutely pro-choice. Mariana Sep 2014 #51

so its ok to protest outside an abortion clinic Travis_0004 Sep 2014 #52

Criticizing someone's decisions in no way denies her right to make those decisions. Mariana Sep 2014 #56

Not immediately. But societal judgements can quickly become laws that deny people rights Wella Sep 2014 #95

You and I know protesting outside clinics is far beyond mere criticism. alp227 Sep 2014 #97

So much for rational thought... LanternWaste Sep 2014 #91

Pretty ridiculous isn't it? Those who don't want to have a baby must have the choice not to, but liberal_at_heart Sep 2014 #117

My dad's parents had 9 kids (8 still living) and I love all my aunts and uncles dearly. nomorenomore08 Sep 2014 #36

Large families, especially during the depression and in rural areas was the norm. hlthe2b Sep 2014 #37

All very true. Though my dad's family was neither rural nor extremely poor, just Catholic. nomorenomore08 Sep 2014 #38

+1000 smirkymonkey Sep 2014 #43

We needn't hate the children or the parents. Orsino Oct 2014 #143

But God himself used magic to create the universe and everything in it. Rex Sep 2014 #3

Yes. Belief in magic isn't in question. Orsino Sep 2014 #88

The Bible doesn't say it was "magic". That's your interpretation. Wella Sep 2014 #94

I could never get 19 pumpkins to grow from the same vine. TheCowsCameHome Sep 2014 #4

Try talking fucking babytalk in a breathy Marilyn voice elehhhhna Sep 2014 #6

I can't get pumpkins Worried senior Sep 2014 #28

Read "Zealot". All the other messiah-type-guys back in the day, elehhhhna Sep 2014 #5

"Moses was but a juggler" according to Christopher Marlowe Tom Ripley Sep 2014 #83

These people are not fun. shenmue Sep 2014 #7

Beware of the magic in that appliance from hell you are typing on......... wandy Sep 2014 #8

It is a miracle mankind ever learned how to make fire. Jamastiene Sep 2014 #76

If blue smoke escapes from his appliance from hell, he needs to quit buying the cheap ones jmowreader Sep 2014 #132

Post removed Post removed Sep 2014 #9

crotch-fruit? That's how you refer to children? Wow. Do you aspire to be as hateful as the liberal_at_heart Sep 2014 #13

Crotch-fruit? TexasMommaWithAHat Sep 2014 #14

Disgusting. Seriously. nt Dreamer Tatum Sep 2014 #18

Excellent hide. Thanks jury! (nt) Nye Bevan Sep 2014 #33

My my...poster been here since 2002 Rex Sep 2014 #50

Where did you get the (wrong) idea they just started posting? nt greyl Sep 2014 #62

Their profile, didn't you know that? nt Rex Sep 2014 #63

No, their profile doesn't say they just started posting. greyl Sep 2014 #64

Sure right, I see now. Rex Sep 2014 #65

Maybe I will go as a Duggar this year. City Lights Sep 2014 #10

The Baptist preacher in my neighborhood had the best candy and decorations FrodosPet Sep 2014 #11

I was hoping to conjur a demon out of my anus, this Halloween. Warren DeMontague Sep 2014 #12

Rent a Dick Cheney costume, less risk of hurting yourself, TheCowsCameHome Sep 2014 #15

Warren does that the rest of the year pinboy3niner Sep 2014 #23

I actually AM Dick Cheney. Warren DeMontague Sep 2014 #35

but they dressed up as a Cow to get a free meal from Chick Fila JI7 Sep 2014 #16

You would, too, if you had to come up with 19 costume ideas. cyberswede Sep 2014 #17

Why give them any publicity? Neoma Sep 2014 #19

They have a friggin TV show about them and their kids. Calista241 Sep 2014 #114

I don't even watch TV. Neoma Sep 2014 #123

After clicking on the link, I felt like I was mugged. Geezzzz BlueJazz Sep 2014 #20

the highly improbable magic events in the bible are "miracles" hobbit709 Sep 2014 #21

Blecch. catbyte Sep 2014 #22

hmm...I thought most Christians thought Halloween was demonic. Stellar Sep 2014 #25

Far from it! TexasMommaWithAHat Sep 2014 #31

Every year I read about churches that put on a "Hell House." Archae Sep 2014 #45

Get out....really?! Stellar Sep 2014 #48

Most churches are not "fundy" churches TexasMommaWithAHat Sep 2014 #73

The church I attended as a child Jenoch Sep 2014 #39

That still sound kind of erie. Stellar Sep 2014 #46

November 1st is All Saints Day. Jenoch Sep 2014 #59

I do too yeoman6987 Sep 2014 #67

Birth control is also magic ProudToBeBlueInRhody Sep 2014 #27

Everything about female anatomy is magic to them. Like The Wandering Wombs: freshwest Sep 2014 #130

That's because All Saints are Demons, right??? elleng Sep 2014 #29

We need our own cable news network to expose the dirty truth about the War on Halloween! pinboy3niner Sep 2014 #32

I will apply for a job there. Jamastiene Sep 2014 #77

Well of COURSE they think that! JustAnotherGen Sep 2014 #34

Not surprised, sadly. AverageJoe90 Sep 2014 #40

Can you imagine 19 kids hopped up on halloween candy? Scootaloo Sep 2014 #41

You may have a point!!! pinboy3niner Sep 2014 #42

But these same people scream that liberals are waging a war on Christmas maryellen99 Sep 2014 #44

DUzy shenmue Sep 2014 #126

Side hug! CANDO Sep 2014 #47

The few times I actually saw her... Archae Sep 2014 #49

She does not actually raise the kids tabbycat31 Sep 2014 #60

Lol. A special Duggar episode yeoman6987 Sep 2014 #68

At the pediatric office where I work... 3catwoman3 Sep 2014 #53

Good comeback. I would probably have made some snotty remark mnhtnbb Sep 2014 #80

They don't understand what Hallowe'en is. Ilsa Sep 2014 #54

And they would say YOU don't understand it. nt. Mariana Sep 2014 #57

Buncha religion-poisoned homophobe hatemongers is all they are. HughBeaumont Sep 2014 #55

It IS, that's what's flamingdem Sep 2014 #58

Nominations for the subject of our annual satanic curse are now closed--we have a winner! pinboy3niner Sep 2014 #61

They probably hang out with this woman on the weekends. Initech Sep 2014 #69

They don't like "magic," but they are fine with a book of stories about a talking snake, Arugula Latte Sep 2014 #70

WTF? smirkymonkey Sep 2014 #72

Yes, it is. Jamastiene Sep 2014 #79

Don't forget Lott and his daughters, who take turns having sex with papa in a cave Jamastiene Sep 2014 #78

Those are some wholesome family values right there! Arugula Latte Sep 2014 #136

Tell me about it. Jamastiene Sep 2014 #139

Of course they consider it demonic - LibertyLover Sep 2014 #74

I haven't kept up with those weird ass people. Jamastiene Sep 2014 #75

They're based in Arkansas I think nt maryellen99 Sep 2014 #82

*eek* CountAllVotes Sep 2014 #81

Perhaps if people would not watch their silly reality benld74 Sep 2014 #84

Overpopulation is demonic. 6000eliot Sep 2014 #85

I'm offended. I consider Halloween as Christ's true birthday. hunter Sep 2014 #86

The quiverful thing requires a quantity-over-quality mindset... Orsino Sep 2014 #87

I feel so sorry for the Duggar kids. Raffi Ella Sep 2014 #89

There's one that was sent to boot camp tabbycat31 Sep 2014 #90

Of courrrrse libodem Sep 2014 #92

Fuck these people ellie Sep 2014 #99

Buying all those costumes would bankrupt them. leftyladyfrommo Sep 2014 #100

Isn't it statistically likely that at least one little Duggar or Duggarette would be gay? tularetom Sep 2014 #101

The father is a card carrying Republican.... SummerSnow Sep 2014 #102

Remind me why these asshats are on TV again? JCMach1 Sep 2014 #110

Who gives a shit? truebrit71 Sep 2014 #113

Well. the Duggars are DUMBonic...nt GReedDiamond Sep 2014 #115

I could care less what they believe especially about Halloween. What I care about is them liberal_at_heart Sep 2014 #120

I'm not shocked, but why again do we care Arkana Sep 2014 #125

A Duggar daughter recently married a LibDemAlways Sep 2014 #127

A woman wearing pants?!?! Arugula Latte Sep 2014 #137

Planet-killing over-reproduction is a lot more demonic n/t eridani Sep 2014 #131

F-them! I have one kid, and it's the best "holiday" of the year to him. HuckleB Sep 2014 #135

Don't much care what they think or say Marrah_G Sep 2014 #138

Do they also believe in elves? Orsino Oct 2014 #142