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alarimer

(17,146 posts)
35. No it isn't a lie at all.
Thu Sep 25, 2014, 07:19 PM
Sep 2014

He had an article retracted at Salon a few years ago because of its false and deadly innacuracies.

This is a good run-down of his idiocy:

http://www.slate.com/blogs/bad_astronomy/2013/06/13/robert_f_kennedy_jr_followup_on_his_antivaccination_claims.html

He believes this despite a vast amount of evidence that he’s grossly wrong. Despite test after test, a link from thimerosal to autism has never been shown. But Kennedy chooses to ignore the huge number of researchers who say this and instead focuses on a cherry-picked few, including some with somewhat, ah, shaky credentials.

While I’ve written about Kennedy once or twice before, the fact that he was the keynote speaker at an anti-vaccination (and generally anti-science alternative medicine) convention was what prompted me to write what I did. That, plus my editor, Laura Helmuth, asked me to. She had seen Keith Kloor’s article about Kennedy over at Discover and knew this was up my alley. I thought it was a good idea, and there you go.

Not long after my post went up, the emails came in … from Kennedy’s office. They contacted Helmuth asking if I would speak with Kennedy to correct some errors in my post. Helmuth relayed the request to me. I laughed and told her no thanks; I’ve dealt with conspiracy theorists like him before and knew what a brain-melty experience that phone call would be (as, unfortunately, Kloor found out first-hand). Instead, I told her, have his office write down where they think I was wrong with corrections, and I’d look them over to issue corrections as needed. This is what I did in the case of an article dissecting the selling out of science by the Canadian government a few weeks ago. (As I expected, the Ministry of Science and Technology sent me nitpicks, with the substance of my claims left unchallenged.)

What happened next in this saga still has me chuckling wryly and shaking my head. Kennedy’s office declined to write and enumerate any of my supposed errors but wanted to call instead. Helmuth agreed to this and decided to take Kennedy’s call herself. What unfolded was eerily as I predicted. Kennedy ranted at her for the better part of an hour. At one point he claimed more than one scientist supports him. Interestingly, when Helmuth contacted one of these scientists, he said Kennedy “completely misrepresented” him. Another scientist she contacted said much the same thing.

Shocker. I knew that would be the case. Listening to Kennedy’s radio show and reading his articles leads to an all-too-clear conclusion: When it comes to vaccines, he has all the signs of a crackpot. He ignores (or dismisses) evidence that contradicts him, he clings to cherry-picked (or quote-mined) evidence and clearly wrong evidence that supports him, he imagines vast conspiracies, he says scientists at the CDC are criminals, ad nauseum. His history is full of him saying such things.

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and science denying anti-vaxxer. MohRokTah Sep 2014 #1
That is a vicious lie being spread RobertEarl Sep 2014 #9
Thank you. nt pnwmom Sep 2014 #16
sounds like confirmation to me wyldwolf Sep 2014 #28
No it isn't a lie at all. alarimer Sep 2014 #35
The author of that article may be a sellout RobertEarl Sep 2014 #42
Anti vaxxers be like... zappaman Sep 2014 #51
Glad to see you seem to know as much about vaccines as you do about radiation. NuclearDem Sep 2014 #53
RFK Jr is a great Democrat, the son of another great Democrat who would be so proud of sabrina 1 Sep 2014 #58
Democrat, environmental activist, fucking lunatic. name not needed Sep 2014 #2
That doesn't offset his antivaxx stance. hobbit709 Sep 2014 #3
He's not against vaccines. That's a lie spun by people who can only think in black and white. pnwmom Sep 2014 #18
You've been told that is BS on how many threads now? hobbit709 Sep 2014 #23
At least a dozen. zappaman Sep 2014 #24
And obviously not registering. hobbit709 Sep 2014 #26
Anti vaxxers be like... zappaman Sep 2014 #27
Yeah, I've been "told" that by lots of fake experts. Martha Hebert, the professor in neurobiology pnwmom Sep 2014 #33
There is NO mercury in vaccines now. alarimer Sep 2014 #36
No, anyone saying the opposite is lying or stupid. pnwmom Sep 2014 #37
You've been listening to too many Big Pharma shills. JFK Jr is not against vaccines, no matter how sabrina 1 Sep 2014 #60
Also a dangerous, misinformed asshat. zappaman Sep 2014 #4
His children are fully vaccinated. All he's asking is that thimerosol be taken pnwmom Sep 2014 #10
Keep fanning those fears RFK Jr! zappaman Sep 2014 #12
Dr. Martha Hebert is an pediatric neurologist and autism researcher at Harvard. pnwmom Sep 2014 #15
She is a crank, like the Geyers and Wakefield. alarimer Sep 2014 #39
It's a shame when one goes out on a crazy limb (anti-vax) and has it taint all their other good work NightWatcher Sep 2014 #5
Apparently you can't point out his asshattery when it comes to being an anti-vaxxer zappaman Sep 2014 #6
Oh really. It isn't stopping anyone here. n/t pnwmom Sep 2014 #7
Then why the OP? zappaman Sep 2014 #11
Because many people, you included, don't know that he doesn't just have "great stuff to say" pnwmom Sep 2014 #13
pnwmom… I think you waste your time with some of the carrot stroker remarks you're getting... MrMickeysMom Sep 2014 #57
I thought Camelot was over NightWatcher Sep 2014 #8
If he was such an environmentalist, badtoworse Sep 2014 #14
He's still an anti-vax asshat...nt SidDithers Sep 2014 #17
I liked the guy until he joined the Jenny McCarthy crowd. LostInAnomie Sep 2014 #19
He's also an activist against harmful pharmaceuticals being Cleita Sep 2014 #20
Good point, Cleita. This does look increasingly like a smear campaign pnwmom Sep 2014 #21
for certain reddread Sep 2014 #31
The man is an anti-science crank. Spider Jerusalem Sep 2014 #22
So too bad he's so against the "science" of the oh so valuable mountaintop removal efforts... cascadiance Sep 2014 #30
That's irrelevant to his position on vaccines, which is still wrong and dangerous. Spider Jerusalem Sep 2014 #32
But it is relevant to calling him names like "asshat"... cascadiance Sep 2014 #40
No, it really isn't. Spider Jerusalem Sep 2014 #45
His position is that mercury shouldn't be added to vaccines that pregnant women and children get. pnwmom Sep 2014 #47
No, it isn't; stop misrepresenting what he says. Spider Jerusalem Sep 2014 #48
I can understand that there is a debate on this, and he may perhaps really have a weak argument... cascadiance Sep 2014 #49
I've provided quite a lot of substance. Did you read it? Spider Jerusalem Sep 2014 #50
Like you, I don't have a great deal of knowledge of this subject, though I might have to change that sabrina 1 Sep 2014 #61
I agree w/ you deathrind Sep 2014 #25
...who's dead fucking wrong on thiomersal and autism. NuclearDem Sep 2014 #29
Not according to Martha Hebert, MD, the Harvard neurology professor pnwmom Sep 2014 #34
I do because a mountain of scientific research since Wakefield's original fraud has said otherwise. NuclearDem Sep 2014 #38
If this guy Hebert connects vaccines and autism in any way... Archae Sep 2014 #41
She's a neurologist who says that neurotoxins shouldn't be added to vaccines. pnwmom Sep 2014 #43
You're avoiding my point. Archae Sep 2014 #44
Mercury is a neurotoxin, and it's added to flu vaccines that pregnant women and small children pnwmom Sep 2014 #46
Would you let someone put a large amount of poison in your system? Archae Sep 2014 #52
Methylmercury and ethylmercury are not the same thing. NuclearDem Sep 2014 #54
Both are neurotoxins. n/t pnwmom Sep 2014 #55
You'd do better wasting your time teaching a pig to sing than to reason with her. hobbit709 Sep 2014 #56
Absolutely. ucrdem Sep 2014 #59
And an idiotic anti-vaccination lunatic. longship Sep 2014 #62
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