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Spider Jerusalem

(21,786 posts)
45. No, it really isn't.
Thu Sep 25, 2014, 06:53 PM
Sep 2014

His position on vaccines is wrong, stupid, and dangerous. He is misusing the public platform he has on account of his name to spread fear and falsehood. I wouldn't call him an "asshat", personally (and haven't; you can check my posting history, assuming you can work out how to use the search function; so I'd thank you to not claim I have done).

I'm not the only one who has a problem with what he's done. Rolling Stone and Salon published a piece making many of the same vaccine-related claims by RFK Jr in 2005. That piece has been retracted since:

In 2005, Salon published online an exclusive story by Robert F. Kennedy Jr. that offered an explosive premise: that the mercury-based thimerosal compound present in vaccines until 2001 was dangerous, and that he was “convinced that the link between thimerosal and the epidemic of childhood neurological disorders is real.”

The piece was co-published with Rolling Stone magazine — they fact-checked it and published it in print; we posted it online. In the days after running “Deadly Immunity,” we amended the story with five corrections (which can still be found logged here) that went far in undermining Kennedy’s exposé. At the time, we felt that correcting the piece — and keeping it on the site, in the spirit of transparency — was the best way to operate. But subsequent critics, including most recently, Seth Mnookin in his book “The Panic Virus,” further eroded any faith we had in the story’s value. We’ve grown to believe the best reader service is to delete the piece entirely.

“I regret we didn’t move on this more quickly, as evidence continued to emerge debunking the vaccines and autism link,” says former Salon editor in chief Joan Walsh, now editor at large. “But continued revelations of the flaws and even fraud tainting the science behind the connection make taking down the story the right thing to do.” The story’s original URL now links to our autism topics page, which we believe now offers a strong record of clear thinking and skeptical coverage we’re proud of — including the critical pursuit of others who continue to propagate the debunked, and dangerous, autism-vaccine link.

http://www.salon.com/2011/01/16/dangerous_immunity/


See also here, here, here, here and many many other places besides for an overview of the actual science and the results of many studies relating to mercury, thimerosal, vaccination, and autism (helpful hint: repeated studies have found no link whatever). For further info re the fraudulent link between vaccination and autism, see here (exposé on the research fraud behind the original study claiming a vaccine/autism link).

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and science denying anti-vaxxer. MohRokTah Sep 2014 #1
That is a vicious lie being spread RobertEarl Sep 2014 #9
Thank you. nt pnwmom Sep 2014 #16
sounds like confirmation to me wyldwolf Sep 2014 #28
No it isn't a lie at all. alarimer Sep 2014 #35
The author of that article may be a sellout RobertEarl Sep 2014 #42
Anti vaxxers be like... zappaman Sep 2014 #51
Glad to see you seem to know as much about vaccines as you do about radiation. NuclearDem Sep 2014 #53
RFK Jr is a great Democrat, the son of another great Democrat who would be so proud of sabrina 1 Sep 2014 #58
Democrat, environmental activist, fucking lunatic. name not needed Sep 2014 #2
That doesn't offset his antivaxx stance. hobbit709 Sep 2014 #3
He's not against vaccines. That's a lie spun by people who can only think in black and white. pnwmom Sep 2014 #18
You've been told that is BS on how many threads now? hobbit709 Sep 2014 #23
At least a dozen. zappaman Sep 2014 #24
And obviously not registering. hobbit709 Sep 2014 #26
Anti vaxxers be like... zappaman Sep 2014 #27
Yeah, I've been "told" that by lots of fake experts. Martha Hebert, the professor in neurobiology pnwmom Sep 2014 #33
There is NO mercury in vaccines now. alarimer Sep 2014 #36
No, anyone saying the opposite is lying or stupid. pnwmom Sep 2014 #37
You've been listening to too many Big Pharma shills. JFK Jr is not against vaccines, no matter how sabrina 1 Sep 2014 #60
Also a dangerous, misinformed asshat. zappaman Sep 2014 #4
His children are fully vaccinated. All he's asking is that thimerosol be taken pnwmom Sep 2014 #10
Keep fanning those fears RFK Jr! zappaman Sep 2014 #12
Dr. Martha Hebert is an pediatric neurologist and autism researcher at Harvard. pnwmom Sep 2014 #15
She is a crank, like the Geyers and Wakefield. alarimer Sep 2014 #39
It's a shame when one goes out on a crazy limb (anti-vax) and has it taint all their other good work NightWatcher Sep 2014 #5
Apparently you can't point out his asshattery when it comes to being an anti-vaxxer zappaman Sep 2014 #6
Oh really. It isn't stopping anyone here. n/t pnwmom Sep 2014 #7
Then why the OP? zappaman Sep 2014 #11
Because many people, you included, don't know that he doesn't just have "great stuff to say" pnwmom Sep 2014 #13
pnwmom… I think you waste your time with some of the carrot stroker remarks you're getting... MrMickeysMom Sep 2014 #57
I thought Camelot was over NightWatcher Sep 2014 #8
If he was such an environmentalist, badtoworse Sep 2014 #14
He's still an anti-vax asshat...nt SidDithers Sep 2014 #17
I liked the guy until he joined the Jenny McCarthy crowd. LostInAnomie Sep 2014 #19
He's also an activist against harmful pharmaceuticals being Cleita Sep 2014 #20
Good point, Cleita. This does look increasingly like a smear campaign pnwmom Sep 2014 #21
for certain reddread Sep 2014 #31
The man is an anti-science crank. Spider Jerusalem Sep 2014 #22
So too bad he's so against the "science" of the oh so valuable mountaintop removal efforts... cascadiance Sep 2014 #30
That's irrelevant to his position on vaccines, which is still wrong and dangerous. Spider Jerusalem Sep 2014 #32
But it is relevant to calling him names like "asshat"... cascadiance Sep 2014 #40
No, it really isn't. Spider Jerusalem Sep 2014 #45
His position is that mercury shouldn't be added to vaccines that pregnant women and children get. pnwmom Sep 2014 #47
No, it isn't; stop misrepresenting what he says. Spider Jerusalem Sep 2014 #48
I can understand that there is a debate on this, and he may perhaps really have a weak argument... cascadiance Sep 2014 #49
I've provided quite a lot of substance. Did you read it? Spider Jerusalem Sep 2014 #50
Like you, I don't have a great deal of knowledge of this subject, though I might have to change that sabrina 1 Sep 2014 #61
I agree w/ you deathrind Sep 2014 #25
...who's dead fucking wrong on thiomersal and autism. NuclearDem Sep 2014 #29
Not according to Martha Hebert, MD, the Harvard neurology professor pnwmom Sep 2014 #34
I do because a mountain of scientific research since Wakefield's original fraud has said otherwise. NuclearDem Sep 2014 #38
If this guy Hebert connects vaccines and autism in any way... Archae Sep 2014 #41
She's a neurologist who says that neurotoxins shouldn't be added to vaccines. pnwmom Sep 2014 #43
You're avoiding my point. Archae Sep 2014 #44
Mercury is a neurotoxin, and it's added to flu vaccines that pregnant women and small children pnwmom Sep 2014 #46
Would you let someone put a large amount of poison in your system? Archae Sep 2014 #52
Methylmercury and ethylmercury are not the same thing. NuclearDem Sep 2014 #54
Both are neurotoxins. n/t pnwmom Sep 2014 #55
You'd do better wasting your time teaching a pig to sing than to reason with her. hobbit709 Sep 2014 #56
Absolutely. ucrdem Sep 2014 #59
And an idiotic anti-vaccination lunatic. longship Sep 2014 #62
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