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Showing Original Post only (View all)Why one prominent doctor (Dr. Ezekial Emmanuel) says, "I hope to die at 75" [View all]
As a result of advances in science and medicine, humans are living longer than ever. It's hard to believe that at the turn of the last century, the average American life expectancy was just 47. Today, Americans can expect to make it to the ripe old age of 79 -- and an increasing number live much longer.
Though many people welcome the idea of living as long as possible and watching their great-grandchildren grow up, some view the prospect of extremely old age as burdensome on both a societal and personal level.
In his controversial essay that appears in the October issue of The Atlantic, the prominent bioethicist Dr. Ezekiel Emanuel argues that longevity -- living into your 80s, 90s and beyond -- often comes at the expense of quality of life. Emanuel says he will be perfectly content if he dies at age 75.
By the time I reach 75, I will have lived a complete life," Emanuel writes in the magazine. "I will have loved and been loved. My children will be grown and in the midst of their own rich lives. I will have seen my grandchildren born and beginning their lives. I will have pursued my life's projects and made whatever contributions, important or not, I am going to make. And hopefully, I will not have too many mental and physical limitations."
Emanuel, the director of the Clinical Bioethics Department at the U.S. National Institutes of Health and head of the Department of Medical Ethics & Health Policy at the University of Pennsylvania, helped develop President Obama's health care reform law. Emanuel makes it clear that he is not arguing for euthanasia or assisted suicide at a certain age.
Instead, he wants to call attention to "a simple truth that many of us seem to resist: living too long is also a loss. It renders many of us, if not disabled, then faltering and declining." Emanuel argues that in their oldest of years, people tend to see their creative output decline and contribute less to society.
Moreover, the efforts that go into living longer, including extreme lifesaving medical interventions, often result in lengthening the dying process and eventually in death without dignity.
"Ezekiel Emanuel did a remarkable thing: he created discourse. He made everybody start to talk about this," said CBS News medical contributor Dr. David Agus.
But Agus, author of the books "The End of Illness" and "A Short Guide to a Long Life," says we should embrace the extra years humans have been afforded as a result of scientific breakthroughs, better nutrition and overall improvements in quality of life. "If you start to live right, if you start to take the vaccines and preventive medicines you have, to move during the day, avoid smoking -- all of the things that have been detailed before --it will work," Agus told "CBS This Morning."
There was a time when "old age" was considered a common cause of death, but it has not appeared on a death certificate since 1951, says Agus.
Pushing the limits of the human lifespan is becoming more and more possible as cures are found for once-fatal diseases, and as researchers uncover potential ways to counter effects of the aging process.
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http://www.cbsnews.com/news/why-one-prominent-doctor-hopes-to-die-at-75/
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Why one prominent doctor (Dr. Ezekial Emmanuel) says, "I hope to die at 75" [View all]
KoKo
Sep 2014
OP
I'm 58 And I Don't Have A Desire to Live more than another 16 or 18 years
ProfessorGAC
Sep 2014
#150
Yes. Putting a number on it is silly..It's all about how you feel at the time. n/t
whathehell
Sep 2014
#201
This is obviously a personal decision. I have no doubt their are people who are living in chronic
still_one
Sep 2014
#28
I absolutely agree. I'm 74 now and am shooting for 80 only because I'm in good health
monmouth3
Sep 2014
#3
I'm only 29, but I've already begun to take my health a little more seriously than I used to.
nomorenomore08
Sep 2014
#5
I guess I'm fortunate enough to have one of those brains that soaks up information like a sponge.
nomorenomore08
Sep 2014
#20
That is the point. It is going to be a very personal view. If one feels good, they will have a
still_one
Sep 2014
#30
It certainly does. My maternal grandmother's mother lived to be almost 98, and up until the last
nomorenomore08
Sep 2014
#22
My dear mother is 88 and still drives, shops, is already tucking gifts away for all the grandkids!
TheNutcracker
Sep 2014
#84
You're so right...I'm so lucky and blessed to still have her so whole, and to have her genes!!!
TheNutcracker
Sep 2014
#187
I'm 70, and I put that age at 84. I'm still learning a lot, especially physically
enough
Sep 2014
#4
Did this guy say he was suffering any kind of debilitating illness? That he was IN "chronic pain?"
MADem
Sep 2014
#44
No. According to the article, that is NOT the issue he's discussing. He flat out said as much IN
MADem
Sep 2014
#65
I think people should be allowed to live as long as they want to...I don't like this idea that
MADem
Sep 2014
#192
What a WONDERFUL FIND!!! Thanks for including that in this thread--a MUST READ!!
MADem
Sep 2014
#200
Not in my neighborhood. And not according to the Altzheimer's Association, either.
MADem
Sep 2014
#178
Your link says that, of people with Alzheimer's, 44% of them are between 75 and 84
muriel_volestrangler
Sep 2014
#186
From the Altzheimer's Association. I provided the link within the post. And it's not "30 or 40."
MADem
Sep 2014
#189
All I am saying is it is a personal issue. No one should decide what is right for someone else and
still_one
Sep 2014
#60
He isn't saying that. It has nothing to do with midterms. It is one doctors view
still_one
Sep 2014
#71
politically it is a non-issue, because it has nothing to do with the politics you are inferring as
still_one
Sep 2014
#138
This is a different issue. It isn't about the ACA. Just how many headline are you seeing regarding
still_one
Sep 2014
#143
I think it is his personal view. Regardless we just disagree on the impact it will have
still_one
Sep 2014
#149
I hear you. You do realize if they did try to put that as part of the ACA it would fly like a lead
still_one
Sep 2014
#160
I know people in their nineties who are sharper than I was in my thirties, forties and fifties.
MADem
Sep 2014
#41
He also makes it clear he is speaking for himself. So you disagree with his position, most will in
still_one
Sep 2014
#76
We all speak for ourselves--most of us don't do it in a position piece in the ATLANTIC that is
MADem
Sep 2014
#85
Unless you have a family history that puts you, personally, at that specific risk for Altzheimer's,
MADem
Sep 2014
#180
I also linked to the statistics I found. But, yes, I do have a parent with it, so my head isn't
pnwmom
Sep 2014
#181
'I just think this is an opening salvo for an argument to ration health care.'
sabrina 1
Sep 2014
#72
I certainly don't want my death to be tied to some arbitrary age. That is what he is espousing -
djean111
Sep 2014
#154
If you read the whole article, you would know he's not talking about anyone committing suicide.
pnwmom
Sep 2014
#164
I admit I read the article with the bias of having read some of his papers - like how spending a
djean111
Sep 2014
#182
Well, I certainly don't agree with any libertarian nonsense, and I'm for single payer.
pnwmom
Sep 2014
#183
Thanks for understanding! My reaction is based on all the things I have read about him.
djean111
Sep 2014
#185
I just got finished taking care of two elderly family members a year ago. I am proud to say
sabrina 1
Sep 2014
#174
As long as I'm phytsically and mentally healthy I plan to live until I'm at least 100. I remember
Louisiana1976
Sep 2014
#10
I completely support people's right to end their lives when they wish to. Albeit with counseling etc
nomorenomore08
Sep 2014
#24
Too much money for his Private HC buddies is what he's really worried about. I hope he manages
sabrina 1
Sep 2014
#53
Just looking at the questions in the post above yours, which may not be representative of
sabrina 1
Sep 2014
#49
BINGO. "The Rich Are Different" and they can live as long as they'd like, because they can
MADem
Sep 2014
#63
You're doing great--that UNIT is a huge contribution to this discussion and thank you for it. nt
MADem
Sep 2014
#108
You can get it to read on your kindle/nook or computer/tablet (w/an app) for three fifty
MADem
Sep 2014
#112
You can get the ebook at that Amazon link, cheap, too. It's the "kindle" version but you don't NEED
MADem
Sep 2014
#190
you'd think that'd be easy to arrange, but the main mafias are Italian and Irish
MisterP
Sep 2014
#29
my father is 77 and still healthy and having fun in life. plays golf 3, 4 x's a week.
seabeyond
Sep 2014
#31
Well, more power to him. One less member of that family to plague the rest of us.
scarletwoman
Sep 2014
#37
Amazing isn't it, how that family's total lack of morals and principles is still being foisted on
sabrina 1
Sep 2014
#48
I can't think of too many people whose opinions are more suspect than Rahm's brother's.
sabrina 1
Sep 2014
#47
I don't like him. I think he would deprive the very elderly of cutting edge medicine.
madfloridian
Sep 2014
#66
44% of people between 75 and 84 have Alzheimers. So I think he makes a reasonable point.
pnwmom
Sep 2014
#75
As long as that his his decision, and not the decision of the government or an insurance co.
bluestateguy
Sep 2014
#77
LOL!!! A healthy 74 year old Zeke'll be saying "But but but but but..." n/t
cherokeeprogressive
Sep 2014
#100
Personally, I'd like the option of euthanasia. Live life until it's just too hard.
Hoyt
Sep 2014
#109
There is something to be said for quality over quantity but, I am not sure one can put an age limit
Tuesday Afternoon
Sep 2014
#113
what part of personal decision do you NOT understand? This is really none of my business. Done here.
Tuesday Afternoon
Sep 2014
#118
Fuck you. Our society could do without assholes like you now. Bioethicist, my ass.
valerief
Sep 2014
#124
If the USA would allow stem cell treatments like some people I know who get them in other countries,
Sunlei
Sep 2014
#135
No he isn't--Mitt Romney and the Massachusetts Legislature are the architects of Obamacare.
MADem
Sep 2014
#191
It wasn't "just moved" but many essential elements, the building blocks, the "architecture"
MADem
Sep 2014
#205
Looks to me like he has always just been about seeing people as units - and quality of life is not
djean111
Sep 2014
#206
Wouldn't it be great if he used his intellect and influence - he was an advisor for Obama on the
djean111
Sep 2014
#209
We wouldn't have to argue about this if we had a civilized approach to elder care, including means
Brickbat
Sep 2014
#141
If you look around at his other papers, etc., the 75 year old death thing is not about quality of
djean111
Sep 2014
#151
Right now it's coded as: "if you're debilitated you may be a cash cow to some nursing home
pnwmom
Sep 2014
#171
It's not an argument for euthanasia. It's an argument for letting people control their own lives
pnwmom
Sep 2014
#173
I told the 75 year old and the 80 year old I played gold with today about this
CBGLuthier
Sep 2014
#170
To be clear - Zeke is only concerned about contributions to society, not whether your friends are
djean111
Sep 2014
#204
OK, they pay taxes and go to church and enjoy their families. Is that ok with Zeke?
CBGLuthier
Sep 2014
#207
Zeke is already worse than useless so why wait for 75. Evil motherfucker.
TheKentuckian
Sep 2014
#176