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Mc Mike

(9,107 posts)
58. Sorry HPD, can't give you a link.
Fri Apr 13, 2012, 01:21 PM
Apr 2012

Your post # 50 is the # 4 result in hits on Yahoo for jrkcia (so I'm chasing our tail on-line on this issue), and Yahoo result # 3 is an amusing discussion from a dot com (called 'whose media' drums in the global village). Basically a fight between several high level 'panthers' with CIA ties -- Malik Shabaaz, Katherine Cleaver, Elaine Brown, Geronimo Pratt. Here's why I say that:

Post 31 on this site has a good link from the SPLC about Malik Shabazz, the fake new black panther. If you combine Dallas, Farrakhan' NOI, a designation as a hate group, and the repug effort to make these new paper panthers into a credible underground conspiracy (the point of the original post here), if you combine them all into one neat package like Shabaaz's outfit represents, you're looking at 'the government' and intelligence agencies, as well as repug campaign media propaganda efforts. 'The government' isn't just the Obama Admin, it's also 'old hands' who are holding power over the course of many presidential administrations.

The Cleavers' connections with the CIA are undoubtable.

Pratt took over the LA Panthers when Ms. Huggins' husband was killed by Karenga's United Slaves outfit. (Seale discussed Karenga's Los Angeles gas station venture as being backed by the Rockefellers in 'Sieze The Time'. CIA.) Newton didn't trust Pratt, and Pratt is connected to Ward Churchill(CIA) through 'Studies on the Left' magazine. Churchill is a 'professor' like Karenga (who used to be Ron Everett, before all his name changes.) 'Pratt and LA' is important because the Wiki info on Jay Richard Kennedy and Brown put them in the music business, and LA, at that time.

Wiki's Elaine Brown info has her moving to LA around '61, to be a pro songwriter, but she winds up working in a wise guy strip bar, and meets the CIA's Kennedy. It also indicates her cutting records for the Panthers in '68 and '73, but whether she recorded in LA or Motown isn't indicated.

Wiki of Motown shows they had 110 top 10 records from '61 to '71. They started moving to LA in '69, (after Bunchy Carter and John Huggins were assassinated and Pratt took over the LA Panthers) and Motown completed the move by '72.

I tried to get an on-line link for you on Kennedy and Motown, that avoids citing wiki and Brown's autobiography, since my caveat on 'A Taste of Power' started the whole original conversation, and I don't really like citing wiki. But I couldn't. I don't own the book, but read it from the library in '93. I dug up a hard-copy Essence Magazine article from Feb. of '93, that promotes her book (starts on p. 58), but she spends too much time bashing Newton in it, to mention her musical career and CIA friend Kennedy. I have an absract from New York Times Magazine for 1-31-93, page 20, by author Rosemary L. Bray, but no way to get the Times site to cough it up. It interviews Brown about her book, her early life in Hollywood, and her relationship with Jay Kennedy. Ms. Bray seems to be good, unlike Brown, and she used to edit the NY Times Magazine, but I can't get it on-line for you.

So to bite the bullet, all I can say it that Brown's 'Taste' discusses Kennedy more thoroughly than I can find available in internet sources. He went to Motown, or Motown came to him in LA. He was involved in representing acts, and on the business end of Motown, according to Brown. She wasn't blowing the whistle on him, she was discussing his accomplishments. That's what I remember about her discussion of Kennedy in her book, but my memory doesn't prove anything to you. When Motown got broke is a matter of individual listeners' taste. I think the complete move to LA killed it, but some good music lingered in Detroit and LA, even after that. Then those sparks faded too.


So to cut to the chase, I can't prove a connection on-line between the CIA's Kennedy and Motown, and must recommend Elaine Brown's book for further reference(!) Lifes a bitch, sometimes, I guess. I won't be re-reading it myself, because I disliked and distrusted Brown enough the first time around. I'm sorry that I couldn't get something credible for you as a link on-line, and hopefully I didn't waste your time with the long response.

Scary black people Hugabear Apr 2012 #1
Yep - the right wing wackos are afraid of 5 Black people. jillan Apr 2012 #3
Following orders from Captain Hannity of the White Brigade. n/t K Gardner Apr 2012 #2
Any time faux shows clips of the "New Black Panthers" Cali_Democrat Apr 2012 #4
Allen West is a scary black man Angry Dragon Apr 2012 #5
I'd rather have to deal with the NBPs than that kook. GoCubsGo Apr 2012 #54
Well how about that - a journalist from Chicago beat me to this observation... jillan Apr 2012 #6
We laugh at the New Black Panthers but we take the Tea Party seriously. Zalatix Apr 2012 #23
No - I am laughing at the republicans trying to scare their audience with bogeymen. jillan Apr 2012 #32
So when did the NBP start running the democratic party? Lilyeye Apr 2012 #42
The original Black Panthers don't consider them legitimate. Arctic Dave Apr 2012 #7
whingers, not wingers. Zalatix Apr 2012 #24
It's the same reason we talk about Westboro Baptist, Terry Jones, and the Neo-Nazis RZM Apr 2012 #8
I think they turn them on somehow. They're obsessed with blacks 24/7. They have no lives. freshwest Apr 2012 #9
You've nailed it. They have a mental disease that I have long called NOB (Negroes On the Brain) Tom Ripley Apr 2012 #10
That sounds like it. They can't let a day go by without thinking about blacks. Every talk show nut, freshwest Apr 2012 #14
And if they lived in a world NOLALady Apr 2012 #11
Their heads would explode in my neighborhood. They wouldn't know who to turn on. freshwest Apr 2012 #16
They already turn on each other, constantly! Mopar151 Apr 2012 #48
Good point! treestar Apr 2012 #61
Maybe the weak white sauce O'Liely libodem Apr 2012 #15
I haven't watched those brownshirts in years, I hope they get run off the air. freshwest Apr 2012 #17
You and me both libodem Apr 2012 #21
Totally. Fox is obsessed with black people. It's really weird. limpyhobbler Apr 2012 #37
It's like they really want to be black, maybe? freshwest Apr 2012 #38
I think maybe they're just pandering to their racist viewers. limpyhobbler Apr 2012 #51
i thought for a minute you said 'in their beds' Sea-Dog Apr 2012 #62
I don't think the NBPP is legit. NOLALady Apr 2012 #12
I think it is a faked up front libodem Apr 2012 #19
Always seemed like a Breitbart/James O'Keefe type production to me emulatorloo Apr 2012 #26
They need a boogie man Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Apr 2012 #13
Bill Maher's New Rules on this was great. I'll try to recall Egalitarian Thug Apr 2012 #18
Funny guy libodem Apr 2012 #20
You nailed it. The photos were perfect, making it a really funny/true bit. Hoyt Apr 2012 #28
I loved it when he did his bit on Alinsky. jillan Apr 2012 #34
Lovely! janx Apr 2012 #22
There Is No New Black Panther Party: An Open Letter From the Dr. Huey P. Newton Foundation Brother Buzz Apr 2012 #25
This should be the final word to the FOX demagogues. Thanks. freshwest Apr 2012 #30
If Fox was fair and balanced, they would have had Bobby Seale speak eons ago Brother Buzz Apr 2012 #35
Well, he was way before their time. I think they believe history began in 1983 with Reagan. I was freshwest Apr 2012 #39
The Ford Theater bookstore rejected O'Reiley's book - lack of documentation and the factual errors Brother Buzz Apr 2012 #46
+ 1, (99%) Mc Mike Apr 2012 #45
I don't disagree but Elaine Brown played a part in it Brother Buzz Apr 2012 #47
True. I did read her book when it was released, but Mc Mike Apr 2012 #49
Interesting. HiPointDem Apr 2012 #50
one thread leads to another... HiPointDem Apr 2012 #52
It's been ~ 20 years since I read 'A Taste' Mc Mike Apr 2012 #56
how was he involved in motown? HiPointDem Apr 2012 #57
Sorry HPD, can't give you a link. Mc Mike Apr 2012 #58
thanks, interesting. HiPointDem Apr 2012 #59
You see, this all plays into the... tex-wyo-dem Apr 2012 #27
Thanks for posting this. Gurgen4 Apr 2012 #29
the New Black Panthers: two guys from Dallas. provis99 Apr 2012 #31
Exactly! jillan Apr 2012 #33
New Black Panthers are the Prescott Bush Nazi investments of the left Bucky Apr 2012 #36
NBP seem to be led by ex-Nation of Islam people, and their ideology is supposedly Ron karenga's -- HiPointDem Apr 2012 #40
+ 1 Thanks. NT Mc Mike Apr 2012 #44
I'm all for freedom of speech, but FNC ecstatic Apr 2012 #41
This must be their 'flavor of the week'... the BP are being mentioned secondwind Apr 2012 #43
Charlatan Tactics 101: Tell them what, deep down, they REALLY want to hear JHB Apr 2012 #53
They're racist assholes hifiguy Apr 2012 #55
because they're adorable bigtree Apr 2012 #60
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