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backscatter712

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32. The shuttle's always been a white elephant.
Fri Apr 13, 2012, 01:19 PM
Apr 2012

The concept was for a spaceship that could be turned around and reflown like an airliner. It never did do that - it was a ridiculous hangar queen.

It was way too big - the Air Force demanded a payload bay that could deploy their big heavy Keyhole spy satellites. Never did - after the Challenger explosion, the Air Force switched back to expendable launchers and never looked back.

It was ridiculously expensive, and there were too many safety issues (and NASA didn't help by slacking off on the safety every time Congress and the President sneezed at their budget - "We'll launch on time, sirs! No matter what!"

I'm amazed the Shuttle lasted as long as it did.

The future is capsules like Dragon.

I see the Falcon 9 as being something like a Model T - in a good way. The Model T was one of the first cars to get the benefits of mass production, so it was far cheaper than previous cars, accessible to the average guy for the first time, which was why it was so popular.

The Falcon 9 has a lot of new manufacturing techniques put into it that make it far easier and cheaper to manufacture than previous rockets, so costs have the potential to go way down if Elon Musk can get enough orders to do full-scale production.

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For real. nt onehandle Apr 2012 #1
comparing ouselves to low standards is our new ethic phantom power Apr 2012 #2
very well put n/t quinnox Apr 2012 #5
Yep, US just keeps a stock pile of bombs anymore and sees progress as dropping RKP5637 Apr 2012 #7
Boom, there it is. Starry Messenger Apr 2012 #13
It like this, we are so good at this, that we don't need to send rockets into space anymore liberal N proud Apr 2012 #3
ROFL ROFL ROFL ROFL snooper2 Apr 2012 #4
I'm "seriesly" embarrassed we no longer have a space shuttle program quinnox Apr 2012 #9
LOL nt newfie11 Apr 2012 #15
Why would you be embarrassed to not have something that killed two crews? joshcryer Apr 2012 #25
And in a bit of delicious irony, Bake Apr 2012 #39
Good point, I fixed it.. snooper2 Apr 2012 #41
Here's hoping SpaceX's Dragon does well on its upcoming flight. backscatter712 Apr 2012 #6
Did you see Elon Musk on TDS the other night? KamaAina Apr 2012 #10
Done what? sgsmith Apr 2012 #43
Not sure KamaAina Apr 2012 #45
Ahh, yes, I do believe you're correct. joshcryer Apr 2012 #50
That was in reference to successful reentry: joshcryer Apr 2012 #47
Yep, me too, realized it's April 30th. Annoyed because I took this week off. joshcryer Apr 2012 #24
We know how to do fail pintobean Apr 2012 #8
Hahaha wow.. Except for the PRIVATE citizens and businesses that are building DFab420 Apr 2012 #11
I, for one, am refraining from making fun of North Korea's epic fail. Nye Bevan Apr 2012 #12
It's not ironic. We've been there, done that. It is fine to mock them. eom yawnmaster Apr 2012 #14
we still have a ton of learning to do regarding space quinnox Apr 2012 #18
no, it's like a country abandoning a space shuttle program MisterP Apr 2012 #30
We know all there s to learn? nadinbrzezinski Apr 2012 #48
Time to move on beyond the shuttle program. There is still plenty to learn. yawnmaster Apr 2012 #66
Just because there's no shuttle program does not mean there is no space program... Richardo Apr 2012 #16
Thanks for the links. Yeah, we're ripping it up. joshcryer Apr 2012 #29
I love science but I don't care about leading the world in a space program arcane1 Apr 2012 #17
We're relieved. It's stress relaxation humor. aquart Apr 2012 #19
We don't have a crappy Pinto in the driveway, Codeine Apr 2012 #20
We also left our pintobean Apr 2012 #21
LOL snooper2 Apr 2012 #36
It's not just about a manned space program. It's not just about going back to the moon...... wandy Apr 2012 #22
exactly quinnox Apr 2012 #26
The Space Shuttle was a death trap. Killed two crews. joshcryer Apr 2012 #23
so we just give up then? quinnox Apr 2012 #27
Nope. We'll have manned crew in about 3-4 years tops. joshcryer Apr 2012 #31
The shuttle's always been a white elephant. backscatter712 Apr 2012 #32
I saw its last dozen launches. Would take off from work or stay up until the early morning. joshcryer Apr 2012 #35
The shuttle served it's purpose, a sad purpose but it served....... wandy Apr 2012 #44
Its greatest achievement was Hubble. Bar none. joshcryer Apr 2012 #51
Considering what one of the shuttles design points was..... wandy Apr 2012 #58
Can't disagree with you there. A pure product of the MIC. joshcryer Apr 2012 #60
Obama's Worst Decision Typical NYC Lib Apr 2012 #28
Detatching NASA from the MIC was the best move he ever made. Shameful that Congress overrode him... joshcryer Apr 2012 #38
Who are we "so behind...in space technology" Mosby Apr 2012 #33
Wow did that zinger hit it's mark!!! Rex Apr 2012 #34
What zinger? joshcryer Apr 2012 #37
Er...no he didn't. Rex Apr 2012 #40
I doubt the OP intended Space Shuttle and the Military Industrial Complex connection be pointed out. joshcryer Apr 2012 #42
lol, I'm happy with my thread quinnox Apr 2012 #46
Just looking for truth and honesty. joshcryer Apr 2012 #49
Okay I like that idea ie SpaceX and NK. Rex Apr 2012 #52
LOL sorry too much H&M. Rex Apr 2012 #53
heh, I know the feeling quinnox Apr 2012 #54
Sorry, also, I'm touchy on this issue because Obama was bashed with a talking point... joshcryer Apr 2012 #55
Scuttle the ISS?!!! Rex Apr 2012 #56
In 2015! joshcryer Apr 2012 #57
Did not know any of that, thanks! Rex Apr 2012 #59
Oh you have to see it! Truly! joshcryer Apr 2012 #61
We are supposed to have some crazy weather here this weekend Rex Apr 2012 #62
Oh you won't need binocs, and it might be moving too fast to see it with binocs! joshcryer Apr 2012 #64
The Shuttle program went longer than it was meant to go johnnie Apr 2012 #63
But we HAD one. Zax2me Apr 2012 #65
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