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hifiguy

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203. Oh, puh-leeeze.

Sat Sep 27, 2014, 02:29 PM

Sep 2014

I have no idea whether evolutionary psychology will stand up to scientific inquiry or not and i don't have a dog in the fight. It's an interesting theory and should be tested according to the scientific method. No scientist knows whether his or her theory will survive the scrutiny of the scientific method and be proven plausible or falsified untilthe process of experimentation and observation has been completed and the data analyzed within a proper methodology and subjected to peer review. It took a years before Einstein's Theory of General Relativity was proven correct by astronomical observations.

The point of an experiment or other controlled investigation is to discover more about the universe in which we live, and any scientist worth their salt knows that if you test a theory in accord with the scientific method and the hypothesis is proven true you learn something, and that it is disproved you also learn something. Good science is neutral because it doesn't give a shit about the outcome. The point of science is that anything proven contingently true OR disproved adds to the sum total of human knowledge, whih is the point of the entire enterprise.

When a phenomenon has existed for tens of thousands of years it just might be that it is an immutable part of human nature. Look at our closest cousins, the chimps and bonobos. The difference in the DNA of humans and them is LESS THAN ONE PERCENT. See http://news.sciencemag.org/plants-animals/2012/06/bonobos-join-chimps-closest-human-relatives. We are not so different from our ape cousins as we like to think we are when you get down to the genetic building blocks.

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Study: Men of All Ages Want Women in Their Mid-20s [View all] davidn3600 Sep 2014 OP

Like so many behaviors of men and women. sendero Sep 2014 #1

Yep! Exactly! n/t RKP5637 Sep 2014 #3

Is that why we kill and eat food with our bare hands? Starry Messenger Sep 2014 #4

Somebody... sendero Sep 2014 #7

Why don't women prefer younger men then? Starry Messenger Sep 2014 #9

Not really TransitJohn Sep 2014 #12

A mature man was much more likely to keel over dead kcr Sep 2014 #15

+1 Starry Messenger Sep 2014 #17

Lol TransitJohn Sep 2014 #87

What do you mean? kcr Sep 2014 #91

you know. this was my first "duh" calling out this crap. why the hell would i want an old man seabeyond Sep 2014 #97

Really. Imagine if we all decided to turn it around. kcr Sep 2014 #107

absolutely... seabeyond Sep 2014 #115

What do you mean, "if"? Jim Lane Sep 2014 #422

Lol King Leonidas of Sparta was age 50+ when he died. Katashi_itto Sep 2014 #449

Mature men became mature by being healthy and wealthy thousands of years ago NickB79 Sep 2014 #108

This is evo psyche we're talking about. Evolution doesn't happen over thousands of years. n/t kcr Sep 2014 #113

we are talking beginning of time. innate. no $$$. first crawling ashore. seabeyond Sep 2014 #117

And you can measure wealth without money NickB79 Sep 2014 #122

now we take today, and create it into story telling of the past, to make it into seabeyond Sep 2014 #123

+1 LiberalLoner Sep 2014 #179

Zero proof of any of those tendencies named treestar Sep 2014 #355

Healthy and wealthy? Who are you trying to kid? Warpy Sep 2014 #258

+1 and look at the Victorian years, when 25-26 would mean old maid treestar Sep 2014 #352

not to mention a good segment of our male society chants, once a girl hits puberty, free game. seabeyond Sep 2014 #356

26 is old maid in most of China AngryAmish Sep 2014 #415

That's the last year of the best childbearing years treestar Sep 2014 #428

So all we want is the money treestar Sep 2014 #338

you know, the average age difference between married couples is 2.3 yrs. lol seabeyond Sep 2014 #344

It is bullshit. SammyWinstonJack Sep 2014 #128

Older women may not be looking for that much sex. leftyladyfrommo Sep 2014 #29

There are studies that suggest otherwise actually. Starry Messenger Sep 2014 #35

I'm just going by how my friends feel about it. leftyladyfrommo Sep 2014 #38

+100 narnian60 Sep 2014 #162

I'm glad those days are over... PasadenaTrudy Sep 2014 #435

It really is, isn't it? leftyladyfrommo Sep 2014 #496

+1 n/t JTFrog Sep 2014 #45

Message auto-removed Name removed Sep 2014 #495

Because mature men have no material loss of fertility LittleBlue Sep 2014 #64

male sperm starts deteriorating at 24. it would behoove a woman to grab 24 and under. maybe risking seabeyond Sep 2014 #66

Right, scientifically we know that LittleBlue Sep 2014 #72

the way man manipulates in the name of science. for mans story telling as fact. science. lol seabeyond Sep 2014 #74

Man didn't consciously create these rules LittleBlue Sep 2014 #89

uh, ya. men did consciously create these rules. duh. lol. like we are doing in this very thread. seabeyond Sep 2014 #99

Question LittleBlue Sep 2014 #102

seriously? how about dominance and power and control. no questions asked cause god or seabeyond Sep 2014 #106

Men have always had control LittleBlue Sep 2014 #112

because they could kill them, if they did not buckle under. ya think? they cant now. all changes. seabeyond Sep 2014 #119

so you need youth qazplm Sep 2014 #116

no. you need the power of story telling. just like religion. seabeyond Sep 2014 #121

yes, this is what has happened. Men used religion to sell a bill of goods that the gods are men - Tuesday Afternoon Sep 2014 #238

IMO, the patriarchy won't crumble until the big three are gone. CrispyQ Sep 2014 #255

I would buy that book! Tuesday Afternoon Sep 2014 #259

Re: Studies jeff47 Sep 2014 #291

Thanks for that explanation, although CrispyQ Sep 2014 #293

The theory was menstruation couldn't possibly have an impact on anything jeff47 Sep 2014 #303

Exactly. Being aware that people are becoming less religious treestar Sep 2014 #319

i think it is so fuckin' in the face obvious. it really has me laughing. seabeyond Sep 2014 #321

Just come out and say it: all men are pieces of shit. joeglow3 Sep 2014 #262

That's not true! We're sorry. We'll stop. kcr Sep 2014 #266

Then, if it is not evolutionary, why is it universal across all cultures? joeglow3 Sep 2014 #273

Universal across all cultures (if true) does not mean evolutionary. kcr Sep 2014 #277

Can you name a single culture ever where this wasn't true? joeglow3 Sep 2014 #292

If it isn't the case? There are plenty of reasons why this could be true. kcr Sep 2014 #300

Yes. wickerwoman Sep 2014 #324

Maybe it's evolutionary but Shankapotomus Sep 2014 #295

put up a prime 25 yr old man and an average 40 yr old. are you really suggesting a seabeyond Sep 2014 #309

Are you suggesting age should be a primary consideration Shankapotomus Sep 2014 #336

i am saying it is story telling and i too can come up with a story. so do not tell me it is seabeyond Sep 2014 #339

Okay Shankapotomus Sep 2014 #346

i do not even know where to start... with this post. i ahve made so many statements thru out, seabeyond Sep 2014 #350

Actually I had read your previous posts Shankapotomus Sep 2014 #368

even if certain behavioral traits are reinforced by evolution, it's not the final story. seabeyond Sep 2014 #372

I'm certain you know Evolution is not a fable Shankapotomus Sep 2014 #379

i am supposed to like pink, per men, because women picked berries. i am suppose to want an old man seabeyond Sep 2014 #374

Actually evolutionary theory says Shankapotomus Sep 2014 #382

and a mere couple three decaes ago, that very argument is what helped to keep women seabeyond Sep 2014 #384

Evolution kept women imprisoned three decades ago? Shankapotomus Sep 2014 #387

the reasons for laws made to subjagate women, was that women biologically did not have seabeyond Sep 2014 #390

So you're not an advocate Shankapotomus Sep 2014 #393

i do not like, nor do i feel the validity of evo psychology. i think it is a flawed soft science. seabeyond Sep 2014 #398

My god Shankapotomus Sep 2014 #400

you totaly ignored all my points in your reply. i just realize. all the points defining seabeyond Sep 2014 #386

Okay Shankapotomus Sep 2014 #388

Okay so you might be evolutionarily predisposed Shankapotomus Sep 2014 #391

you miss the point. pink. society has decided pink is a girls color. in the past pink was a boys seabeyond Sep 2014 #394

Oh evolutionary psychologists Shankapotomus Sep 2014 #397

ok. well then, ignore my last post to you. nt seabeyond Sep 2014 #399

One question about learned behaviors vs. biological Generic Other Sep 2014 #463

It depended treestar Sep 2014 #465

Sorry for the delay in replying Shankapotomus Sep 2014 #475

I guess I was wondering Generic Other Sep 2014 #479

From what I've read Shankapotomus Sep 2014 #480

Yes they did treestar Sep 2014 #305

And yet it provided for the daughters Generic Other Sep 2014 #473

Luckily and thanks to feminism, we don't have to be "provided for" any more treestar Sep 2014 #487

The practice has not ended in Asia Generic Other Sep 2014 #490

i talked to an india woman who had arranged marriage. seabeyond Sep 2014 #491

I felt powerless Generic Other Sep 2014 #492

you have abusive parents, you have loving parents. seabeyond Sep 2014 #493

Who "forced" them on you? whathehell Sep 2014 #402

wealth and power are social, not biological treestar Sep 2014 #302

But they do have material loss of HEALTHY sperm cells. pnwmom Sep 2014 #486

It's not just "rare diseases." Aged sperm are at higher risk for producing mentally ill offspring. Ampersand Unicode Sep 2014 #501

An older man.. sendero Sep 2014 #136

not when he is dead cause the 19 yr old took him down, or an animal. nt seabeyond Sep 2014 #138

Why? Starry Messenger Sep 2014 #148

in long distant times, the mere fact that a male survived to hifiguy Sep 2014 #186

ah. the women want the old man cause he is wise, lol. as his days are counted? lol seabeyond Sep 2014 #188

I doubt considerations of wisdom had anything to do with it hifiguy Sep 2014 #218

even though scientists debunk evo psych. gotcha. seabeyond Sep 2014 #221

Link it. I'd like to read it hifiguy Sep 2014 #225

Much like the "scientists" who debunk global climate change. opiate69 Sep 2014 #414

It also indicated he wasn't long for the world compared to someone younger kcr Sep 2014 #323

we really do not know how it worked out. funny how male story telling shifted the fable seabeyond Sep 2014 #326

Yep. We really don't. kcr Sep 2014 #329

point. and it wont be glorifying make sexuality. ergo, it is irrelevant. like this is not obvious. seabeyond Sep 2014 #333

There's a purely biological reason why women would have less age preference than men. Xithras Sep 2014 #330

mens sperm starts degrading at 24. womens productive system starts in mid 30's. nt seabeyond Sep 2014 #337

Different types of degradation. Xithras Sep 2014 #370

defective sperm as in handicapped children. i am not gonna do the research, but read up on old sperm seabeyond Sep 2014 #377

That's not quite how it works Man from Pickens Sep 2014 #426

lower iq, autism, adhd, decreased fertility, genetic problems, miscarriage for the woman of any .... seabeyond Sep 2014 #432

schizophrenia also bettyellen Sep 2014 #437

yes. that went in genetic disorders. correct. nt seabeyond Sep 2014 #440

sticking point for me- everyone blamed Mom for my brother's "emotional" disease way back when bettyellen Sep 2014 #441

ya. that is not good. i hear ya. and everything wrong in that. seabeyond Sep 2014 #442

Nope, older men's sperm also increases chances of birth defects treestar Sep 2014 #343

Sperm degradation typically results in decreased motility. Xithras Sep 2014 #366

There's no way those stats, even if true, argue that women treestar Sep 2014 #369

I'm not talking about marriage. Xithras Sep 2014 #376

do i find a 25 yr old man attractive? well sure. if he wanted ot have sex with me, well sure, if seabeyond Sep 2014 #378

It is 100% choice, we are humans and we have brains treestar Sep 2014 #448

all the millions upon millions upon millions of women that have married poor, seabeyond Sep 2014 #453

True there are countless married poor men treestar Sep 2014 #464

So much wrong with this kcr Sep 2014 #345

They do treestar Sep 2014 #371

That's what humans did for about 99% of our evolutionary history davidn3600 Sep 2014 #10

Are we still in the stone age? Starry Messenger Sep 2014 #11

The human organism, TransitJohn Sep 2014 #14

This study used subjects from a dating website Starry Messenger Sep 2014 #16

+1 n/t JTFrog Sep 2014 #46

All salient points, but TransitJohn Sep 2014 #84

You seemed to be supporting the science in the OP. Starry Messenger Sep 2014 #88

I was clear. TransitJohn Sep 2014 #93

"I think you are confusing social interaction with biological evolution. Which is 'bad science.'' Starry Messenger Sep 2014 #96

Post removed Post removed Sep 2014 #105

all the men, having mid life crisis, fucking up their life, cause they cannot let go of youth. seabeyond Sep 2014 #109

There's no fool like an old fool! Lol, a dating website, probably a bunch of old guys who are sabrina 1 Sep 2014 #144

"His bubblegum phony pop psych is his hallmark. I'm embarrassed for him. " We will have to be bettyellen Sep 2014 #246

wonder why the post you responded to here was Hidden JI7 Sep 2014 #360

Ageism and sexism used to be regularly dismissed on DU MerryBlooms Sep 2014 #395

+1 LiberalLoner Sep 2014 #180

true, thinking you can order up a human body for your use treestar Sep 2014 #306

No, we just kill with greater efficiency now. Ilsa Sep 2014 #22

Fast-Evolving Brains Helped Humans out of the Stone Age Starry Messenger Sep 2014 #31

evolution told us, women were emotional and incapable of taking care of self. 4 decades, we speed seabeyond Sep 2014 #41

I just read a BBC article that said 30% of older women date younger men. Starry Messenger Sep 2014 #62

and that will probably end up about the same as for men. why? because women can now do it. seabeyond Sep 2014 #68

Yep, the more financially independent women become, whathehell Sep 2014 #69

Good analysis, reference. I'll definitely Ilsa Sep 2014 #103

or. i am getting old, i need youth to make me feel young again. either way. lol. nt seabeyond Sep 2014 #125

+100 Starry Messenger Sep 2014 #132

Actually I do that. I did it again today. Jackpine Radical Sep 2014 #420

Of course, and this... TreasonousBastard Sep 2014 #24

this is used as a religion in the name of science to dominate and control, no different than seabeyond Sep 2014 #30

Don't be silly... TreasonousBastard Sep 2014 #49

if i, along with real scientists, argue this bogus garbage, we have a problem with science. seabeyond Sep 2014 #50

Personally, I don't differentiate the gender of... TreasonousBastard Sep 2014 #57

yet, i do not see you adn other men address your disagreements with men as ... silly. seabeyond Sep 2014 #61

btw. that would be the very silent conditioning we do of the sexes, that allow results like these seabeyond Sep 2014 #63

I have, but I'm not going to dredge up old posts to prove it. TreasonousBastard Sep 2014 #77

well. unless i see, i am not buying. it is not a norm. something we do. we have created silly... seabeyond Sep 2014 #86

See post 31. Starry Messenger Sep 2014 #33

I saw it, and... TreasonousBastard Sep 2014 #52

This is the original topic. Starry Messenger Sep 2014 #59

Nobody's made a definitive list."" (but rarely prove) anything you want." seabeyond Sep 2014 #60

There is a certain breed of lefty that is as implacably anti-science hifiguy Sep 2014 #249

Um, some of us tend to "evolve" beyond basic biological instincts, but whathehell Sep 2014 #58

this is not even about biological instincts. it is all about creating a religion, in the name of seabeyond Sep 2014 #71

Amazing how the same men defend their need to embody stone age biological imperatives Starry Messenger Sep 2014 #98

my mouth drops open and hangs... lol. and this is it. absolufugginlutely. seabeyond Sep 2014 #100

It's all about Darwinian Evolution hifiguy Sep 2014 #181

as i said, a new religion for men in the name of science to dominate and control, patriarchy. seabeyond Sep 2014 #184

Oh, puh-leeeze. hifiguy Sep 2014 #203

the scientific community has already well debunked it. you are behind the eight ball. nt seabeyond Sep 2014 #208

Hardly. All I said was that it should be investigated. hifiguy Sep 2014 #220

Does evolutionary psychology have any problems? seabeyond Sep 2014 #226

OK, that is a real link and I will read the article. hifiguy Sep 2014 #229

That entire article is a list of problems to be addressed hifiguy Sep 2014 #242

It calls for a more rigorous science kcr Sep 2014 #245

Your subject line is exactly what I was trying to say the article said. hifiguy Sep 2014 #256

Some scientists actually do reject it kcr Sep 2014 #257

I'm glad I waited to reply jen63 Sep 2014 #396

The author of that particular piece Sea posted.... opiate69 Sep 2014 #416

Evolutionary biologist! Really!? kcr Sep 2014 #418

My mistake... Evolutionary Psychologist. Theoretical Biologist opiate69 Sep 2014 #421

Those behaviors can be overruled by the mind (nt) Shankapotomus Sep 2014 #250

This survey.. sendero Sep 2014 #362

which would not have to do with beginning of time, but the time man created law where woman are seabeyond Sep 2014 #365

+1 LostInAnomie Sep 2014 #340

Precisely malaise Sep 2014 #375

We're "advanced?" MoonRiver Sep 2014 #438

Now there's a representative sample - Finns on OKCupid!: aikoaiko Sep 2014 #2

Duh... Oktober Sep 2014 #5

"Women�s and Men�s Sexual Preferences and Activities with Respect to the Partner�s Age: ..." Cerridwen Sep 2014 #6

I just wanted you to know I read your post. Starry Messenger Sep 2014 #85

Thank you. Cerridwen Sep 2014 #373

i read it. i just feel men are conditioned into fantasy for the ideal partner and women live in the seabeyond Sep 2014 #381

Both genders seem to think the other has unrealistic expectations davidn3600 Sep 2014 #392

wrong. a woman want man her age. per study, man does not want same. wants the young woman. a woman seabeyond Sep 2014 #403

Women have different expectations of men...that's what Im saying davidn3600 Sep 2014 #408

actually that is another one of those myths men have hung onto. women are more visually cued seabeyond Sep 2014 #412

why would evolution happen to favor either sex? treestar Sep 2014 #468

I always liked women in their mid 30's. B Calm Sep 2014 #8

NS, S. Delusion reigns supreme. WinkyDink Sep 2014 #13

ah, took me a second ... lol Tuesday Afternoon Sep 2014 #251

I've been sexually active for 45 years... Johnyawl Sep 2014 #18

so a man any age wants 20 something. the 20 something want only the 20 something. so.... man seabeyond Sep 2014 #19

Correct...As a hot young 20-something, I had middle and old aged guys hit on me all the time and whathehell Sep 2014 #90

19. i had to decide consciously, how i wanted to walk my sexuality in life. seabeyond Sep 2014 #104

Not this 53 y.o. dotymed Sep 2014 #20

I guess maybe thats why I like my 61 dang near 62 year old sweetheart wife madokie Sep 2014 #21

Yeah I'm sure this has nothing to do with gollygee Sep 2014 #23

who doesnt appreciate young and healthy. the difference is those that live in reality and those seabeyond Sep 2014 #32

As my daughter gets older... NaturalHigh Sep 2014 #25

This is true for me as a mother/grandmother as well. logosoco Sep 2014 #43

personally, i feel that is the more natural way we evolve as we age. i know it is the same seabeyond Sep 2014 #47

Man! I gotta get me some study money! (n/t) Iggo Sep 2014 #26

^^best post in this thread^^ irisblue Sep 2014 #192

I keep telling people this. Women and men. Especially women. Triana Sep 2014 #27

Glad I never took your advice, 'cause I dated, married, and gave birth after 35. winter is coming Sep 2014 #56

That's not common though, as I understand it. Triana Sep 2014 #80

I met my husband at 36 JustAnotherGen Sep 2014 #451

Wow. I believe a person of any age if she/he so chooses, can find love and companionship. oregonjen Sep 2014 #65

Or a big dose of reality. nt LWolf Sep 2014 #410

+1 Triana Sep 2014 #425

I got married at 48 Le Taz Hot Sep 2014 #130

Of course. The problem MUST be me. Triana Sep 2014 #233

Nobody's "sneering" at you. Le Taz Hot Sep 2014 #247

It is though treestar Sep 2014 #311

I feel sorry for you. Not sure what your personal experiences are... Avalux Sep 2014 #140

it is a society, like this study, with the intent to throw away older women. seabeyond Sep 2014 #142

The post was presented as personal opinion, advice. Avalux Sep 2014 #146

i agree totally, and i do not stay queit either. man, does not ge to define me. man.... seabeyond Sep 2014 #152

I didn't create the destroyed/destructive world we live in. Triana Sep 2014 #219

Sentenced? Wow. Avalux Sep 2014 #278

I don't believe it treestar Sep 2014 #314

a lot of peope are into sports, facebook etc which i never got into, do you live life by following JI7 Sep 2014 #342

speak for yourself JI7 Sep 2014 #209

I do. Thankyouverymuch. And I won't apologize for that. n/t Triana Sep 2014 #222

why would a guy even want a woman to do that ? JI7 Sep 2014 #231

whether you know it or not, a great many men expect it. Triana Sep 2014 #237

my point is why would someone want it JI7 Sep 2014 #243

I agree with you there. That's been my experience and my observation. raccoon Sep 2014 #315

Miley Cyrus shared the same "wisdom" recently. Was probably mollied out, so you know... bettyellen Sep 2014 #261

Damn, guess I have to divorce my wife jeff47 Sep 2014 #299

you know what is the intent of these kinds of articles/alleged studies treestar Sep 2014 #317

tree, all my sexual life, men have defined my sexuality. at 20 i was suppose to want the 40 yr old seabeyond Sep 2014 #325

Same here, sea, I must be of similar age treestar Sep 2014 #334

Not really. Finding someone sexually attractive is only part of what makes them attractive overall. jeff47 Sep 2014 #348

i think the point is, youth is attractive. that simple. seabeyond Sep 2014 #353

Again, sexually attractive is only one part of attractive. jeff47 Sep 2014 #367

my point is simple. YOUTH is attractive. seabeyond Sep 2014 #383

Thanks for the info LadyHawkAZ Sep 2014 #380

Are you kidding? whathehell Sep 2014 #423

Hooray evo psych argle bargle! NuclearDem Sep 2014 #28

ya know. it never ends. gotta get that toe in control and dominance at all cost. nt seabeyond Sep 2014 #34

BRB Saber Cat Hunting chrisa Sep 2014 #39

I heard this the other day and my reaction leftyladyfrommo Sep 2014 #36

Needs to be repeated: Reasoning > Biological Instinct chrisa Sep 2014 #37

That's kind of an important thing to consider. leftyladyfrommo Sep 2014 #42

and that is a whole point we havent addressed. single from dating sight? seabeyond Sep 2014 #44

Bingo. Starry Messenger Sep 2014 #94

Yeah, the OKCupid part is really crappy science jeff47 Sep 2014 #307

mid-30s wyldwolf Sep 2014 #40

They plan to study same-sex age preferences next marle35 Sep 2014 #48

I expect biology is at play here, but so are media ideals. Marr Sep 2014 #51

Yay! Another devisive, War of the Sexes thread based on horny fuckers' ChisolmTrailDem Sep 2014 #53

Amusing watching people fight this. It's pretty simple- fertility rules all LittleBlue Sep 2014 #54

It would be pretty simple, and make sense, if only 20 something year old women were fertile kcr Sep 2014 #67

We can scientifically measure fertility LittleBlue Sep 2014 #70

This message was self-deleted by its author kcr Sep 2014 #73

That doesn't mean that the 13-year-old's LittleBlue Sep 2014 #76

What evidence do you have that maternal survival was a factor in mate selection? kcr Sep 2014 #79

"Many women"? No. LittleBlue Sep 2014 #133

That's not evidence kcr Sep 2014 #139

Women hit their fertility peak in their early to mid-20s LittleBlue Sep 2014 #145

Do you realize that evolution happens over hundreds of thousands to millions of years? kcr Sep 2014 #149

Evo psyche explains too much to be discounted LittleBlue Sep 2014 #150

No, it doesn't kcr Sep 2014 #153

In what era of history have young women not been preferred? LittleBlue Sep 2014 #156

Aren't you proving my point if that is the case? kcr Sep 2014 #158

No, because you can't show me one culture that doesn't prefer young women LittleBlue Sep 2014 #160

No one is asserting that older women are or have ever been preferred over younger women kcr Sep 2014 #161

It can't be cultural if it's universal LittleBlue Sep 2014 #164

The claim that it is universal is spurious kcr Sep 2014 #165

Then find an example where it isn't LittleBlue Sep 2014 #168

But again. That would be culture. Not biology. Do you not see the difference? kcr Sep 2014 #169

I'll try this analogy kcr Sep 2014 #163

It's not social if every culture does it LittleBlue Sep 2014 #166

Every culture does it means it's not social? Really? kcr Sep 2014 #167

YES! LittleBlue Sep 2014 #171

NO! kcr Sep 2014 #172

Sorry, you can't even show me one instance of what you're saying LittleBlue Sep 2014 #173

Oh, really? No man ever dates, mates and has relationships with older women? Never happens? kcr Sep 2014 #174

Of course they do LittleBlue Sep 2014 #177

You are misunderstanding what evolution is kcr Sep 2014 #178

Yes it is LittleBlue Sep 2014 #183

They just aren't as sexualized as often. Exactly. kcr Sep 2014 #185

No. I think it's a product of evolutionary preference LittleBlue Sep 2014 #189

You do. With absolutely no evidence and a misunderstanding of what evolution is kcr Sep 2014 #191

HOW? LittleBlue Sep 2014 #198

The trait exists all around you. You admitted to it yourself, dude! kcr Sep 2014 #199

What did I admit myself? LittleBlue Sep 2014 #207

That you find older women attractive. kcr Sep 2014 #212

Holy s*** dude LittleBlue Sep 2014 #217

I think I understand it quite a bit better than you understand the concept of biology n/t kcr Sep 2014 #224

There you go, being unreasonable and asking for hifiguy Sep 2014 #269

every culture use to say women did not have the capacity to take care of ourselves. once laws were seabeyond Sep 2014 #170

Not true LittleBlue Sep 2014 #175

and not all men want the twenty yr old and the number of women wanting 20 yr old is growing. seabeyond Sep 2014 #187

Then prove it by giving me a culture that doesn't prefer young women LittleBlue Sep 2014 #190

Do you think war is a biological imperitive and therefore nothing can be done about it? kcr Sep 2014 #197

War is the result of many things LittleBlue Sep 2014 #200

Oh, of course, well, THAT is complicated. kcr Sep 2014 #211

that is why i do not even bother here. all the contradictions ignored. seabeyond Sep 2014 #213

It's fun though. kcr Sep 2014 #215

50 posts on this thread is not bothering? nt Union Scribe Sep 2014 #264

Do you like, go around, and count her posts like that? bravenak Sep 2014 #301

ha ha. actualy, didnt even take note of that post. i mostly ignore him. YOU, seabeyond Sep 2014 #313

I'm glad you can find it funny. bravenak Sep 2014 #322

How can you compare a state's decision to go to war LittleBlue Sep 2014 #214

I know. Daring to question men's sexual preferences and how they come to be is risky. kcr Sep 2014 #223

What are you questioning? LittleBlue Sep 2014 #227

What do you mean, what am I questioning? kcr Sep 2014 #228

You compared war to sexual preference LittleBlue Sep 2014 #232

Nooooo, I didn't kcr Sep 2014 #235

Your argument actually went farther proving my point LittleBlue Sep 2014 #236

If these were innately biological we would have little to no social progress kcr Sep 2014 #240

There are biological differences between the ethnicities LittleBlue Sep 2014 #252

I apologize. I wasn't clear. kcr Sep 2014 #254

those are not biological differences treestar Sep 2014 #328

You sound like one of those 'cure the gays' people Union Scribe Sep 2014 #268

No. Not what I'm saying at all. kcr Sep 2014 #270

It's coming from your awful arguments about the "preference" Union Scribe Sep 2014 #275

No. It's coming from awful distortions of my arguments. kcr Sep 2014 #279

No, you're *denying* that attraction is biological. Union Scribe Sep 2014 #283

What I'm denying is that the notion that older women are non-sexual beings kcr Sep 2014 #286

Wait a minute. Are you claiming that it's never okay to question whether anyhing is innate? kcr Sep 2014 #282

I'm pretty sure you don't even know what you're arguing Union Scribe Sep 2014 #285

Okay. I'll let you carry on with some of the worst distortion and conflating kcr Sep 2014 #288

For those who don't know who Margaret Beaufort was Lydia Leftcoast Sep 2014 #498

!! leftstreet Sep 2014 #78

Most women weren't fertile at 13 thousands of years ago NickB79 Sep 2014 #118

and today, a girl having a baby is the same risk of a woman over 36. seabeyond Sep 2014 #127

So does that mean men haven't evolved? leftstreet Sep 2014 #129

fertilize everything comes from religion, and science adopted. i can argue seabeyond Sep 2014 #131

My point is the same. I doubt the age was 25. kcr Sep 2014 #134

the whole argument is cavemen is so fuggin innately perceptive, that they would fine the mate that seabeyond Sep 2014 #126

the perverts use the same claim on wanting the 10, 11, 14 yr old. ya know. seabeyond Sep 2014 #81

oh. i am being amusing. or is that silly. me. nt seabeyond Sep 2014 #83

I'm aware LittleBlue Sep 2014 #95

And women of all ages don't want those men. nt Zorra Sep 2014 #55

If they're smart, they don't! n/t Triana Sep 2014 #82

+1999999999999999999999999 nt treestar Sep 2014 #298

Lucille was fifty...and I was nineteen... DreamGypsy Sep 2014 #75

the younger the gal, the fewer men she can compare him to Skittles Sep 2014 #92

that is so fuggin what it is. lol. also, another i see, they are not experienced enough to call seabeyond Sep 2014 #135

That is exactly what this is about. KitSileya Sep 2014 #241

I read that in some feminist tract years ago treestar Sep 2014 #484

Nice to look at - But what do you do in the morning FreakinDJ Sep 2014 #101

Who's buying all that MILF porn then? LeftyMom Sep 2014 #110

you know. some pimply ass kid aving the audacity to get all up in my face and telling me seabeyond Sep 2014 #141

When I was in Iraq JonLP24 Sep 2014 #272

all about denigrating women, even in iraq. even if it is a punk ass kid, denigrating a grown women. seabeyond Sep 2014 #316

He was a grown man JonLP24 Sep 2014 #318

i watched an OP on an org with milf talking about a member that die, have a bunch of grown men seabeyond Sep 2014 #331

this OP created a thread, that is just priceless to me. i thank you. i have to get busy with life, seabeyond Sep 2014 #111

Nobody has the right to police who anyone else is attracted to. PERIOD. AngryAmish Sep 2014 #114

who is policing? it does matter when men tell us it is innate and to buy into bullshit. seabeyond Sep 2014 #143

I can't help but notice kcr Sep 2014 #151

more. demanding we allow them to define my sexuality, experience in life, in the name of science. nt seabeyond Sep 2014 #154

laughing at this bullshit study is not policing. It's fucking OK Cupid, not rocket science. bettyellen Sep 2014 #265

The study was financed by the Finnish government. davidn3600 Sep 2014 #357

You forgot pedophiles treestar Sep 2014 #485

I think that it is a biological thing. Marrah_G Sep 2014 #120

OK Cupid? ismnotwasm Sep 2014 #124

"The findings are similar to data culled from the dating website OKCupid" Union Scribe Sep 2014 #280

I'm surprised with myself for being surprised by this Tom Rinaldo Sep 2014 #137

these are the men having mid life crisis, not able to give up youth, willing ot destroy family seabeyond Sep 2014 #155

Seabeyond, are you honestly saying a middle aged man should not.... Logical Sep 2014 #176

Logical? Are you honestly saying men should not find older women attractive? kcr Sep 2014 #182

I find women of all ages attractive. And enjoy their company much more than I would.... Logical Sep 2014 #196

No one is saying noticing physical attractiveness is evil. kcr Sep 2014 #201

Everybody finds younger people attractive in this society treestar Sep 2014 #349

Does that work for the older men that find younger women attractive? The2ndWheel Sep 2014 #202

Well, if they can't find a 20 year old who's willing, guess they're out of luck. kcr Sep 2014 #205

If older women aren't preferred for some reason The2ndWheel Sep 2014 #271

How do we go from older men not being able to find 20 year olds kcr Sep 2014 #274

You said those older men are out of luck if they can't find a willing 20 year old The2ndWheel Sep 2014 #287

Who said no one wants old men? That's not what you or anyone else said. kcr Sep 2014 #289

Right, they're out of luck if they want but can't get the 20 year old The2ndWheel Sep 2014 #297

There is a difference between someone being alone because they have narrow standards kcr Sep 2014 #304

Which of course works for both women and men The2ndWheel Sep 2014 #332

Well, yes, if a woman has narrow standards kcr Sep 2014 #335

if that is going to be your choice, then i would suggest take up whittlin' and walk the dog. seabeyond Sep 2014 #206

So now the study is right? The2ndWheel Sep 2014 #244

Did you miss the first word in her post- IF? bettyellen Sep 2014 #267

She went back to the study to affirm her hypothesis The2ndWheel Sep 2014 #284

youth is attractive for all of us. no special there. specifically with the post you replied to, seabeyond Sep 2014 #195

I agree with you on that 100%...... Logical Sep 2014 #204

simply, i have yet gotten to a point where i am ignored as a sexual human being. i do not appreciate seabeyond Sep 2014 #216

I doubt any women at this point think I am sexy. But I do not mind them thinking other men are. nt Logical Sep 2014 #351

i really do not get your point. nt seabeyond Sep 2014 #358

The "OKCupid" men are. The other study wasn't all men looking for dates.(nt) jeff47 Sep 2014 #310

I only saw the three paragraphs above @ Time.com, no details of the Finnish study bettyellen Sep 2014 #439

It's post #6 in this thread. (nt) jeff47 Sep 2014 #446

thanks- am laughing at the old "men are more visually cued" bullshit- It's embarrassing that anyone bettyellen Sep 2014 #456

So if a 40 year old man and a 24 year old woman fall in love... davidn3600 Sep 2014 #364

Does she really love him? treestar Sep 2014 #483

That also would have been my guess. stevenleser Sep 2014 #157

And the reverse as well kcr Sep 2014 #389

That was true for me up to the age of maybe 40 tularetom Sep 2014 #147

Guess it's time for this lively little old lady to learn how to knit. In_The_Wind Sep 2014 #159

Not me. Women in their 20's scare me. GoneOffShore Sep 2014 #193

Good luck with that. nt daredtowork Sep 2014 #194

I still want to have kids, so I am forced to keep my options open. tridim Sep 2014 #210

While I agree with those who say it is biology, I don't see any reason we can't try to liberal_at_heart Sep 2014 #230

What the survery doesn't say - when asked, men don't really want to MARRY them.....just FUCK them Baclava Sep 2014 #234

Yeah, the survey left out a shitload of stuff, like merrily Sep 2014 #248

give me a couple mil in grant money and I'll find out why 20 y/o women prefer men worth billions Baclava Sep 2014 #253

Cause they don't know shit from shinola about anything. merrily Sep 2014 #281

Really? If you ask a 70 year old woman who she would rather have merrily Sep 2014 #239

I'm 41, wife is 28. Puzzledtraveller Sep 2014 #260

Same with me JonLP24 Sep 2014 #263

Incorrect: Most men like OLDER women. Older men who like women in their 20's never really matured. TheBlackAdder Sep 2014 #276

Well, apparently not only is this not the case, but now I'm being compared to a homophobe kcr Sep 2014 #290

I find it interesting that the people giving men the least credit LeftyMom Sep 2014 #294

Yes. This same argument in a different context, and cue the whining about male bashing. kcr Sep 2014 #312

ah, but this study is sexually empowering and bolstering for men. hence, it is a win. regardless seabeyond Sep 2014 #320

But you can't argue with science! kcr Sep 2014 #341

it is a trip. nt seabeyond Sep 2014 #347

i have seen this a few times where some criticism of some hetero male weirdness is compared JI7 Sep 2014 #354

I know kcr Sep 2014 #361

I'm sorry, I'm not sure I am following your reply. TheBlackAdder Sep 2014 #450

excellent post. seabeyond Sep 2014 #454

Bullshit Reter Sep 2014 #467

Is that a 'floppy' you have there when responding to a sexual attractiveness thread? nt TheBlackAdder Sep 2014 #502

lol that is not going to work out for most of them treestar Sep 2014 #296

This thread didn't disappoint. n/t flvegan Sep 2014 #308

Nope... trumad Sep 2014 #327

The OP has proven he has issues with women. Getting tired of him taking his seaglass Sep 2014 #444

many many threads by this guy with the same type if meme trumad Sep 2014 #445

I guess I buck the trend... awoke_in_2003 Sep 2014 #359

While true, I find older women just as attractive as I age. liberal N proud Sep 2014 #363

Confrims one thing: Men of all ages are stupid. JDPriestly Sep 2014 #385

You know what's even greater? ProudToBeBlueInRhody Sep 2014 #401

I write from the vantage point of 51 years of marriage. JDPriestly Sep 2014 #413

If that were the consideration treestar Sep 2014 #431

Depends who you fall in love with PasadenaTrudy Sep 2014 #436

Like comedian "Moms Mabley" said . . . another_liberal Sep 2014 #404

OKCupid? MadrasT Sep 2014 #405

IKR! Tuesday Afternoon Sep 2014 #457

i like ikr. i had to look it up. that is a good one. thanks. nt seabeyond Sep 2014 #458

saw another good one the other day ... {Ns,S} ... loved it, too :D Tuesday Afternoon Sep 2014 #460

i saw you liked that one. seabeyond Sep 2014 #461

{No shit, Sherlock}. I got it right away because that used to me one of my favorite come backs. Tuesday Afternoon Sep 2014 #462

lol seabeyond Sep 2014 #471

I'm 47. I think having sex with some 25 year old would be, well, kinda weird. Throd Sep 2014 #406

i fgure the range of 5 yrs, plus or minus is our age. mostly. we cant really hit on bdays, lol seabeyond Sep 2014 #407

Women of all ages ... JEFF9K Sep 2014 #409

Oh, boy! Now, youre in for it. LostInAnomie Sep 2014 #411

Gender roles are very persistent davidn3600 Sep 2014 #417

Anyone ever think to ask the men? treestar Sep 2014 #430

Men are FAR more flexible with that davidn3600 Sep 2014 #443

Men become unemployed after they get married treestar Sep 2014 #447

That's exactly what I said davidn3600 Sep 2014 #469

There's been a huge amount of change since the early 70s treestar Sep 2014 #470

Not really treestar Sep 2014 #429

Maybe that's just the case with you and your friends. Starry Messenger Sep 2014 #477

Post removed Post removed Sep 2014 #419

As a bisexual woman, I am ashamed to say, marym625 Sep 2014 #424

I don't. nt bemildred Sep 2014 #427

This brings to mind the "Princeton mom," who everyone criticizes ecstatic Sep 2014 #433

Lol PasadenaTrudy Sep 2014 #434

I think it is true paramajitinajar99 Sep 2014 #452

Welcome to DU awoke_in_2003 Sep 2014 #474

Ironically, Bob Dylan(!) was the First to Rec this thread ... Tuesday Afternoon Sep 2014 #455

People also lie their asses off on dating websites. alarimer Sep 2014 #459

Sounds right to me Reter Sep 2014 #466

Every man would be Sonny Bono treestar Sep 2014 #472

475 replies, 8345 views, 10 Recommends tecelote Sep 2014 #476

That took a study????? nt valerief Sep 2014 #478

I have to say, studies have proven men actually want... TheVisitor Sep 2014 #481

It's so gross to think of my 14 year old self treestar Sep 2014 #482

there is nothing to suggest it is "natural" and that they cannot help themselves. seabeyond Sep 2014 #488

A 20-year old woman is not necessarily better able to bear children than a 13-year-old. Manifestor_of_Light Sep 2014 #489

Yup, we like evolution science when it's used to mock fundies Dreamer Tatum Sep 2014 #494

yes. we call creationism what it is. storytelling. we are just clever enough to see the story tellin seabeyond Sep 2014 #499

This message was self-deleted by its author badtoworse Sep 2014 #497

"Evo-Psych crap has validated my stupidity! I've never felt more enabled to be Creepy Old Guy!" LanternWaste Sep 2014 #500