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Rex

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85. You've been on the fence since the beginning of this

Reply to Snake Alchemist (Original post)

Fri Apr 13, 2012, 02:55 PM

Apr 2012

no reason to change now. I don't mean that as an insult, I admire you unwillingness to bend to public opinion.

I don't really know- if there is no conviction then where is the justice for the dead kid? If there is a conviction, was justice really served or was Zimm used as a 'sacrificial lamb'. IMO, there are many many people personally involved in this and could face possible convictions themselves if it comes to light that the PD was involved in a cover-up.

My personal feelings on this case are that justice will not be served or if it is, then probably bare minimum justice while maybe some of the other collaborators go scott free.

So no...no matter what happens I do not think justice will be fully served in this case. Too many things have happened that are abnormal in what was police procedure on that day.

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Will justice only be served if George Zimmerman is convicted? [View all] Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 OP

The whole thing has already been prejudged. dkf Apr 2012 #1

That will definitely be a key finding. nt Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #4

I agree completely! HIMYM Apr 2012 #99

Has Fox News convicted Zimmerman? nt greyl Apr 2012 #107

Since I am finding it extremely difficult to get the facts in this case rock Apr 2012 #2

Blackstone: Better 10 guilty go free than one innocent suffer ProgressiveProfessor Apr 2012 #3

It's based on his state of mind. dkf Apr 2012 #6

With the stand your ground law, he might be really not guilty. LiberalArkie Apr 2012 #5

Good point treestar Apr 2012 #7

How difficult should it be to claim self-defense? Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #8

Many states - it is an affirmative defense treestar Apr 2012 #120

My understanding of the law is that you can arthritisR_US Apr 2012 #30

I thought it meant though you could retreat, you don't have to treestar Apr 2012 #121

I may be wrong but I thought it only arthritisR_US Apr 2012 #122

It will be a step in the right direction BklnDem75 Apr 2012 #9

so regardless of what comes out in trial, you've Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #12

Yes BklnDem75 Apr 2012 #14

glad you are that confident. nt Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #21

Practice makes perfect BklnDem75 Apr 2012 #25

What about Casey Anthony, OJ, Duke Lacrosse, Reginald Denny? Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #40

There was no verdict in the Duke case because NoGOPZone Apr 2012 #42

Very true. But many were convinced of their guilt early on. nt Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #44

Those cases makes my point more, don't you think? BklnDem75 Apr 2012 #45

No. nt Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #46

So you believe justice was served in those cases? BklnDem75 Apr 2012 #50

Maybe. Hopefully, the jurors made the decision they thought was best. nt Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #51

Seriously? Caylee Anthony had justice with that verdict? BklnDem75 Apr 2012 #56

So you're sure she did not? nt Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #59

Once again, yes BklnDem75 Apr 2012 #60

Glad to know that you are better informed than many juries. You should sell your services. nt Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #61

Your mistake is thinking jurors are more informed simply because they're jurors BklnDem75 Apr 2012 #65

No. But I do believe they may be more informed than joe sixpack off the street. Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #67

Have you ever been a part of a jury pool? BklnDem75 Apr 2012 #69

yes. the media often is inaccurate. especially initially. nt Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #82

I was referring to live coverage, not speculation. BklnDem75 Apr 2012 #91

There was live coverage of the shooting? Then it should be a quick decision by the jury. nt Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #92

Mind sticking to the subject? BklnDem75 Apr 2012 #93

You said there was live coverage, no? nt Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #94

Of court cases, remember? BklnDem75 Apr 2012 #97

Oh, then I agree that if someone watches 100% of the live coverage and reviews 100% of the evidence Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #100

You're welcome BklnDem75 Apr 2012 #103

Wait, are you going to buy me a 4 million dollar ring? nt Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #104

I'm pretty confident myself WeekendWarrior Apr 2012 #27

Surprisingly, you are allowed to follow people. nt Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #34

I think if the police tell you not to and you're carrying a gun WeekendWarrior Apr 2012 #41

Does not mean you cannot do it though. Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #43

You're right, he doesn't have to, but WeekendWarrior Apr 2012 #53

In your mind? Hopefully, the trial will leave little room for doubt in whichever direction it takes Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #55

You're Kidding, Right? WeekendWarrior Apr 2012 #62

Confronting him? Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #63

Yes, and they sometimes get it wrong WeekendWarrior Apr 2012 #64

Hopefully, all evidence will be reviewed and the right verdict will be reached. Whatever that Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #66

I agree. And in my opinion WeekendWarrior Apr 2012 #108

I am, too. H2O Man Apr 2012 #127

Of course SaltyBro Apr 2012 #10

why do we even need a trial? nt Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #13

because that is how our country works SaltyBro Apr 2012 #17

But if we already know the correct verdict than maybe it is a waste of time. nt Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #35

Please stop it Becka2515 Apr 2012 #20

The poster didn't mention M1 obamanut2012 Apr 2012 #33

The post i replied too Becka2515 Apr 2012 #79

Justice will be served... HooptieWagon Apr 2012 #11

Barring some heretofore unknown, definitively exculpatory, evidence, yes. n/t Egalitarian Thug Apr 2012 #15

Probably a dumb question at this point, but was an autopsy performed on Trayvon? Lex Apr 2012 #16

The autopsy should answer many questions. OneGrassRoot Apr 2012 #22

Yes, the autopsy results will be key then. Lex Apr 2012 #26

Exactly. n/t OneGrassRoot Apr 2012 #28

I was thinking the same thing obamanut2012 Apr 2012 #36

The affidavit the prosecution filed during yesterday's hearing NoGOPZone Apr 2012 #38

In the Special Prosecutor's Affadavit of Probable Cause Trayvon was shot in the chest csziggy Apr 2012 #77

Of course not leftynyc Apr 2012 #18

Check out some of the posts above ours and you will see some will only be satisfied with one Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #37

Then some people are not interested in justice leftynyc Apr 2012 #47

People walk all the time for crimes they have committed RZM Apr 2012 #19

Most DUers wanted the victim to have a day in court Johonny Apr 2012 #23

The goalpost seems to be moving Life Long Dem Apr 2012 #24

Justice will be served when we know the facts of this case Skip_In_Boulder Apr 2012 #29

I think that's obvious. Marr Apr 2012 #31

Chased? Maybe. nt Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #39

Pursued, at least, AFTER being commanded not to do so. Lex Apr 2012 #48

He was commanded? nt Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #49

Told, instructed, advised. He pursued anyway. Lex Apr 2012 #52

I believe he was told it was not necessary. Far cry from a command. nt Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #54

Fact remains the 911 record shows he was in pursuit. Lex Apr 2012 #57

Yes, and you are allowed to do that. nt Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #58

I believe your not allowed to be the aggressor and then claim the SYG law as a defense. Life Long Dem Apr 2012 #72

I do not believe that the law considers following an Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #84

Stalking is a form of aggression. Life Long Dem Apr 2012 #96

I am not sure at what threshhold that it becomes stalking. nt Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #98

Could be a repetitive thing Life Long Dem Apr 2012 #102

Not maybe. This isn't in dispute. Marr Apr 2012 #71

following is not chasing. nt Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #81

Yes it is. Marr Apr 2012 #86

If p then q <> If q then p Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #88

So is it your contention that Zimmerman needed to "follow" Martin... bluesbassman Apr 2012 #95

No, merely that following is not always chasing. nt Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #101

Justice can only be served if he gets a fair trial Yo_Mama Apr 2012 #32

We are not the jury Kesiyu Apr 2012 #68

What proof of that "wound" do you have? What proof of Zimmy "was definitely under Trayvon" do you uppityperson Apr 2012 #70

The video enhanced by ABC News Kesiyu Apr 2012 #73

That is not proof of either of your assertions. Try again. uppityperson Apr 2012 #75

I guess the jury will have to decide if that's a wound Kesiyu Apr 2012 #109

If the police don't have any photos of Zimmerman's injuries then he has no evidence of injuries Life Long Dem Apr 2012 #78

How does that video prove Zimmy was under Trayvon? I don't see it, would you point it out for me? uppityperson Apr 2012 #80

I didn't say it proves it Kesiyu Apr 2012 #110

This message was self-deleted by its author BklnDem75 Apr 2012 #112

We just have to believe Zimmerman was tended to by paramedics... BklnDem75 Apr 2012 #74

Yeah... life-threatening damage that didn't even require a butterfly bandage. gkhouston Apr 2012 #76

You say "supposed gash" but it could be a welt Kesiyu Apr 2012 #111

All this is beside the point... cyberswede Apr 2012 #113

So far, everyone that went with the 'wound to the head' story BklnDem75 Apr 2012 #114

Never say "everyone" Kesiyu Apr 2012 #116

Actually if you read your own article, it's talking about the media, BklnDem75 Apr 2012 #117

Never say "never". uppityperson Apr 2012 #125

No Proud Liberal Dem Apr 2012 #83

+1 - Exactly what I wanted to say n/t MrBig Apr 2012 #87

You've been on the fence since the beginning of this Rex Apr 2012 #85

Very true. I have been on the fence. Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #89

I really want to watch the trial. Rex Apr 2012 #105

Is justice a real thing, or is it just something we tell ourselves to make life seem less shity? nt ZombieHorde Apr 2012 #90

Depends on if a person believes in the concept of evil and good imo. Rex Apr 2012 #106

I believe good and evil are emotional reactions to perceived stimuli. ZombieHorde Apr 2012 #118

I don't really know. Rex Apr 2012 #119

Maybe, maybe not. H2O Man Apr 2012 #115

Only if he is found guilty by a jury based on evidence. Better Believe It Apr 2012 #123

Hopefully a fair trial chrisa Apr 2012 #124

He clearly shot and killed an unarmed teenager. alarimer Apr 2012 #126

my opinion is barbtries Apr 2012 #128