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ieoeja

(9,748 posts)
18. North Koreans?
Sat Sep 27, 2014, 08:38 PM
Sep 2014

We only left North Korea because MacArthur ordered it so he could drop the bomb after UN troops left. Fortunately, the Pacific Theater SAC commander refused to drop the bomb because he did not believe MacArthur's claim that he had authority "lying around here somewhere".


As to Vietnam, the Navy/Marines have won wars identical to Vietnam dozens of times during the previous century. The differences are: (1) North Vietnam had the backing of major outside forces, and (2) the US Army (at McNamara's insistence) led the war instead of the Navy/Marines. The USA thought they could win the war. The Navy/Marines won all those previous wars by NOT winning the war. They HELPED an indigent force win the war instead.

People forget: South Vietnamese capitalists fought the French just as hard as North Vietnamese communists. In fact, far more Vietnamese moved north to south than south to north when the country was granted split independance. The north still maintained numerical superiority. But most people do not want to leave their homes. Those committed to leaving their homes overwhelming supported the south over the north.

The early Communist successes resulted from what happened after the Japanese retreated to their barracks. The war was over, and Japanese troops were waiting to be taken home. Communist elements of the Vietnamese resistance took over the government. Non-communist elements took over the businesses. The various Communist factions then started fighting among themselves. Then the British arrived and kicked the Communists out of the government. And handed the Michellin plantations back to their previous French owners.

Neither group of Vietnamese wanted to return to pre-WWII status quo under the French. The Communists decided to meet and work out their differences so they would not repeat the post-Japanese debacle. Ho Chi Minh, heir to the King who hired the French to come in and conquer his enemies in the first place (another thing few people realize) solved the problem in the age-old way such disputes are settled: he killed all his rivals.

As a result, when the Brits handed control back to the French, the Communists were consolidated while the non-Communist native forces were still split. When the combined Vietnamese got the French to call it quits, the North was united while the South began fighting amonst themselves. Diem did come out on top, and was every bit Ho Chi Minh's equal. But he began oppressing the religious majority opening up cracks for Ho to utilize. Diem had to go.

The CIA took care of that.

Maybe, another veteran leader of the anti-French resistance would have taken reins. But nobody was given a chance. Instead, there came the US Army with their "we can win this ourselves" stratgey that married perfectly with McNamara's "we need to prove to the Communists we are willing to fight" strategy. The Navy/Marine "protect the borders; let ARVN handle the interior" strategy that had proven itself in dozens of wars over the previous century was discarded.

And the rest is (disputed) history.

and what if the park them among civilians? cali Sep 2014 #1
When they get on the move to another town, they will be concentrated ladjf Sep 2014 #4
So we sneak some guys in to mark their parking lots with "ISIS ONLY" parking signs Sopkoviak Sep 2014 #7
We've got stationary satellites and UAV's all over the place. ladjf Sep 2014 #8
We could set up a fake "ISIS Valet Parking" sign and just drive off with the trucks when they give KurtNYC Sep 2014 #38
where's my A-10 guy? that's what you need to strafe moving targets on the ground Baclava Sep 2014 #2
I've been suggesting the A10's for weeks. They are perfect for this kind of situation. nt ladjf Sep 2014 #5
I've heard that the air force has several hundred of them in inventory and ladjf Sep 2014 #9
THX - I just read they are sending in A-10's - ANG headed to Iraq Baclava Sep 2014 #13
That's good news. The A10's are old but they could handle this task. ladjf Sep 2014 #15
ONE A-10 would take out a whole column of Toyotas Baclava Sep 2014 #17
Please explain the large event in the second picture? I see ground fires, flares, and a what? freshwest Oct 2014 #51
It's tracer fire from the gatling guns aboard a 130 gunship Baclava Oct 2014 #52
Ah. Checked on this in another thread on aircraft. My BNL was a gunner in the Vietnam War: freshwest Oct 2014 #53
that is one bad ass madokie Sep 2014 #36
Here's my strategy in a nutshell customerserviceguy Sep 2014 #3
You may be right. But, we are in it now. Might as well be efficient about it. nt ladjf Sep 2014 #6
Since we're not going to bomb them into the Stone Age customerserviceguy Sep 2014 #16
North Koreans? ieoeja Sep 2014 #18
Yes, there are all kinds customerserviceguy Sep 2014 #21
We didn't win Vietnam, but I think it's a case where nobody won mythology Sep 2014 #28
You don't think the Viet Cong won? customerserviceguy Sep 2014 #30
The North won a political (not military) victory, but the VC lost pinboy3niner Sep 2014 #32
I suppose that technically, you're right customerserviceguy Sep 2014 #44
It was nearly 60,000, and I knew more than 60 of them pinboy3niner Sep 2014 #45
......damn..... panader0 Sep 2014 #49
The Viet Cong were nearly wiped out during the Tet Offensive. ieoeja Sep 2014 #48
Body counts are not a measure of victory Scootaloo Sep 2014 #33
VN vets have almost a kneejerk reaction to statements that the VC or NVA 'won' the war pinboy3niner Sep 2014 #35
I was thinking they could send over Turbineguy Sep 2014 #10
The Tea Baggers aren't brave enough to take on some genuine ladjf Sep 2014 #14
there's something sickening about your op cali Sep 2014 #11
I offered an honest opinion about a strategy that I thought would help. ladjf Sep 2014 #22
As for precautions when necessary to move... pinboy3niner Sep 2014 #23
So, do you advocate that we just continue blowing up buildings to hurt ISIS? ladjf Sep 2014 #26
You asked a question; I thought I was being helpful by offering an answer pinboy3niner Sep 2014 #29
Cali posted "... odds are they've taken some precautions" ladjf Sep 2014 #37
What "dilemma"? pinboy3niner Sep 2014 #46
Then they find another way or acquire more pickup trucks JonLP24 Sep 2014 #12
The Viet Cong were able to move undetected in the dense jungles. Irag and most of Syria is flat ladjf Sep 2014 #24
I think most of them are up in Northern Iraq JonLP24 Sep 2014 #25
I wasn't referring to your comments as being negative, only a few others. nt ladjf Sep 2014 #27
ISIS, meet Ebola. Ebola, meet ISIS. Problem solved. JaneyVee Sep 2014 #19
I've seen some stupid shit posted on DU, but I think this might be the winner of that competition Scootaloo Sep 2014 #34
Thank you. Mission accomplished. JaneyVee Sep 2014 #42
BWAH! bigwillq Sep 2014 #47
Mine is to grab a steaming, hot cup of get the fuck out before we make TheKentuckian Sep 2014 #20
That as well seems like as good idea as any JonLP24 Sep 2014 #31
See Africa. See dictators propped up. Apparently, it isn't that hard as we ignore such always. TheKentuckian Sep 2014 #43
the vehicle that is preferred in ME ground battles is the Toyota Hilux KurtNYC Sep 2014 #39
It's cavalry warfare except that trucks are used rather than horses. ladjf Sep 2014 #40
I think you have ISIS confused with the border militia. randome Sep 2014 #41
As an update to my original OP, ladjf Sep 2014 #50
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