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In reply to the discussion: Bernie Sanders: Longterm Democratic strategy is “pathetic”{INTERVIEW} [View all]Maedhros
(10,007 posts)122. This is the Democrat's long-term strategy:
http://www.salon.com/2014/03/23/the_hope_diet_would_the_tea_party_fall_for_this/
Recall, in this connection, one of the most annoying invocations of hope ever to cross a politicians lips, John Edwards vice presidential acceptance speech at the 2004 Democratic Convention. His tag line, which he repeated many times: Hope is on the way. Not help, mind you; hope. Edwards had lots of good, practical ideas, but this phrase rubbed me the wrong way. What it seemed to suggest was not that the candidate was actually going to do something for the suffering, hard-working people he described, but that, by the strength of his presence, he was going to give people a chance that someone might do something for them. We give him the vice presidency, he gives us a Powerball ticket.
Hope also sets an extremely low standard for judging Democratic politicians. Hope is, by their definition, something they bring with them, or a place they come from, or a poster they are (literally!) the illustration for; ensuring that this fanciful substance flows our way doesnt require them actually to, you know, enact anything were hoping for. On the contrary, they can do things (like Clintons deregulations or Obamas spying program) that actually harm their constituents, and then tell us, as Barack Obama tweeted after the 2012 election, The definition of hope is you still believe, even when its hard.
This is the opposite of accountability. It means, just keep waiting, and just keep voting. If you think good thoughts long enough, maybe someday youll get that million bucks, or that single-payer healthcare system.
And thats probably why this stuff springs so goddamned eternal. After 30 years of these pseudo DemocratsDemocrats who fundraise like Republicans, Democrats who govern like Republicans, Democrats who basically become Republicans (for example, Zell Miller, the creator of the HOPE Scholarship)its easy enough to understand why elected officials love the concept. Hope means, forget about how you got taken last time. Think positively. Maybe this next Democrat is the one who will finally act the way you think Democrats ought to act. And when he doesnt, hope means you need to stick with him anyway, because . . . well, because hes the one who carries hope in his back pocket and all.
At any rate, hope is a virtue they mainly recommend for you, the Democratic voter; with their funders and bundlers, the relationship is a little more contractual. For them our Democratic leaders undertake to perform certain actions; it is only for the rank and file that they recommend a diet of wishes. If we complain about this state of affairs, they will no doubt tell us that results in this material world arent everything. Theres something philosophical and ennobling about hoping for things. Though he slay me, yet will I hope in him, says Job of the Almighty.
When confronting our earthly leaders, however, the situation ought to be a little different. We shouldnt have to hope. We should expect politicians to deliver.
Hope also sets an extremely low standard for judging Democratic politicians. Hope is, by their definition, something they bring with them, or a place they come from, or a poster they are (literally!) the illustration for; ensuring that this fanciful substance flows our way doesnt require them actually to, you know, enact anything were hoping for. On the contrary, they can do things (like Clintons deregulations or Obamas spying program) that actually harm their constituents, and then tell us, as Barack Obama tweeted after the 2012 election, The definition of hope is you still believe, even when its hard.
This is the opposite of accountability. It means, just keep waiting, and just keep voting. If you think good thoughts long enough, maybe someday youll get that million bucks, or that single-payer healthcare system.
And thats probably why this stuff springs so goddamned eternal. After 30 years of these pseudo DemocratsDemocrats who fundraise like Republicans, Democrats who govern like Republicans, Democrats who basically become Republicans (for example, Zell Miller, the creator of the HOPE Scholarship)its easy enough to understand why elected officials love the concept. Hope means, forget about how you got taken last time. Think positively. Maybe this next Democrat is the one who will finally act the way you think Democrats ought to act. And when he doesnt, hope means you need to stick with him anyway, because . . . well, because hes the one who carries hope in his back pocket and all.
At any rate, hope is a virtue they mainly recommend for you, the Democratic voter; with their funders and bundlers, the relationship is a little more contractual. For them our Democratic leaders undertake to perform certain actions; it is only for the rank and file that they recommend a diet of wishes. If we complain about this state of affairs, they will no doubt tell us that results in this material world arent everything. Theres something philosophical and ennobling about hoping for things. Though he slay me, yet will I hope in him, says Job of the Almighty.
When confronting our earthly leaders, however, the situation ought to be a little different. We shouldnt have to hope. We should expect politicians to deliver.
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They pipe in sublimity's, while talking out of both sides of their mouth .
orpupilofnature57
Sep 2014
#83
The Powers That Be have been very successful in driving a wedge between the poor, disadvantaged
rhett o rick
Sep 2014
#41
Well said. They have managed to divide the poor from the working class to a great extent.
sabrina 1
Sep 2014
#43
The problem Sen Sanders faces is that he needs a strong political party behind him and I am afraid
rhett o rick
Sep 2014
#52
You said a lot there. "They pass the test of what it means to be a liberal by claiming to support
rhett o rick
Sep 2014
#73
Excellent post. We need to point out more and more that what we have today is not
JDPriestly
Sep 2014
#96
Ever since Ronnie Raygun convinced them that The Blacks were taking something
Liberal_Stalwart71
Sep 2014
#129
I don't think the long term Democratic strategy is what Bernie thinks it should be.
djean111
Sep 2014
#3
Oh, I think we just supposed to keep voting for them, no matter what their policies are,
djean111
Sep 2014
#13
I think their long term strategy is to keep going for the Corporate Funding, and pushing
sabrina 1
Sep 2014
#30
Serious answer, match the GOP in fundraising and let demographics take care of the rest...
Hippo_Tron
Sep 2014
#124
Probably not. The thought that what s good for citizens is just traded away for political ends
djean111
Sep 2014
#24
We did that, we still do it. So how, since 2006 when we began to win doing exactly that
sabrina 1
Sep 2014
#31
Again, why does he not use his superior strategy to get people to vote Socialist
treestar
Sep 2014
#11
Come to think of it, either the current Dems in charge, or wanting to be in charge,
djean111
Sep 2014
#14
I find it interesting that the Conservative Wing of the Democratic Party fear
rhett o rick
Sep 2014
#59
Because the current leadership of the Dem Party supports Corporate, Centrist candidates
sabrina 1
Sep 2014
#33
"People are not going to vote for someone for President who is against "the corporations." "
Veilex
Sep 2014
#92
Why doesn't he join the Democratic Party so he can help formulate that strategy?
George II
Sep 2014
#25
Do you really think the Dem Leadership would accept him as their Presidential Candidate
sabrina 1
Sep 2014
#35
Very true. For the last 15 years that I have been paying attention, the Democratic strategy
TheDebbieDee
Sep 2014
#28
You can’t go through your life saying, “Hey, you think we’re bad! You should see them!
RufusTFirefly
Sep 2014
#49
Same as it has been for decades. Playing the "not as bad" card by moving right.
Tierra_y_Libertad
Sep 2014
#63
Longterm Democratic strategy is “pathetic" -- That's a FEATURE, not a bug. Third Way calls the shots
blkmusclmachine
Sep 2014
#109