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mountain grammy

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64. Agree.. I think of that scene every time I hear the word "homeland"

Mon Sep 29, 2014, 10:13 AM

Sep 2014

We have an event called "Constitution Week" in our town. It's supposed to 'celebrate' the signing of the Constitution.. a real Festivus. There are lots of "patriotic' happenings including right wing speakers every night, with the featured speaker being Michael (heck of a job, Brownie) Brown, you know, because he's an expert on the Constitution. This was the 3rd year. Several of us have objected to this fake patriotic display of right wing "values" promoted by these speakers and have been told we just don't love America and to READ THE CONSTITUTION. This year I avoided the whole mess, except for the lovely 20 minute fire works display on the last night.

Every national holiday is an excuse for extreme patriotism here. My husband is a Vietnam vet who sometimes marches in the Memorial Day parade in remembrance of his lost buddies, but too much of the display, in his opinion, is right wing, military brainwashing. Our patriotic town often reminds me of this scene in Cabaret.

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Time for the U.S. to Dump the Word "Homeland" [View all] xchrom Sep 2014 OP

I agree vt_native Sep 2014 #1

Yes, way too many Nazi-ish connotations. k&r, nt appal_jack Sep 2014 #2

Pisses me off liberalmike27 Sep 2014 #43

Agreed I hate the term "boots on the ground" It is design to remove the human out of the action of Heather MC Sep 2014 #48

Women serve too--"military personnel" or "military members" is a better choice, I think. MADem Sep 2014 #103

I agree-too Third Reich to me. Lifelong Protester Sep 2014 #80

totally agree. probably came from dhs. eom ellenfl Sep 2014 #82

It's Hitleresque. nt Snotcicles Sep 2014 #129

"Heimatland" Mira Sep 2014 #13

Yep, my exact thoughts too! Homeland is a very creepy term to use. I never understood why RKP5637 Sep 2014 #61

This message was self-deleted by its author Fla Dem Sep 2014 #90

As soon as I heard the term used, that's the thought that came to mind. Hate the term Homeland. Fla Dem Sep 2014 #91

Bush=Nazi billhicks76 Sep 2014 #92

It sometimes seems that way. silverweb Sep 2014 #109

Bush Sr Puppets billhicks76 Sep 2014 #151

Remember this from Cabaret? Control-Z Sep 2014 #111

Chilling. The awesome power of government propaganda. trof Sep 2014 #118

So chilling. Control-Z Sep 2014 #133

One of the best movies ever!!! And that scene was so chilling when I saw the movie japple Sep 2014 #124

The first time I heard the term "homeland" Control-Z Sep 2014 #141

One of my favorite scenes. bvf Sep 2014 #150

Sounds too much like the word motherland used by Hitler for Germany. . B Calm Sep 2014 #3

Try "fatherland" used for Germany brush Sep 2014 #10

The "Motherland" was/is Russia: WinkyDink Sep 2014 #53

Yes, it reminds me of "Mother Russia." lady lib Sep 2014 #78

I'd like to know who exactly in the shrubministration trusty elf Sep 2014 #4

Actually, it originated during the Clinton Admimistration onenote Sep 2014 #110

It was, sadly, Congressional Democrats who pushed for it. Recursion Sep 2014 #132

This again? Homeland is a fine word. aikoaiko Sep 2014 #5

For Native Peoples, perhaps PeoViejo Sep 2014 #7

For those of us who were BORN here, it's a perfect descriptor. n/t cherokeeprogressive Sep 2014 #25

It is taken from the term "Heimat," which is the German word for homeland. JDPriestly Sep 2014 #107

Doesn't seem so creepy to me... cherokeeprogressive Sep 2014 #121

That is because you are not familiar with WWII history and have not listened to recordings of JDPriestly Sep 2014 #126

That you know my interest in or knowledge of history based on my fear or hatred (or lack thereof)... cherokeeprogressive Sep 2014 #154

The 'native' people migrated here, too. toby jo Sep 2014 #35

Not if one knows its historic connections. WinkyDink Sep 2014 #55

As is Ministry in place of Department. Six of one, half a dozen of the other... LanternWaste Sep 2014 #66

No it's not. WHEN CRABS ROAR Sep 2014 #131

Chris Matthews stonecutter357 Sep 2014 #6

Quit Watching a While Back liberalmike27 Sep 2014 #45

I think it's appropriate. CJCRANE Sep 2014 #8

I dislike it, but it implies American interests are both at home and abroad. HereSince1628 Sep 2014 #9

I agree, kinda clunky and . . . brush Sep 2014 #11

It's totally creepy. I believe there is some underlying deliberate intent, dog whistle maybe? GoneFishin Sep 2014 #12

I completely agree with you. stillwaiting Sep 2014 #14

Exactly. pablo_marmol Sep 2014 #86

Ein Volk, ein Reich, ein Führer RVN VET Sep 2014 #40

I don't like it because it suggests "We are one voice...all working to make our country far better.. BlueJazz Sep 2014 #15

Another quick, cheap term Scalded Nun Sep 2014 #16

We're hearing it because of W, he put it into our minds and lives. Dont call me Shirley Sep 2014 #17

It's much worse than that malaise Sep 2014 #18

+1.... KoKo Sep 2014 #26

+1 leftstreet Sep 2014 #68

... Arugula Latte Sep 2014 #84

! +1 INDEED ! . . . . .n/t annabanana Sep 2014 #117

I can never get that scene from the movie "Cabaret" out of my mind rurallib Sep 2014 #19

Agree.. I think of that scene every time I hear the word "homeland" mountain grammy Sep 2014 #64

Same here jberryhill Sep 2014 #65

'Homeland' does sound a lot like 'Deutschland' fascism. yallerdawg Sep 2014 #79

I hated it from the first time they used it. Wished then that they'd shraby Sep 2014 #20

1000 x agree! Mopar151 Sep 2014 #58

Long since past time bread_and_roses Sep 2014 #21

But we keep the dragnet style spying on every American, right??? nt Romulox Sep 2014 #22

Leaves the United out of United States grahamhgreen Sep 2014 #23

YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! newfie11 Sep 2014 #24

Start tallying up the deaths we have caused since 2001... Moostache Sep 2014 #30

You are right newfie11 Sep 2014 #41

Creepy from the start Android3.14 Sep 2014 #27

It has made me nauseous from the first time I heard the word. PeoViejo Sep 2014 #28

Yes, it's past time, but it's not going to happen. merrily Sep 2014 #29

This is what I was thinking, they now have a whole department with "homeland" logosoco Sep 2014 #36

I don't know why Bushco chose it, but it reminds me of "fatherland." merrily Sep 2014 #42

I don't think Bushco did choose it. ieoeja Sep 2014 #46

Did the 1998 proposed Patriot Act use the term "homeland?" merrily Sep 2014 #59

I don't know. n/t ieoeja Sep 2014 #60

Remember, Buscho got a Homeland Security Act passed, too. merrily Sep 2014 #63

First used in a Clinton Presidential directive in 1998 onenote Sep 2014 #112

Interesting. merrily Sep 2014 #119

'Department of War' got renamed eventually Newsjock Sep 2014 #76

They could rename it Department of National Security (n/t) thesquanderer Sep 2014 #93

That is the Department of Defense. logosoco Sep 2014 #94

The reason the two departments are not redundant... thesquanderer Sep 2014 #95

And the National Guard - not the Homeland Guard. colorado_ufo Sep 2014 #138

K&R for EXPOSURE! ReRe Sep 2014 #31

Just add an r... adirondacker Sep 2014 #32

only one place such a scam can end MisterP Sep 2014 #108

LOL! Never saw that one. Sognefjord Sep 2014 #116

Now THAT would be appropriate Art_from_Ark Sep 2014 #125

I agree 1000%. femmocrat Sep 2014 #33

It is ingrained in me that the "bad guys" use that term. Bonhomme Richard Sep 2014 #34

When "homeland" first was used, I googled it on the web. cheyanne Sep 2014 #37

"Homeland" is a PNAC term. summerschild Sep 2014 #38

Yep, PNAC used the term in their 'Rebuilding America's Defenses' document. Live and Learn Sep 2014 #115

Never bought the term raindaddy Sep 2014 #39

The word makes me crazy proReality Sep 2014 #44

The "homeland" is an abstraction indicating a "new" US where the "old" constitution is dead. whereisjustice Sep 2014 #47

+1 F4lconF16 Sep 2014 #75

+1 -an excellent analysis nationalize the fed Sep 2014 #96

It was a very deliberate choice of term by BushCo. BlueMTexpat Sep 2014 #49

Yes. CrispyQ Sep 2014 #50

My country is the world, and my religion is to do good. Thomas Paine Tierra_y_Libertad Sep 2014 #51

WAAAY past time to dump this Fascist term. WinkyDink Sep 2014 #52

Tweety's right: "the Homeland" has a creepy, fascist tone to it. marble falls Sep 2014 #54

I am absolutely with you on this one!! Peacetrain Sep 2014 #56

Hate it hate it hate it. colorado_ufo Sep 2014 #57

The very first time I heard that term used just after 9/11 gave me the creeps. Conjured up Nazi 2banon Sep 2014 #62

There's a reason the neocons love it. Marr Sep 2014 #67

Nonsense. It's just a word. nt Dreamer Tatum Sep 2014 #69

I hate it with all it's fascist connotations. I hate it right along with Ed Suspicious Sep 2014 #70

Straight Out Of The Third Reich colsohlibgal Sep 2014 #71

I hate the term too but wonder if it was a lame attempt at mimicing the name of BumRushDaShow Sep 2014 #72

Yes please. blackspade Sep 2014 #73

Definitely. salib Sep 2014 #74

I have never approved of this term Gothmog Sep 2014 #77

It's always been creepy as hell. winter is coming Sep 2014 #81

It is... onyourleft Sep 2014 #83

I despise that word and cringe whenever I hear it Duer 157099 Sep 2014 #85

Fatherland, Motherland, Homeland.... Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2014 #87

Kicked and recommended! Enthusiast Sep 2014 #88

I've hated word since the first time I heard it... Volaris Sep 2014 #89

Bush's grandfather, Prescott, is a convicted of treason due to funding the Nazi war machine. lark Sep 2014 #97

It's always been a creepy word. Reminds me of the Nazis. nt valerief Sep 2014 #98

It beats the fatherland jonjensen Sep 2014 #99

I despise the term "homeland." It makes me think of Adolf Hitler. Vinca Sep 2014 #100

I've hated it ever since they started using it right after 9/11. The Velveteen Ocelot Sep 2014 #101

I also wonder about the "Homeguard" in the old Babylon 5 tv show... cascadiance Sep 2014 #102

I never liked it either. Scott6113 Sep 2014 #104

I never liked it either. Scott6113 Sep 2014 #105

Homeland is a translation from the German word: Heimate. JDPriestly Sep 2014 #106

It's also a translation from the Swedish word "hemland". cherokeeprogressive Sep 2014 #155

I doubt that the Bush administration pulled that word out of the bag because they had heard JDPriestly Sep 2014 #157

There's nothing intrinsically wrong War Horse Sep 2014 #113

Does that mean the title of the TV show has to change, too? onenote Sep 2014 #114

Thank you!! I have said this for years!! knitter4democracy Sep 2014 #120

I've loathed it from the very moment it first appeared. Disgusting propaganda word. scarletwoman Sep 2014 #122

All neocons are fascist rat bastards sulphurdunn Sep 2014 #123

I'd rather we simply stop wars of profit for the MIC using TERRORISTSTS as the tool of fear. FlatStanley Sep 2014 #127

Meh...This board sure does have a nose sometimes for hopeless causes. BeyondGeography Sep 2014 #128

In days past, it would have been National Security. colorado_ufo Sep 2014 #136

Except the term was introduced by the Clinton Admin. pre-9/11, noted upthread BeyondGeography Sep 2014 #139

I'd substitute Motherland...because then we could have the best national anthem... DreamGypsy Sep 2014 #130

We would not have the best "national anthem"; we would have - perhaps the best - "motherland anthem. colorado_ufo Sep 2014 #137

Hey, I'd be willing to toss out... DreamGypsy Sep 2014 #140

Wir sprechen Deutsch. blkmusclmachine Sep 2014 #134

I agree Turbineguy Sep 2014 #135

Yes, please. Blue_In_AK Sep 2014 #142

Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Sep 2014 #143

It has fascist connotations. N/t roamer65 Sep 2014 #144

MOTHERLAND TheVisitor Sep 2014 #145

I still think we should call it the *K-GWB* lastlib Sep 2014 #146

hate it. spanone Sep 2014 #147

+1 951-Riverside Sep 2014 #148

This message was self-deleted by its author Kablooie Sep 2014 #149

Time for the US to Dump tiptonic Sep 2014 #152

How did it take him 13 years to question this? mattclearing Sep 2014 #153

At one time Native Americans were immigrants, and some of us are well blended. gordianot Sep 2014 #156

Agreed. It's basically a prerequisite for xenophobia. n/t mattclearing Sep 2014 #158